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Re: [nznog] 922Mhz SRD Link
by Brislen, Paul, VF-NZ 01 May '09

01 May '09

Hi all. We can't make any public statement about this interference until after the court hearing, early next week, but after that I'm happy to get one of the network guys to come in and chat about it with you if a: that would help, b: that's of interest and c: they're not already here under their own steam. Cheers Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld from Vodafone ________________________________ From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Sat May 02 08:55:23 2009 Subject: Re: [nznog] 922Mhz SRD Link Thanks Ian, Yes I believe that this is likely to be the same problem and the issue is not just causing problems for Vodafone but also smaller operators. The fact that MED have confirmed that they are operating within the allowable channels is of some concern as this would mean there is little that can be done however using equipment legal or not that can squash competition is surely an anticompetitive act. That aside I have completed another can of the area and was wrong on the power levels received from a 3rd cell phone operator, it was just over 2V/m and I’m pretty sure a signal this strong is really not healthy. This was obtained from 150/200m away. Not trying to get up in anyone’s face here but I wonder if in fact Telecom are being blamed for something that is being caused by other vendors networks as well. Have MED created some of the issues by slicing the available channels too fine as was the case with out tests of the WiMAX gear recently. And If MED has and is allowing the deployment of equipment that is making the public spectrum un-usable and they can not force the vendors to clean up their act then maybe they need to look at opening up some more USABLE public spectrum rather than just putting it up for auction where again only the big players have the funds available to purchase these ranges (and associated equipment). Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Ian Batterbee [mailto:ibatterb(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:01 PM To: andrew(a)borg.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] 922Mhz SRD Link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10569… relevant maybe ? andrew(a)borg.co.nz wrote, On Fri 01/05/2009 19:06: Is there any one in the Manukau region using a 900Mhz SRD link? Over the last month or so we have seen a huge amount of interference on the 900Mhz spectrum that has resulted in problematic links. Although we have not been able to isolate the reason for the interference I would be interested in working with any other user in the area who may be having issues. So far we have found that the recent deployment of telecoms new system based on wideband CDMA has increased the power flux density and as a result it appears that this may be part of the problem. Opposite our site is another carrier operating on 940Mhz and from a distance of 150+m we are picking up their signal at -7db and at a power level of around .8mv/m2 so there could be some inter modulation going on there. I would be keen on comparing notes with anyone else on this. Regards Andrew ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless otherwise stated, any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Vodafone New Zealand Limited.

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Re: [nznog] 922Mhz SRD Link
by andrew＠borg.co.nz 01 May '09

01 May '09

Thanks Ian, Yes I believe that this is likely to be the same problem and the issue is not just causing problems for Vodafone but also smaller operators. The fact that MED have confirmed that they are operating within the allowable channels is of some concern as this would mean there is little that can be done however using equipment legal or not that can squash competition is surely an anticompetitive act. That aside I have completed another can of the area and was wrong on the power levels received from a 3rd cell phone operator, it was just over 2V/m and I'm pretty sure a signal this strong is really not healthy. This was obtained from 150/200m away. Not trying to get up in anyone's face here but I wonder if in fact Telecom are being blamed for something that is being caused by other vendors networks as well. Have MED created some of the issues by slicing the available channels too fine as was the case with out tests of the WiMAX gear recently. And If MED has and is allowing the deployment of equipment that is making the public spectrum un-usable and they can not force the vendors to clean up their act then maybe they need to look at opening up some more USABLE public spectrum rather than just putting it up for auction where again only the big players have the funds available to purchase these ranges (and associated equipment). Regards Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Ian Batterbee [mailto:ibatterb(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:01 PM To: andrew(a)borg.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] 922Mhz SRD Link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5 <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=1 0569875> &objectid=10569875 relevant maybe ? andrew(a)borg.co.nz wrote, On Fri 01/05/2009 19:06: Is there any one in the Manukau region using a 900Mhz SRD link? Over the last month or so we have seen a huge amount of interference on the 900Mhz spectrum that has resulted in problematic links. Although we have not been able to isolate the reason for the interference I would be interested in working with any other user in the area who may be having issues. So far we have found that the recent deployment of telecoms new system based on wideband CDMA has increased the power flux density and as a result it appears that this may be part of the problem. Opposite our site is another carrier operating on 940Mhz and from a distance of 150+m we are picking up their signal at -7db and at a power level of around .8mv/m2 so there could be some inter modulation going on there. I would be keen on comparing notes with anyone else on this. Regards Andrew _____ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news!
by Yun Huang Yong 01 May '09

