August 2005 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: [nznog] Colo in wellington/AKL
by Joshua Brady 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

To quickly answer all the replies I have gotten about summarizing the replies. I'll post general colo costs in the same fashion paul vixie has done his personal colo registry on www.vix.com I will say right off the top, my requirements are much much more than those of someone who is colocating 1 - 2 servers. Also, I need a contact number for iconz, as the 0800 freefone doesn't work internationally, reply off list would be great. And just to stay on topic . beer

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RE: [nznog] Trade Me phishing scam??
by James Butler 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Ok, Originating IP: 66.206.6.48.. Must remember to check what I'm mailing :P James Butler

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Colo in wellington/AKL
by Joshua Brady 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

This is probably extremely off topic, but if people could shoot me back a list of colo providers (Carrier neutral prefered) with a general run down on the service, rankings and all. Auckland could do the same. In repayment to the list, the next round is on me. I am flying into Auckland and driving to Wellington in October. -Josh

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RE: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Gordon Smith 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

> > Is > > this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? > > Yup, we used to peer with GG, Xtra over APE but yea you know > the rest of the story. > > > Simon Allard > ihug Limited > Don't Ihug peer with Orcon at the APE anyway? Looking at it from our side, it would appear to be an Ihug internal routing issue. Currently, a trace to ihug from a UBS test circuit shows a route loop between 203.109.156.140,148,147,155 Too much beer maybe?? :-)

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RE: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Simon Allard 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

That's very odd and no, not normal AFAIK. We don't buy domestic transit from Global Gateway (don't want to pay Telecom anymore money than we have to), but we do buy domestic transit from TelstraClear. GG should be preferring/learning ihug routes from TelstraClear. I will try and sort it out for you. Hopefully it's a mistake and not some new unknown GG policy. > Is > this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? Yup, we used to peer with GG, Xtra over APE but yea you know the rest of the story. Simon Allard ihug Limited P +64 9 962 9827 M +64 21 456 412 E simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 5:44 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia? > > Hi all. > > For the last few weeks, at least three Ihug 256K UBS accounts in > Invercargill > have been suffering from the following problem. Their round trip times to > Global Gateway customers (ie. DSL customers) and been running at around > 350ms. Traceroutes indicate that data is traversing via australia (which > might account for the latency - but even that still seems to high). > > A response from Ihug Business indicated that this was normal and advised > that > they would talk to Telstra. > > Now these Ihug customers do not have any relationship with either Telstra > or > Telecom - and I accept that this could be some screwed up config with > either > party. However, I can't accept this is normal. Talking to your neighbour > via > DSL shouldn't go via Australia or at least shouldn't take 350ms. > > All other traffic goes correctly (ie. Ihug UBS to pop3.xtra.co.nz etc...) > it > is only GG end users that seem to be screwed up. > > My question for NZNOGers. Can anyone confirm that this is normal? Is GG > not > peering at all with Ihug UBS. Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? > Is > this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? > > This is Ihug UBS to Orcon (Telecom) DSL > 2 203-109-156-252.ihug.net (203.109.156.252) 93.694 ms > 3 Vl117-tig-nz-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.209) 88.690 ms > 4 203-109-156-138.ihug.net (203.109.156.138) 83.481 ms > 5 g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161) 87.422 ms > 6 * * * > 7 210.55.202.49 (210.55.202.49) 299.341 ms > 8 car17-dom.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.154) 336.779 ms > 9 * * * > 10 port-x-x-x-x.fastadsl.net.nz (x.x.x.x) [open] 339.033 ms > > This is the reverse Orcon DSL - Ihug UBS > 2 210-55-67-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz (210.55.67.32) 56.362 ms > 3 192.168.253.1 (192.168.253.1) 62.454 ms > 4 p-c1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.237) 73.997 ms > 5 210.55.202.97 (210.55.202.97) 103.640 ms > p1-1.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 77.407 ms > 7 210.55.202.67 (210.55.202.67) 68.395 ms > 8 ATM9-0-0-50.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 341.822 ms > 9 AsiaNetcom.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.18.2) 289.700 ms > 10 po0-2.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.90) 376.026 ms > 11 ip-202-147-45-74.asianetcom.net (202.147.45.74) 337.066 ms > 12 203-109-156-140.ihug.net (203.109.156.140) 360.544 ms > 13 203-109-156-213.ihug.net (203.109.156.213) 340.953 ms > 14 203-173-161-x.bliink.ihug.co.nz (203.173.161.x) 471.486 ms > > Kind Regards, > > jon > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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OT, but a beer in it!
by Russell Sharpe 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Does anyone have any experience with... Nomadix Hotspot Gateway... to be used for billing Fortigate 60... Antivirus/Firewall I have an electrician(!) who has asked me to install these + easy stuff, but I can only find sales PDF's! No diagramms or config details supplied... go figure! Please email me off line Cheers and a beer! Russell Sharpe rsharpe(a)paradise.net.nz Ph +64 4 9717665, +64 21 742 773 Fax +64 4 9717635, +64 21 342 776

