March 1999 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Warwick Glendenning 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

no really for Joe it is B(eer)GP that its the best routing protocol to use it is better than OWMF (open widest mouth first) -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 29 March 1999 10:52 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply >>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral >exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and >helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. Sounds reasonable. How about each provider draws up a list of expectations / requirements and post them to this list? That way we can see what things everybody thinks important, and thus determine what we *must* get right for everybody to get onboard. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

NZNOG People, Roughly how many of you are planning to be at Uniforum NZ next month? Yes, I'm going. I await with interest Roger de Salis' attempt to sell me a VoIP network. But I'm also interested in knowing whether I should be trying to drag along one or more of the IPNet operational staff, and yes, whether organising a BOF of any kind would be worthwhile. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

Hi. > We recently abandoned this arrangement due to lack of interest from > everyone else, this was very disappointing. I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. -Craig -- Craig Anderson Internet ProLink NZ Limited --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

>Brendan Black - Network Engineer/Gravity Enforcement Officer, Telecom Internet >Services What does a Gravity Enforcement Officer do in a Telco ? >I know we are mentioned in Joe's list, and I can confirm that we are interested 2DAY is also interested regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Robert Gray 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

> Does anyone on the list not owe Joe a beer? :) I believe I may have that honour Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

Hi, Much has been bandied around in conversation over the past few months regarding the possibility of establishing a neutral peering point in Auckland. Some points/ideas which have been discussed are: + Location - a recurring idea seems to be the Sky Tower, which is well served by CLEAR and Telecom fibre, and is a good high point for exchange participants who want to haul bits back to their Auckland PoP using unlicenced spread-spectrum radio/DMR. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has approached Sky City about this (yet); + Infrastructure - experiences elsewhere show that a L2 exchange is preferable over a L3 one -- i.e. the exchange infrastructure should be no more than a (switched) layer-2 fabric over which exchange participants can negotiate their own IP-layer arrangements; + Legal/financial - Craig Holmes of Telstra has experience in building (legal) frameworks for international under-sea cable landing, and has confidence that something similar can be set up for internet peering in Auckland; + Sponsorship - Various vendors have expressed an interest in contributing equipment to form the layer-2 exchange fabric; + Agreements - in general, bilateral peering arrangements between individual exchange participants are far more flexible (and far easier to manage/find agreement on) than multilateral exchange-wide peering policies; + Route exchange - by BGP4 through individual bilateral peering arrangements (no route server). Publication of policy is up to individual participants, although a central repository (e.g. in the RADB) might make automated filter generation simpler; + IP Addressing - Bill Manning of ISI has address space available to number exchanges which meet his criteria; this address space would not lie within supernet advertisements of any particular exchange participant, which makes it easy for the route to the exchange network to not be advertised outside NZ; + Operational policy and support - initially at least, best effort, no uptime guarantees; nobody should _depend_ on the exchange fabric for business-critical traffic, but should consider the fact that it works a bonus -- this is all in the interests of getting something working quickly without getting bogged down in service level agreements. This _is_ the Internet, after all :) + Communication - through the NZNOG list, unless people object (in which case we can start another list, somewhere else if necessary); + Measurement - none. If participants are interested in traffic statistics across the exchange, they can sort something out privately; + Privacy - "no snooping the ether". "No messing with other peoples' gear". Note that at this stage no decisions have been made, and these are all just ideas. If there is sufficient support, there would seem to be nothing on this list that couldn't be sorted out in the next few months. This message is a request for involvement for any networking organisation who has interest in participating in an exchange of public IP traffic in Auckland. Organisations which have expressed an interest in Auckland peering (in one form or another, at some point in time, not authoritative, in no particular order, no flames please ;) include: CLEAR ICONZ NetGate Xtra IBM NZ Iprolink Telstra NZ Compass Voyager NetLink KC I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Robert Gray 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

Joe Abley wrote: > I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Love to know more. (That is of course a general statement, not just in regard to this specific issue). I will however continue to sit. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Strange routing loop to ftp.scott.aq
by Joe Abley 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi, Route to ftp.scott.aq has been looping between Telecom and Telstra NZ, although a trace now shows packets disappearing into ComNet: Trace from noc.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.28): Traceroute to ftp.scott.aq (161.65.109.201), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ba1-atm1-0-1.Auckland.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.1) 0.816 ms 0.636 ms 0.769 ms 2 bi1-atm0-0-2 (203.97.2.241) 2.553 ms 1.461 ms 1.489 ms 3 Serial5-1.nzsx2.Auckland.telstra.net (203.98.4.249) 5.743 ms 4.833 ms 4.869 ms 4 Serial1.nzix.Hamilton.telstra.net (203.98.4.142) 9.774 ms 9.517 ms 9.588 ms 5 comnet.nzix.waikato.ac.nz (140.200.128.57) 12.287 ms 15.640 ms 14.452 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * We now know a route for 161.65.0.0/16 via BGP from Telstra NZ (4763) and via OSPF from 140.200.128.57 (ComNet); we were previously learning a route from Telecom for this via OSPF in Hamilton. Anybody know what is going on? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Cisco 2511
by Tony Wicks 16 Mar '99

16 Mar '99

I have several ( and 33k6 rack modems ) that we no longer have in production, send me an email, and we can work out a deal. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tuesday, 16 March 1999 18:39 Subject: Cisco 2511 >I'm trying to find two Cisco 2511s to help people in the island of Nuie >get a local ISP business bootstrapped. If anyone has a 2511 that they'd >be willing to sell at a reasonable price then I'd like to hear. > >Thanks, >andy >-- >Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 >Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand >-- >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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