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APNIC 26 Meeting Report
by Sunny 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

_______________________________________________________________________ APNIC 26 Meeting Report _______________________________________________________________________ 25-29 August 2008 Christchurch, New Zealand Thank you to everyone who attended or contributed to APNIC 26. APNIC 26 attendance statistics ------------------------------ Total number attending: 237 Economies represented: 33 APNIC member organisations represented: 70 APNIC 26 also staged two remote participation events where delegates in Hanoi and Manila could take part in the Policy SIG and APNIC Member Meeting via video conference. Number of Hanoi delegates: 25 Number of Manila delegates: 20 To read, watch or listen to archives from the meeting, go to: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/26/ Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council ------------------------------------------------- During the APNIC Member Meeting (AMM) in Christchurch on Friday, 29 August 2008, an election was held for a regional representative to the Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council (NC). Congratulations to the successful candidate Naresh Ajwani: Naresh Ajwani is President of Sify Technologies Limited, one of the pioneering leaders in the provision of eCommerce and Internet services in India. He is an Executive Council Member with ISPAI (Internet Service Providers Association of India) and brings over 25 years of core operational experience to this position. Election details are available at: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/26/election/ Meeting outcomes ---------------- Policy SIG Nine policy proposals were discussed in the Policy SIG. The following proposals reached consensus and were subsequently approved at the APNIC Member Meeting. These proposals are now subject to a 'last call' for comments: * prop-055: Global policy for the allocation of the remaining IPv4 address space * prop-061: Autonomous System Numbers (ASN) for documentation purposes * prop-062: Use of final /8 * prop-064: Change to assignment policy for AS numbers * prop-065: Format for delegation and recording of 4-byte AS numbers * prop-066: Ensuring efficient use of historical IPv4 resources The following proposal will be returned to the Policy SIG mailing list for further discussion: * prop-063: Reducing timeframe of IPv4 allocations from twelve to six months The following proposal will be returned to its author and mailing list for continued discussion: * prop-050: IPv4 resource transfers The following proposal will be revised by its author: * prop-060: Change in the criteria for the recognition of NIRs in the APNIC region APNIC Community Request for ICANN to Sign DNS Root The APNIC community considered ICANN's initiatives toward operational readiness for DNSSEC signing and informed ICANN that the Asia Pacific community supports efforts to sign the root of the DNS and called on ICANN to resolve these issues and to sign the root of the DNS as soon as is realistically possible. MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) APNIC signed two MoUs (Memorandum of Understanding). One with AusNOG, the other with NZNOG. These MoUs strengthened the relationship between the three organizations as they agreed to collectively work together, share information, and facilitate the development of the Internet in Australia and New Zealand. Meeting sponsors ---------------- APNIC offers its deepest thanks to the sponsors of APNIC 26, whose invaluable contributions allowed APNIC to offer a meeting program of a very high standard: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/26/sponsors/ Upcoming APNIC meetings ----------------------- APNIC 27 18-27 February 2009, Manila, Philippines APNIC 28 24-28 August 2009, Beijing, China APNIC 29 24 February - 5 March 2010, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Regards Sunny ____________________________________________________________________ Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi email: sunny(a)apnic.net External Relations Manager, APNIC sip: sunny(a)voip.apnic.net http://www.apnic.net ph/fx: +61 7 3858 3100/99

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updated .nz graphs / stats
by Blair Harrison 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

Hi Folks, I've made a new set of graphs from the .nz statistics. xls and html versions are available at : http://jedi.school.nz/nzdg.html There seems to be an issue with viewing the html version in some versions of Firefox, so please try another browser or use the .xls if you can't open the html version. As usual, any feedback appreciated. Cheers, Blair

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NZNOG '09 Conference Announcement
by Dean Pemberton 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Well it's that time of year again. Time to announce the next NZNOG conference The NZNOG Conference Committee is pleased to announce that FX Networks will be hosting NZNOG'09 in Auckland from: Wednesday 28th to Friday 30th January 2009. Venue details are being finalised and will be sent to the list once complete. So put these dates in your calenders (.ics attached to make it easier) and keep an eye out for more details and a Call for Papers in the near future. See you all there. Dean