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Re: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Webmaster 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

>>> Jon Dean <jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz> 08/24/05 5:44 PM >>> > Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? Hops are good for beer but not for the internet.

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Microsoft Opposes NZ Anti-Spam Bill/Who are these NZ Spammers..
by Craig Whitmore 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html The Article Quotes: "Mr Hamlin says his understanding is that there are just three big spammers operating in New Zealand, responsible for producing about 5 per cent of the spam that arrives in New Zealanders' inboxes." The question is.. who are these NZ spammers? Where does he get this information from? Thanks Craig

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Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Jon Dean 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi all. For the last few weeks, at least three Ihug 256K UBS accounts in Invercargill have been suffering from the following problem. Their round trip times to Global Gateway customers (ie. DSL customers) and been running at around 350ms. Traceroutes indicate that data is traversing via australia (which might account for the latency - but even that still seems to high). A response from Ihug Business indicated that this was normal and advised that they would talk to Telstra. Now these Ihug customers do not have any relationship with either Telstra or Telecom - and I accept that this could be some screwed up config with either party. However, I can't accept this is normal. Talking to your neighbour via DSL shouldn't go via Australia or at least shouldn't take 350ms. All other traffic goes correctly (ie. Ihug UBS to pop3.xtra.co.nz etc...) it is only GG end users that seem to be screwed up. My question for NZNOGers. Can anyone confirm that this is normal? Is GG not peering at all with Ihug UBS. Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? Is this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? This is Ihug UBS to Orcon (Telecom) DSL 2 203-109-156-252.ihug.net (203.109.156.252) 93.694 ms 3 Vl117-tig-nz-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.209) 88.690 ms 4 203-109-156-138.ihug.net (203.109.156.138) 83.481 ms 5 g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161) 87.422 ms 6 * * * 7 210.55.202.49 (210.55.202.49) 299.341 ms 8 car17-dom.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.154) 336.779 ms 9 * * * 10 port-x-x-x-x.fastadsl.net.nz (x.x.x.x) [open] 339.033 ms This is the reverse Orcon DSL - Ihug UBS 2 210-55-67-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz (210.55.67.32) 56.362 ms 3 192.168.253.1 (192.168.253.1) 62.454 ms 4 p-c1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.237) 73.997 ms 5 210.55.202.97 (210.55.202.97) 103.640 ms p1-1.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 77.407 ms 7 210.55.202.67 (210.55.202.67) 68.395 ms 8 ATM9-0-0-50.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 341.822 ms 9 AsiaNetcom.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.18.2) 289.700 ms 10 po0-2.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.90) 376.026 ms 11 ip-202-147-45-74.asianetcom.net (202.147.45.74) 337.066 ms 12 203-109-156-140.ihug.net (203.109.156.140) 360.544 ms 13 203-109-156-213.ihug.net (203.109.156.213) 340.953 ms 14 203-173-161-x.bliink.ihug.co.nz (203.173.161.x) 471.486 ms Kind Regards, jon

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OT - Network stuff ...
by Tim John 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi all, Sorry for the off topic post, but I've just been through the garage and made a list of network stuff that I brought over from the UK with me a couple of years ago. I'm about to put some/all of it on TradeMe, but wondered if anyone on this list would like first refusal. Some items include brand new analogue modems, new ISDN modems, thin client terminals etc. If anyone is interest, please contact me off list for more information. Cheers, Tim

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