Re: just out of interest...
In message <20020115230309.H1724(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:00:02PM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote:
I've got /48 block from freenet6 that could be peered directly with instead of bouncing back off the states. [... Only WIX, only one address in use...]
Well, there's no reason we couldn't make a virtual IX. I have a machine in Auckland that could probably be shifted to the APE for the purpose; a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington to Auckland sucks a bit, but not as much as a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington to the US :)
I suspect that we'd have to tunnel it outside of Citylink/APE at least for the moment -- for all the same reasons that v6 is being tunnelled at present most other places. It's also a whole lot easier to get things started that way. And as you say, a Wellington<->Auckland tunnel would be no where near as much of an issue as Wellington<->US.
It occurs to me that the number of people ready and willing to attach routers with v6 code loads directly to the APE or WIX
FWIW, I've got a small set of machines connected to Citylink via an OpenBSD-based router, which should be able to do v6 with a little prodding. I've also got some clients who are connected to Citylink (some of whom are also peering with the Citylink WIX route reflector) who have expressed an interest in playing with v6 at some stage. And I could probably dig up a few more who might be interested (including various SageNZ people who spent a while playing with v6 at a recent workshop). All that said, none of these people (including me) have "public" v6 space, and none of them are providers that could justify the cost of getting even "small ISP" sized chunks of v6 space. Something in the order of a few dozen addresses worth, costing very little indeed (or suballocated out of someone else's larger allocation) might be practical though. And as one of the people who emailed Donald early on and said "I'd definitely consider it", I should answer Dean's plea while I'm posting:
We have thusfar had a few people interested in Wireless, A few in DDos, and a few in Multicast. All in all about 10 people. This does not a conference make.
I guess no one else is interested.
I'm lurking here, and watching with interest the discussion going on, but have been trying to avoid adding too much to the noise, particularly since I'm not working for a provider, and have no provider clients at present. I'm still at a "definitely seriously consider it" stage. If it were held in conjunction with a Uniforum/SageNZ conference then it's virtually certain I'd go. If not, I'd have to look more closely at the costs of getting there/staying there. (No rich employer to send me -- I'm self employed :-) ) In the nznog-sort of area, things of interest (no particular order): - build your own redundant link out of easily obtainable parts (I'm thinking cable modem + ADSL + routing magic here) - routing magic in general (ie, more modern routing protocols, BGP, et al) - v6, and particularly how you can play with it before everyone else adopts it - voice-over-IP, particularly in a do-it-yourself kind of way (I was following the mailing list of Asterisk, a VoIP PBX that's being developed, for a while. It seems very promising, but I haven't had time to do much more about it) - anything that Richard or Simon can be persuaded to talk about :-) - Secure DNS/Bind v9/ways of enabling oportunistic IPSec Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Ewen McNeill wrote:
In message <20020115230309.H1724(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:00:02PM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote:
I've got /48 block from freenet6 that could be peered directly with instead of bouncing back off the states. [... Only WIX, only one address in use...]
Well, there's no reason we couldn't make a virtual IX. I have a machine in Auckland that could probably be shifted to the APE for the purpose; a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington to Auckland sucks a bit, but not as much as a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington to the US :)
I suspect that we'd have to tunnel it outside of Citylink/APE at least for the moment -- for all the same reasons that v6 is being tunnelled at present most other places. It's also a whole lot easier to get things started that way. And as you say, a Wellington<->Auckland tunnel would be no where near as much of an issue as Wellington<->US.
All that said, none of these people (including me) have "public" v6 space, and none of them are providers that could justify the cost of getting even "small ISP" sized chunks of v6 space. Something in the order of a few dozen addresses worth, costing very little indeed (or suballocated out of someone else's larger allocation) might be practical though.
<<snipped>> For those who don't have any public ip address space, www.freenet6.net can provide for free a ::/48 netblock to any instantly (as long as you give a handle and email address) that is publicly routable on the 6bone through a ipv4 tunnel. Of course as mentioned before the 6bone route for that block goes via the states. Like Joe said, there's nothing stopping us setting up tunnels between ourselves for any blocks we've got from somewhere like freenet6 setting a lower routing metric, etc across peering points. There are three places in NZ with a NLA - Canterbury Uni, Clear and Auckland Uni. Maybe if you ask nicely they could delegate an SLA out :) Chris - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 06:27:39PM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Ewen McNeill wrote:
All that said, none of these people (including me) have "public" v6 space, and none of them are providers that could justify the cost of getting even "small ISP" sized chunks of v6 space. Something in the order of a few dozen addresses worth, costing very little indeed (or suballocated out of someone else's larger allocation) might be practical though.
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For those who don't have any public ip address space, www.freenet6.net can provide for free a ::/48 netblock to any instantly (as long as you give a handle and email address) that is publicly routable on the 6bone through a ipv4 tunnel. Of course as mentioned before the 6bone route for that block goes via the states.
I have a handful of /64s allocated to me under the MFN TLA, since thats where I have been getting v6 transit (this to the "real" ipv6 internet, as opposed to the 6bone, if that means anything). There should be little or no cost involved in getting globally- unique address space allocated, assuming nobody here is looking for a TLA. Existing v6 routing architectures impose a model of strict aggregation with no CIDR-abuse -- i.e. your provider gives you addresses, and there is no such thing as provider-independent addressing unless you qualify for a TLA. If you don't have a provider, then the assumption is that you don't want to peer. (since getting transit via v6-in-v4 tunnels is trivially easy, this is unlikely to be an issue).
Like Joe said, there's nothing stopping us setting up tunnels between ourselves for any blocks we've got from somewhere like freenet6 setting a lower routing metric, etc across peering points.
There are three places in NZ with a NLA - Canterbury Uni, Clear and Auckland Uni. Maybe if you ask nicely they could delegate an SLA out :)
CLEAR had a number of NLAs when I was there, since I arranged 6bone transit through a number of other networks (so, one NLA per provider). I seem to remember delegating some numbers to Canterbury. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 12:39:46AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: CLEAR had a number of NLAs when I was there, since I arranged 6bone transit through a number of other networks (so, one NLA per provider). I seem to remember delegating some numbers to Canterbury. AFAIK the CLEAR stuff is dead... I obtained a dedicated 2600 for this purpose when I was there and had it working when I was there, but looking now it seems dead. Perhaps Helgi and/or Matt can resurrect this? --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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