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NZNOG - APNIC MoU
by Jonny Martin 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

Hi All, APNIC have approached a number of the NZNOG'09 organising committee and mailing list maintainers about signing a Memorandum of Understanding to solidify the valuable support they provide the NZNOG community each year. Those of you who have attended NZNOG conferences will know that this takes the form of sponsorship, staff time and expertise, and general participation on this mailing list. The MoU is nothing more than an acknowledgement that collectively we should continue to work together, share information, and facilitate training. Simon Blake and myself, on behalf of the mailing list maintainers and NZNOG conference organising committees, will be signing this on Friday during the APNIC26 Annual Members Meeting. This has been discussed extensively by these two groups and people are comfortable with this. Dates and location for NZNOG'09 will also be announced at this time. I won't spam the list with the complete document - ping me if you would like to see a copy, or discuss. We'll pop a copy of the MoU up on the NZNOG website once the deed is done. Cheers, Jonny.

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Remote participation for APNIC 26
by Elly Tawhai 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

Hi, You may be aware that APNIC 26 has started. You can participate remotely in discussions, ask the presenter questions, and voice your opinion. For more information on webcast, podcast, Jabber chat, and live transcript services please see: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/26/remote/ Some of the exciting topics being covered include: * IPv4 in 2015 * ICANN Consultation * Internet governance hui * IPv6: Does it work for you? * Many policy proposals in policy SIG For more information about the agenda please see: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/26/program/ Kind regards, Elly APNIC

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Charging for IPv6
by Philip D'Ath 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

Initially those transit providers and ISPs that do offer IPv6 transit will be able to charge for this service as it will be a premium value add. However I can't see this business model being able to last for more than 6 years (through to 2012), and possibly only three years. After this point in time I expect IPv6 deployment will be standard, and will no longer be a premium service offering - it will be the standard offering, like IPv4 is today. Once IPv4 has become exhausted and you can't actually give a customer an IPv4 address then you definitely wont be able to charge more for IPv6 - otherwise the customer will walk. So do providers start implementing slowly now, and recoup some of their investment while they can, or wait till they are forced to do the upgrades and are not able to recoup any of their "new" investment. Rhetorical question.

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China Netcom gets a case DNS cache poisoning
by Juha Saarinen 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/96ECA39DC47E6603CC2574AC006C4506 Thought the article might be of interest. -- Juha www.techsploder.com

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NZRR Route Registry Update
by NZRR Database Notifications 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that one or more objects in which you are designated for notification have been modified in the NZRR routing registry database. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. Diagnostic output: ------------------------------------------------------------ --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9245 descr: advertised to AS9439 by COMPASS NZ - AS9245 members: 203.152.96.0/19^19-29, 203.96.0.0/20^20-29, 203.96.32.0/20^20-29, 117.104.176.0/21^21-29, 120.136.0.0/21^21-29, 123.108.144.0/21^21-29, 116.90.128.0/23^23-29, 116.90.132.0/23^23-29, 202.174.6.0/23^23-29, 116.90.131.0/24^24-29, 202.36.157.0/24^24-29, 202.37.112.0/24^24-29, 202.37.234.0/24^24-29, 203.30.174.0/24^24-29, 203.171.4.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: davey.goode(a)compass.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20080702 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9245 descr: advertised to AS9439 by Compass Communications - AS9245 members: 203.152.96.0/19^19-29, 203.96.0.0/20^20-29, 203.96.32.0/20^20-29, 117.104.176.0/21^21-29, 120.136.0.0/21^21-29, 123.108.144.0/21^21-29, 116.90.128.0/23^23-29, 116.90.132.0/23^23-29, 202.6.116.0/23^23-29, 202.174.6.0/23^23-29, 116.90.131.0/24^24-29, 202.36.157.0/24^24-29, 202.37.112.0/24^24-29, 202.37.234.0/24^24-29, 203.30.174.0/24^24-29, 203.171.4.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: davey.goode(a)compass.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20080821 source: NZRR ------------------------------------------------------------

