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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by murphy 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

If you are using HP machines (other mobs may have a similar setup) you can take advantage of iLO - Integrated Lights Out. It is a 2nd or 3rd network card in the machine that acts as a management interface. It can be accessed by telnet, ssh, or web (hopefully your core network is still up) and provides access to virtual power buttons, mounting ISO's remotely for full system rebuilds, etc. I spec it in standard with all my server purchases. In scenarios where you are co-locating then this is a must. Providing the network is up and the power cable is plugged into the server (whether the server be physically on or off) then you have full control over its behaviour. Worth a look into. On 12/1/05, nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > Send NZNOG mailing list submissions to > nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nznog-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NZNOG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Remote server booting (Regan Murphy) > 2. Re: Remote server booting (Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd) > 3. NZ Online Security Day (Matthew Poole) > 4. Re: NZ Online Security Day (Juha Saarinen) > 5. Re: Remote server booting (Drew Broadley) > 6. Re: Remote server booting (Joe Abley) > 7. Re: Remote server booting (Gordon Smith) > 8. Re: Remote server booting (Simon Lyall) > 9. Re: Remote server booting (Daniel Lawson) > 10. Re: Remote server booting (Barry Murphy) > 11. Re: Remote server booting (Jeremy Strachan) > 12. Re: Remote server booting (Simon) > 13. Re: Remote server booting (Tony Wicks) > 14. Re: NZ Online Security Day (Steven Heath) > 15. Re: Remote server booting (Nathan Ward) > 16. Re: NZ Online Security Day (Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd) > 17. Re: NZ Online Security Day (neil gardner) > 18. Re: NZ Online Security Day (Mark Foster) > 19. Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? (Simon) > 20. Re: Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > (Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd) > 21. Re: Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > (Richard Patterson) > 22. Re: Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > (Andrew Thompson) > 23. Re: Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > (Richard Patterson) > 24. Re: Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? (Martin) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Regan Murphy" <regan.murphy(a)oasystems.co.nz> > To: "James Clark" <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz>, <criggie(a)criggie.dyndns.org> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:08:02 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > We no longer carry this range of product, and I beleive that the > > manufacturers have discontinued some of the range There website has > > gone but you can try to call them on 0800smitch > > Black Box used to have a local website and produce a Catalog, not sure > if they still do in NZ. They carry a range of remote power units, have > a browse - I'm sure there is something suitable there: > > http://www.blackbox.com/Catalog/Category.aspx?cid=183,1324,1327 > > > -- > Regan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd" <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> > To: "Regan Murphy" <regan.murphy(a)oasystems.co.nz>, "James Clark" <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz>, <criggie(a)criggie.dyndns.org> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:21:09 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > Black Box does still sell in NZ, but I'm not sure if they have a local > office here or just bring stuff over as required. sales(a)blackbox.com.au. > > Their stuff is good, but on the whole very expensive. > > VMWare, Xen, UML etc all offer remote "power cycling" of hosted domains, but > of course, if the root domain goes down you're still stuck. Needless to say > the other advantages of virtualisation make it pretty attractive. > > Cheers, > > Erin Salmon > Managing Director > Unleash Computers Ltd > Unleash Networks Ltd > Mobile: 021 877 913 > Landline: 03 365 1273 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Regan Murphy [mailto:regan.murphy(a)oasystems.co.nz] > Sent: 30 November 2005 12:08 p.m. > To: James Clark; criggie(a)criggie.dyndns.org > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > > We no longer carry this range of product, and I beleive that the > > manufacturers have discontinued some of the range There website has > > gone but you can try to call them on 0800smitch > > Black Box used to have a local website and produce a Catalog, not sure > if they still do in NZ. They carry a range of remote power units, have > a browse - I'm sure there is something suitable there: > > http://www.blackbox.com/Catalog/Category.aspx?cid=183,1324,1327 > > > -- > Regan > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Matthew Poole <matt(a)p00le.net> > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:38:20 +1300 (NZDT) > Subject: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he logged > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, seeing > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > -- > Matthew Poole > "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer." > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org> > To: Matthew Poole <matt(a)p00le.net> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:52:12 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > Matthew Poole wrote: > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he logged > > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, seeing > > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > It's a silly stunt that is best ignored. I don't think geeks are > interested in downloading Hector the Virus Vect... err, Protector, in > order to celebrate Online Security Day. > > -- > Juha > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Drew Broadley <drew(a)corrupt.co.nz> > To: criggie(a)criggie.dyndns.org > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:57:56 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > criggie(a)criggie.dyndns.org wrote: > >>>Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > >>>boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > > > > > > > > Theres a box called a smitch, which you can remotely turn on or off using > > a SMS message. They're quite pricy at around $300 NZ, but you could put > > one in a place thats otherwise hard to get to... someone's roof-space for > > example. > > > > http://www.cellpower.co.nz/Smitch%20switch.htm <-- out of stock > > http://www.smitch.co.nz/ <-- goes to domainz > > > > They do need a basic lesson in "how to market a product" though :/ > > For a cheaper option, http://ito.client.topshelfmedia.co.nz/Home > > - Drew > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org> > To: Simon <greminn(a)gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:02:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > On 28-Nov-2005, at 22:44, Simon wrote: > > > Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > > boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > > If you'd also like a proper serial console (and your server's bios > doesn't already provide you with one) you could do worse than <http:// > www.realweasel.com/>. It's probably hugely expensive if all you want > is a remote power cycle capability though. > > > Joe > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Gordon Smith" <gsmith(a)wxc.co.nz> > To: <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:04:31 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > These guys also do good solutions: > > http://www.cyclades.com/ > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon Lyall <simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz> > To: nznog <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:18:49 +1300 (NZDT) > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Gordon Smith wrote: > > These guys also do good solutions: > > > > http://www.cyclades.com/ > > <plug> > > If anyone is going to Linux Conf in Dunedin in January then we are having > a talk by John Bordin from Cyclades on this area at the Sysadmin Miniconf, > See http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/presentations.html (3rd one down) > > The rest of the programme is being finalized and should be published in a > couple of days. > </plug> > > -- > Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ > "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)wand.net.nz> > To: Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org>, NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:39 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > > > > >>Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > >>boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > >> > >> > > > >If you'd also like a proper serial console (and your server's bios > >doesn't already provide you with one) you could do worse than <http:// > >www.realweasel.com/>. It's probably hugely expensive if all you want > >is a remote power cycle capability though. > > > > > > I recently picked up a second hand Compaq RILOE card on trademe for > about $70 (there's still a few there). Provides local console > redirection via http, keyboard/mouse intercept, remote power control > (with a custom powercable that fits in between the physical power button > and the psu), etc. These models are a bit old now, but the modern > equivalents (such as the realweasel) look good, and I'd consider them > well worth the money. > > -- > Daniel Lawson > WAND Group, Computer Science Department > University of Waikato > email: daniel(a)wand.net.nz phone: +64 7 838 4136 > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Barry Murphy <barry(a)unix.co.nz> > To: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)wand.net.nz>, Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org>, NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:18:29 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > Hmmm, so basically an IP-KVM ? Does it have a network port or does it share > the systems; do you assign an IP to it and it gives a web based console? > > I'm wondering if i can put this into a system, attach it to a KVM on site > and control up to 8 pc's; though it doesnt appear to have a video output. > > Seems pretty interesting, I may get one to play with. > > Regards > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Lawson" <daniel(a)wand.net.nz> > To: "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)isc.org>; <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > > > > > > > > > >>Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > > >>boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > > >> > > >> > > > > > >If you'd also like a proper serial console (and your server's bios > > >doesn't already provide you with one) you could do worse than <http:// > > >www.realweasel.com/>. It's probably hugely expensive if all you want > > >is a remote power cycle capability though. > > > > > > > > > > I recently picked up a second hand Compaq RILOE card on trademe for > > about $70 (there's still a few there). Provides local console > > redirection via http, keyboard/mouse