http://ipcacoal.org/ipcacoal/includes/kiwi.htm Firefox/Thunderbird often picks up a lot of this crap. I don't know how it's done. I don't know how you give the browsers the heads up so this crap doesn't impact other users who have less clue than the likes of us. I don't know if ISPs are putting blocks in for this sort of crap in their proxys. I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. I do appreciate that some of this is just noise and business as usual, but I welcome any comment on or off list. As operators or people with some level of clue, I do consider it our role to take some ownership. D -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699
Hi Don. In Thunderbird I right-click the naughty link and select "Report Email Scam" I end up at: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ where I submit the phishing link. I believe that the link eventually (if there are enough votes) gets tagged as a scam and is somehow communicated back to some browsers. There's a bit more info here: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/phishing-protection/ HTH, kind regards... Clark On 20/11/11 10:17, Don Gould wrote:
Firefox/Thunderbird often picks up a lot of this crap. I don't know how it's done.
Hi Don, Kaspersky stops this for us (and I assume anyone else who uses their product): Kaspersky Anti-Virus 6.0 for Windows Workstations Access denied The requested URL could not be retrieved URL: http://ipcacoal.org/ipcacoal/includes/ kiwi.htm Blocked by Anti-Phishing Reason: phishing URL Generated: 21/11/2011 10:10:02 a.m. Kaspersky Anti-Virus 6.0 for Windows Workstations Regards Shannon Walker -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Don Gould Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011 10:17 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] KiwiBank Security Alert http://ipcacoal.org/ipcacoal/includes/kiwi.htm Firefox/Thunderbird often picks up a lot of this crap. I don't know how it's done. I don't know how you give the browsers the heads up so this crap doesn't impact other users who have less clue than the likes of us. I don't know if ISPs are putting blocks in for this sort of crap in their proxys. I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. I do appreciate that some of this is just noise and business as usual, but I welcome any comment on or off list. As operators or people with some level of clue, I do consider it our role to take some ownership. D -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:13, Shannon Walker
Hi Don,
Kaspersky stops this for us (and I assume anyone else who uses their product):
[image: Warning NZNOG.JPG] I'm confused. Hamish. -- http://about.me/hamish.macewan
On 20 November 2011 10:17, Don Gould
I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. Hi,
I'm not a KB customer but I did email them asking to fix their internet banking security KB Phising outnumbers other banks Phisisng 10 or 20 to 1 (on my email). My email to them was along the lines of seeing you don't have some type of two factor authentication on your internet banking you are a low hanging fruit for Phising compared to the other NZ banks, hence the high number of phishing emails. Their response was we try and make things easy for our customers, so we don't have two factor auth and we rely on anti fraud software to pick this up. (can dig up the email if anyone is interested) Also it would help if Gmail bounced emails at the border before accepting if they are a SPF hardfail as most banks have their SPF set up to hardfail so it would be nice if GMail's inbound server never accepted emails that had a hard SPF fail. Does mean having to do SPF at accept time rather than later. Dave
On 21/11/2011, at 3:04 PM, David Robinson wrote:
On 20 November 2011 10:17, Don Gould
wrote: I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. Hi,
I'm not a KB customer but I did email them asking to fix their internet banking security KB Phising outnumbers other banks Phisisng 10 or 20 to 1 (on my email). My email to them was along the lines of seeing you don't have some type of two factor authentication on your internet banking you are a low hanging fruit for Phising compared to the other NZ banks, hence the high number of phishing emails. Their response was we try and make things easy for our customers, so we don't have two factor auth and we rely on anti fraud software to pick this up. (can dig up the email if anyone is interested)
I asked them about their stupid "something you know" and "something else you know, picked from three questions and typed by clicking on buttons" system, apparently "customers don't like the idea of codes". If only there was an opt in to 2-factor. Also kiwibank passwords aren't case sensitive. At least that's better than another major bank, which only takes the first 8 characters and also isn't case sensitive.
Also it would help if Gmail bounced emails at the border before accepting if they are a SPF hardfail as most banks have their SPF set up to hardfail so it would be nice if GMail's inbound server never accepted emails that had a hard SPF fail. Does mean having to do SPF at accept time rather than later.
I would like that. When I used to run my own mail servers receive time SPF and basic spam checking wiped out 90% of my spam. Plus a legit sender would get a bounce and find another way to contact me.
Kiwibank's second-step validation is easily bypassed by changing your
browser agent to something Linuxy and heading to their mobile login page.
You can do everything from the mobile site that you can do from the main
site. Their security is basically for show.
On 21 November 2011 15:28, Phillip Hutchings
On 21/11/2011, at 3:04 PM, David Robinson wrote:
On 20 November 2011 10:17, Don Gould
wrote: I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. Hi,
I'm not a KB customer but I did email them asking to fix their internet banking security KB Phising outnumbers other banks Phisisng 10 or 20 to 1 (on my email). My email to them was along the lines of seeing you don't have some type of two factor authentication on your internet banking you are a low hanging fruit for Phising compared to the other NZ banks, hence the high number of phishing emails. Their response was we try and make things easy for our customers, so we don't have two factor auth and we rely on anti fraud software to pick this up. (can dig up the email if anyone is interested)
I asked them about their stupid "something you know" and "something else you know, picked from three questions and typed by clicking on buttons" system, apparently "customers don't like the idea of codes". If only there was an opt in to 2-factor.
Also kiwibank passwords aren't case sensitive. At least that's better than another major bank, which only takes the first 8 characters and also isn't case sensitive.
Also it would help if Gmail bounced emails at the border before accepting if they are a SPF hardfail as most banks have their SPF set up to hardfail so it would be nice if GMail's inbound server never accepted emails that had a hard SPF fail. Does mean having to do SPF at accept time rather than later.
I would like that. When I used to run my own mail servers receive time SPF and basic spam checking wiped out 90% of my spam. Plus a legit sender would get a bounce and find another way to contact me.
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Clark Mills
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David Robinson
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Don Gould
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Hamish MacEwan
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Justin Cook
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Phillip Hutchings
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Shannon Walker