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History of the Internet in New Zealand
by Roger Williams 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

In July last year InternetNZ advised this list: >InternetNZ has commissioned Keith Newman to write a >history of the Internet in New Zealand. The book will >go to the publishers later this year. I happened to wonder what had happened with this. Finding my way to http://www.internetnz.net.nz/projects/history/ I read ... "5pm, 21 August - Book launch at the National Library" That's tomorrow evening. -- Roger Williams, GNS Science, New Zealand : www.gns.cri.nz : xyzzy

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uTorrent, IPv6
by Nathan Ward 18 Aug '08

18 Aug '08

(Also posted to NANOG. Apologies if you're sensitive about that sort of thing.) Sit up and pay attention, even if you don't now run IPv6, or even if you don't ever intend to run IPv6. Your off-net bandwidth is going to increase, unless you put some relays in. As a friend of mine just said to me: "Welcome to your v6-enabled transit network, whether you like it or not ;-)". uTorrent 1.8 is out, as of Aug 9. uTorrent actively enables IPv6 on XP SP2 and Vista machines in the install process (by default, it can be turned off). IPv6 is turned on, on lots of PCs. uTorrent does DHT, so that uTorrent users will talk to eachother to exchange peers - IPv6 does not require tracker support. uTorrent (as far as I understand) knows how to set IPV6_PROTECTION_LEVEL appropriately on sockets, so that Teredo is actually used. What does this mean? It means that many uTorrent end users will have Teredo addresses, and many will have 6to4 addresses. As we roll out IPv6 globally, more and more uTorrent users will have non-tunnelled IPv6 addresses. uTorrent users move **LOTS** of data. This means relay load. There are very few 6to4 relays around the world. There are fewer Teredo relays. If you run a network today and do not have 6to4 and Teredo relays, traffic between a 6to4 end user and a Teredo end user will go off-net. That costs you money. So, if you run a network today, deploy 6to4 and Teredo relays, regardless of whether you have customer facing IPv6 or not. If you serve IPv6 content, you are already running Teredo and 6to4 relays, so that Windows Vista users get near to IPv4-speed access to your IPv6 content, right? Right... Azureus does IPv6 now, but does not turn on IPv6, and does not set the IPV6_PROTECTION_LEVEL (as far as I understand), so Teredo is not used. Windows uses 6to4 if you have a non-RFC1918 address, and it uses Teredo if you do not (typically, this means you are behind NAT). With the huge amount of end users behind NAT, this means that uTorrent will have a much wider effect than Azureus has had. Running a relay *does not* mean that people outside your network can use it. - Who uses your 6to4 relay is controlled by how far you advertise the well known IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. - Your Teredo relay is used only by Teredo clients trying to get to your non-Teredo connected users (ie your 6to4 or natively connected users). 6to4 relays can be Cisco boxes, Juniper NetScreen, FreeBSD, Linux, etc. OpenBSD does not have 6to4 support. Teredo relays can be Windows boxes, or Linux/FreeBSD/etc. boxes running `Miredo'. I have pre-built FreeBSD images that run both 6to4 and Teredo relays, and can talk BGP to your network. They are about 30MB, so will run on a compact flash card, and will happily run on anything from a 133Mhz 468 (ie. Soekris net4501) through to whatever top of the line server you have. They can also optionally do this "Tui" thing, which uses 6to4 and BGP to build direct IPv6 over IPv4 tunnels to everyone else with one of these boxes, without you having to configure each tunnel manually - I have some central route-servers. Optional, experimental, YMMV, etc. Thankfully, both Teredo and 6to4 use anycast for relay discovery, so if you have load problems you can deploy more of these for the cost of a server. As per usual, I'm giving it away free, see the following URL, or contact me off list: http://www.braintrust.co.nz/tui/ If you don't care about the "Tui" stuff, ignore those parts of the document, the rest will work just fine. ps. I'm looking at packet dumps of things right now, captured from torrent clients from the last wee while. I'll be rambling about this and pointing at pretty graphs in about a week at APNIC26. -- Nathan Ward

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