intercept, remote power control > > (with a custom powercable that fits in between the physical power button > > and the psu), etc. These models are a bit old now, but the modern > > equivalents (such as the realweasel) look good, and I'd consider them > > well worth the money. > > > > -- > > Daniel Lawson > > WAND Group, Computer Science Department > > University of Waikato > > email: daniel(a)wand.net.nz phone: +64 7 838 4136 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jeremy Strachan" <JeremyS(a)cclnz.co.nz> > To: "Barry Murphy" <barry(a)unix.co.nz>, "Daniel Lawson" <daniel(a)wand.net.nz>, "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)isc.org>, <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:26:03 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > Adderlink. > > We use two (Ak/Wn) attached to our 16 port KVM's to provide IP access to > the consoles. > > The box has one network port and runs a commercial version of VNC, which > behaves better than free VNC. > > Attach it to a UPS, and you can have access to your consoles with power > on or off. > > > Jeremy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 3:18 p.m. > To: Daniel Lawson; Joe Abley; NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > Hmmm, so basically an IP-KVM ? Does it have a network port or does it > share the systems; do you assign an IP to it and it gives a web based > console? > > I'm wondering if i can put this into a system, attach it to a KVM on > site and control up to 8 pc's; though it doesnt appear to have a video > output. > > Seems pretty interesting, I may get one to play with. > > Regards > Barry > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon <greminn(a)gmail.com> > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:31:34 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > Same here: > > http://www.rextron.com/products/kips01.htm > > Works great, connects to a 8 port KVM switch. It even runs linux, so > you can ssh to it. > > On 11/30/05, Jeremy Strachan <JeremyS(a)cclnz.co.nz> wrote: > > > > Adderlink. > > > > We use two (Ak/Wn) attached to our 16 port KVM's to provide IP access to > > the consoles. > > > > The box has one network port and runs a commercial version of VNC, which > > behaves better than free VNC. > > > > Attach it to a UPS, and you can have access to your consoles with power > > on or off. > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] > > Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 3:18 p.m. > > To: Daniel Lawson; Joe Abley; NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > > > Hmmm, so basically an IP-KVM ? Does it have a network port or does it > > share the systems; do you assign an IP to it and it gives a web based > > console? > > > > I'm wondering if i can put this into a system, attach it to a KVM on > > site and control up to 8 pc's; though it doesnt appear to have a video > > output. > > > > Seems pretty interesting, I may get one to play with. > > > > Regards > > Barry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Wicks <tony(a)prophecy.net.nz> > To: Barry Murphy <barry(a)unix.co.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:37:04 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > Yes, Cyclades does KVM over IP (for example, you can RDP to the KVM) and > also a power strip that lets you power cycle each outlet on demand (as > well as serial console of course). If you need any info drop me a line > (can source them if you like.) > > > > Barry Murphy wrote: > > Hmmm, so basically an IP-KVM ? Does it have a network port or does it share > > the systems; do you assign an IP to it and it gives a web based console? > > > > I'm wondering if i can put this into a system, attach it to a KVM on site > > and control up to 8 pc's; though it doesnt appear to have a video output. > > > > Seems pretty interesting, I may get one to play with. > > > > Regards > > Barry > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Steven Heath <sheath(a)paradise.net.nz> > To: Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:39:16 +1300 (NZDT) > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > Quoting Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org>: > > > Matthew Poole wrote: > > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he > > logged > > > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > > > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, > > seeing > > > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > > > It's a silly stunt that is best ignored. I don't think geeks are > > interested in downloading Hector the Virus Vect... err, Protector, in > > order to celebrate Online Security Day. > > The Net Nanny, err, Net Safe people did a press release about it 2 days ago. > Lots of lead time and all that. Seems they proposed the idea about six months > ago but no one cared... > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/isgnews/text_generation_release.aspx > > I think I will just stick to Bonzi Buddy. > > > Steven Heath > .nz news & views > +64 21 706 067 > www.nznews.org.nz > > "America is the only nation in history which has gone directly from barbarism > to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization." > > Georges Clemenceau > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nathan Ward" <nznog(a)daork.net> > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:57:23 +1300 (NZDT) > Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > > Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > > boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > > > > This i have done in the past by having the bios on the server set to > > reboot after power fail and that takes care of the