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Re: [nznog] Charging for IPv6
by Alex Hague 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

David Zanetti wrote: > I just don't see anything today I would bother demanding native v6 > transit for. So long as that't the case, I can live with tunnels for the > lab/play phase of things. How about an IPv6 wireless mesh as a reason to adopt... this is purely hypothetical, but say in the Auckland (/ Wellington / where ever) CBD there was an IPv6 wireless mesh, peered locally on the IPv6 peering exchange. New sources of local content may begin to appear such as bands providing live streams via the mesh of their gigs at the local bars / pubs / clubs etc. Current non-internet content providers such as radio stations might decide to provide their own streams. ISPs wishing to be WISPs would need to adopt v6. The benefits from what I know of IPv6 (which I'm still doing my homework on - so turn the flame jets down a notch) would be that all addresses on the mesh could be internet routable, and because of the local nature of the mesh most content would probably have local relevance rather than anything further a field, so with good local peering (which is relatively inexpensive) it would be completely feasible to deliver high speed local content. While I know that this is hypothetical, do you think it might provide an incentive for people to start using IPv6 to access the content? Furthermore, people might actually have a reason to request v6 from ISPs and ISPs wishing to provide services to mesh users would have a reason to go v6 ($$$)... Cheers, Alex -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/568 - Release Date: 4/12/2006

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Any mail admins from sbc.sbcglobal.net on here?
by Paul Adshead 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

Please contact me off list.

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CHIX
by Russell Tester 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

Does anyone know if CHIX is alive, was it ever alive or are there any plans to revive it in the future? Regards, Russell Tester Severworks Ltd

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Re: [nznog] CHIX - who'd sign up tomorrow?
by Erin Salmon 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

Hi, Last I heard (about 2 years ago) it was to be hosted between Snap Internet and University of Canterbury. We have been eager to peer since before a chix was ruminated, and remain so. Unleash would be happy to put forth a small amount of rackspace for the purpose if others want to get some informal peering going. We also have tall buildings at our disposal for those out there who are wirelessly inclined. My motivation is to eliminate costly backhaul to other main centres and create a marketplace, if you will, for bandwidth down here. Christchurch could use some life breathed into its Internet. Expressions of interest? Erin -----Original Message----- From: "Nathan Ward" <nznog(a)daork.net> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: 6/12/06 12:24 a.m. Subject: Re: [nznog] CHIX http://nzix.net/ The following exchanges are under construction: * Christchurch Internet Exchange * Southland Internet Exchange The "Who uses .." list shows nothing. Also, your sig is misspelt. On 6/12/2006, at 12:19 AM, Russell Tester wrote: > Does anyone know if CHIX is alive, was it ever alive or are there any > plans to revive it in the future? > > Regards, > > Russell Tester > Severworks Ltd > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > !DSPAM:22,457555d3143831749460768! > > > _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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FW:Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Jeremy Simons 02 Dec '06

02 Dec '06

Statement from TeamTalk Kordia supplies services to TeamTalk and we have a longstanding relationship with Kordia. They are one of our preferred suppliers and we are happy with our commercial arrangements. TeamTalk did not authorise the release of any Kordia material. The statement in question was sent to a junior member of TeamTalk's staff who contrary to company policy copied it to Jonathan Brewer of Araneo. We are treating the matter very seriously and are taking steps to ensure that such a breach of policy does not occur again. It is important to note that the item quoted was one paragraph from a complex 25-page document and was taken out of context. We value our relationship with Kordia and regret that this incident has occurred Jeremy Simons General Manager - Operations TeamTalk Limited ____________________________________________ Jeremy Simons General Manager - Operations TeamTalk Limited How Work Gets Done Phone: ++64 4 802 1478 Mobile: ++64 21 715 390 Fax: ++64 4 802 1490 <mailto:jsimons(a)teamtalk.co.nz> Mail to: jsimons(a)teamtalk.co.nz Disclaimer: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. TeamTalk Limited accepts no responsibility for any effects this email message or attachments has on the recipient network or computer system.

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Re: [nznog] FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Dean Pemberton 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

> List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives? I think we've been through this before, and the answer is no. There is all sorts of things in the archives that people would like to have removed. The answer has always been no. Infact way back in time there was a HUGE argument about it. Where people offered to just make alternative, REAL versions of the archives with the removed posts. It got really nasty. Dean (In his ad-hoc role as NZNOG historian)

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FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Jonathan Brewer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Hi Folks, I'm afraid my question may have breached a confidentiality agreement and we are getting angry phone calls from our supplier, so please disregard my email earlier today and delete any references to it from your inbox if that is possible. List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives? Thanks, Jonathan Brewer > ______________________________________________ > From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)araneo.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 9:42 a.m. > To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators > > Hi Folks, > > We telehouse at a number of facilities throughout New Zealand. We > typically provide our own batteries and contract for use of an on-site > diesel generator. At most sites we are not able to put in our own > generator. > > We were recently informed by Kordia (BCL) that they can no longer allow us > to use standby generator power at their sites due to the Electricity > Reforms Act. > > "BCL is deemed to be a Line Company under the Electricity Reforms Act and > therefore is unable to also be classified as a Generator. On that basis, > BCL is no longer able to provide you with Standby Generator Power for > upgrades to existing or new services." > > This effectively bars us from providing carrier grade telecommunications > services from BCL sites. > > One might say "use different sites" or "build your own towers", but these > are not options as these towers were built by the government before the > times of the Resource Management Act in unique locations where new towers > cannot be built. > > Can they do this? Are they doing this to everyone, or just us? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Brewer