01 May '09

I think this is the Onion piece: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5h8np At 09:23 AM 1/05/2009, Ian Batterbee wrote: >That was so bad I thought I was reading an article from the onion! > >Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2. -- (__) Share what you know. Yun Huang Yong `\------(oo) Learn what you don't. gumby(a)mooh.org || (__) --' goosmurf(a)yahoo.com \|/ ||w--|| \|/ --

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922Mhz SRD Link
by andrew＠borg.co.nz 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

Is there any one in the Manukau region using a 900Mhz SRD link? Over the last month or so we have seen a huge amount of interference on the 900Mhz spectrum that has resulted in problematic links. Although we have not been able to isolate the reason for the interference I would be interested in working with any other user in the area who may be having issues. So far we have found that the recent deployment of telecoms new system based on wideband CDMA has increased the power flux density and as a result it appears that this may be part of the problem. Opposite our site is another carrier operating on 940Mhz and from a distance of 150+m we are picking up their signal at -7db and at a power level of around .8mv/m2 so there could be some inter modulation going on there. I would be keen on comparing notes with anyone else on this. Regards Andrew

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Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news!
by Scott Weeks 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

> >So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and > >recommend the future of the internet? Being from Hawaii no, I wouldn't... ;-) Try something like these instead. http://www.alohashirtshop.com/docs/view_image.php?id=11361&width=608 http://www.hawaiian-shirt.net/paradise_found/pf08/bamboo_embroidery_bk_pf.j… ---------- bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: -------------- From: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com pragmatically, WTF are folks going to do when you can't get more IPv4 space from APNIC? Pick the best answer(s): ) IPv6 ) NATs all the way down ) hijack space from others ) find a new line of work as a beer-bottle washer -------------------------------------------------------------- Ipv6 and whatever the new name for NAT-PT is. Then LISP? http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/lisp scott ------------------- ------------------- -------------------

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Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news!
by Scott Weeks 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

At 09:23 AM 1/05/2009, Ian Batterbee wrote: >That was so bad I thought I was reading an article from the onion! > >Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2. -------- gumby_lists(a)mooh.org wrote: -------- From: Yun Huang Yong <gumby_lists(a)mooh.org> I think this is the Onion piece: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5h8np ------------------------------------------------- That's just about the silliest thing I have seen! "The internet has been up for 5000 days, about 13 years, and hasn't broken down once." According to that the internet was 'started' in 1996! (See RFC 1 by Steve Crocker April 1969) I wonder what the hell I was on in 1987! Surely they wouldn't want to know about the introduction section of RFC 1254: A large number of widely dispersed Internet sites experienced simultaneous slowdown or cessation of networking services for prolonged periods... "youtube transmits more data than the internet." Wow, I didn't know youtube was out of band... ;-) I think the pink aloha shirt was affecting the brain of "sunrise gadget guy". That thing is worse that the old Magnum PI shirts! http://www.mokuman.com/images/magnumpi-shirt_header534.jpg scott ------------------- -------------------- --------------------

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Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news!
by Stu Fleming 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

Isn't a "brown-out" what an "ohnosecond" used to be called, being the approximate period of time between making a live config change and discovering the device non-responsive as a result? Brown-out being more expressive as it also describes the effect on the operator succinctly.

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The Internet is in the news!
by Nathan Ward 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article61… "Internet users face regular "brownouts" that will freeze their computers as capacity runs out in cyberspace, according to research to be published later this year." Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2. That beer Jamie made me try last night was pretty good. I forget what it was called. Phew. -- Nathan Ward

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180/8 and 183/8 allocated to APNIC
by Leo Vegoda 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of two /8 IPv4 blocks to APNIC in April 2009: 180/8 and 183/8. You can find the IANA IPv4 registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.txt Please update your filters as appropriate. Regards, Leo Vegoda Number Resources Manager, IANA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 9.10.0.500 wj8DBQFJ+iBAvBLymJnAzRwRAq59AKDYIE9QGQAAJQDuqfQ5Qqo5YiZwWwCg1RNg wwnJkpL3STZw9fDOM7zUToM= =PtJl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

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