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Re: [nznog] THE SKY IS FALLING ( was Re: IPv4 Exhaustion)
by Scott Weeks 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

: The past 10+ years of work on IPv6 nee IPng have taught : many lessons about what will and will not work (and more : importantly what will be accepted or not). Exactly. I NEED to multihome. I won't accept not being able to do that. No provider is going to be good enough that I trust ALL of my connectivity with them and no one else. That settles it right there. A protocol should not dictate my business practice. : ps - the 100-million number likely came from Alain Durand's : presentation "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses" WRT "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses", I see the following chart. (apologies for the formatting. It's on page 6 at www.nanog.org/mtg-0606/pdf/alain-durand.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Triple Play Effect on the Use of IP Addresses 2005 2006+ HSD only Triple Play Cable Modem 1(private only) 1 Home Computer/Router 1 1 eMTA (Voice adaptor) 0 1 – 2 Set Top Box (STB) 0 2 Total number of IP addresses(assume 2.5 1 – 2 8 – 9 STB per household) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What STB needs 2 IPs per box? The way we're doing it is one private IP per STB and one STB per television set, so that's 2-3 private IPs per household. One public IP per customer for Internet and we're not going for VoIP until later. Perhaps they have one STB per household no matter the number of television sets? Also, I see they have 20-30 ASNs. Are all 20M customers going to be in one AS? I wouldn't expect that. Finally, with VPRNs addresses could be reused. Just put the customers in different VPRNs and duplicate the address scheme. It's 'divide and conquer' methodology. I'm a noobie to VPRNs, so flame me if this isn't feasible. I have doused my flameproof underpants with beer, so I'm protected... :-) scott --- jejs+lists(a)sahala.org wrote: From: "joshua sahala" <jejs+lists(a)sahala.org> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] THE SKY IS FALLING ( was Re: IPv4 Exhaustion) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:42:35 +1300 (NZDT) I find it slightly ironic that those screaming the loudest for IPv6 seem to have the most poorly researched assertions regarding the death of IPv4. (I am of course ignoring the obvious stupidity of things like IPv8/9/16) Who are the loudest proponents of IPv6? I tend to agree with the evaluation presented in Todd Underwood's blog: vendors, consultants, and the protocol designers themselves... (http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/03/bashing_ipv6_at_telecomnext.shtml) If IPv6 is the answer, what was the question again? Perhaps it is time to accept that IPv6 is the wrong answer (or we need to start asking better questions), take the lessons learned from its failure, and start again. The past 10+ years of work on IPv6 nee IPng have taught many lessons about what will and will not work (and more importantly what will be accepted or not). There are many fundamental problems with the protocol that no amount of marketecture or hand-waving will fix; the least of which is a lack of end-users calling for a v6 address for their toaster/television/mechanical tie rack. These issue must be addressed, either in IPv6 (not likely), or in IPng-NG :) </soapbox> /joshua ps - the 100-million number likely came from Alain Durand's presentation "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses" (it says ~20-million customers + kit == 100-million) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams - _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Jonathan Brewer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Hi Folks, We telehouse at a number of facilities throughout New Zealand. We typically provide our own batteries and contract for use of an on-site diesel generator. At most sites we are not able to put in our own generator. We were recently informed by Kordia (BCL) that they can no longer allow us to use standby generator power at their sites due to the Electricity Reforms Act. "BCL is deemed to be a Line Company under the Electricity Reforms Act and therefore is unable to also be classified as a Generator. On that basis, BCL is no longer able to provide you with Standby Generator Power for upgrades to existing or new services." This effectively bars us from providing carrier grade telecommunications services from BCL sites. One might say "use different sites" or "build your own towers", but these are not options as these towers were built by the government before the times of the Resource Management Act in unique locations where new towers cannot be built. Can they do this? Are they doing this to everyone, or just us? Thanks, Jonathan Brewer

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[Fwd: Re: Charging for IPv6]
by Gerard Creamer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

On 30/11/2006 11:36 a.m., Andy Linton wrote: > For us having this address space from APNIC pushes us into the next tier of > membership and costs us an additional US$2500 a year. We have had a very > serious discussion here about returning this to APNIC and getting a reduction > in our charges. We recently got our first allocation from APNIC, and I was surprised that we had to choose 4 or 6 and had to pay more for both - as Andy says, are we being encouraged to do this or not? We are still small, so the additional cost is prohibitive. I would have thought there would be an associated IP6 allocation with every IP4 allocation, but I guess I was naive. Gerard

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