rest along with > > good load UPS's and backup power. But what if you acually had to shut > > down a server for some reason out-there (backup power fails)? > > Most of the replies to this ignored his last sentence. > Many (most?) of the BIOSes/motherboards I have seen can either be in > "Power off" or "Last state" when power is reconnected. Few have a "Power > on" option. > > If he shuts down a server, the hardware will power down, and when he power > cycles with his remote power strip, the box stays in "Power off" or the > "Last state" which is.. off. > > If one looses power at a site, the servers reliant on the failed power > rail should shut themselves down before the UPS runs out, in order to > prevent filesystem corruption, which can prolong an outage. > > I see the only real solutions to this being some flavour of lights out > card, or of course, monkeys with cellphones. > > -- > Nathan Ward > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd" <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> > To: "Steven Heath" <sheath(a)paradise.net.nz>, "Juha Saarinen" <juha(a)saarinen.org> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:34:13 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > It is incredibly easy to underestimate the volumes of stupid people out > there. You'll notice that most govt department website have things like: > > Name: > Eg. John Smith > > On their contact forms... They don't do that for no reason. > > A bit of education (even if it is pathetically light-weight) can't be a bad > thing. > > Just my $0.02. > > Erin Salmon > Managing Director > Unleash Computers Ltd > Unleash Networks Ltd > Mobile: 021 877 913 > Landline: 03 365 1273 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Heath [mailto:sheath(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: 30 November 2005 3:39 p.m. > To: Juha Saarinen > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > > Quoting Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org>: > > > Matthew Poole wrote: > > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he > > logged > > > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > > > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, > > seeing > > > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > > > It's a silly stunt that is best ignored. I don't think geeks are > > interested in downloading Hector the Virus Vect... err, Protector, in > > order to celebrate Online Security Day. > > The Net Nanny, err, Net Safe people did a press release about it 2 days ago. > Lots of lead time and all that. Seems they proposed the idea about six > months > ago but no one cared... > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/isgnews/text_generation_release.aspx > > I think I will just stick to Bonzi Buddy. > > > Steven Heath > .nz news & views > +64 21 706 067 > www.nznews.org.nz > > "America is the only nation in history which has gone directly from > barbarism > to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization." > > Georges Clemenceau > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "neil gardner" <neil.gardner(a)alliedtelesyn.co.nz> > To: <sheath(a)paradise.net.nz>,<juha(a)saarinen.org>, <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:40:02 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > Hmmmm. That reminds me of some sort of saying... Something about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing... > > Aha - Here we go: > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again. Alexander Pope (1688-1744) - An Essay on Criticism." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pope > > And on balance I'd agree - letting someone think they're safer if they take the most lightweight precautions probably isn't a good idea. > > Cheers - N > > > > Neil Gardner > Product Manager > Allied Telesyn Research Ltd > New Zealand > +64 3 339-9509 (ph) > +64 3 339-3001 (fax) > > >>> "Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd" <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> 30/11/2005 4:34 p.m. >>> > It is incredibly easy to underestimate the volumes of stupid people out > there. You'll notice that most govt department website have things like: > > Name: > Eg. John Smith > > On their contact forms... They don't do that for no reason. > > A bit of education (even if it is pathetically light-weight) can't be a bad > thing. > > Just my $0.02. > > Erin Salmon > Managing Director > Unleash Computers Ltd > Unleash Networks Ltd > Mobile: 021 877 913 > Landline: 03 365 1273 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Heath [mailto:sheath(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: 30 November 2005 3:39 p.m. > To: Juha Saarinen > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > > Quoting Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org>: > > > Matthew Poole wrote: > > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he > > logged > > > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > > > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, > > seeing > > > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > > > It's a silly stunt that is best ignored. I don't think geeks are > > interested in downloading Hector the Virus Vect... err, Protector, in > > order to celebrate Online Security Day. > > The Net Nanny, err, Net Safe people did a press release about it 2 days ago. > Lots of lead time and all that. Seems they proposed the idea about six > months > ago but no one cared... > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/isgnews/text_generation_release.aspx > > I think I will just stick to Bonzi Buddy. > > > Steven Heath > .nz news & views > +64 21 706 067 > www.nznews.org.nz > > "America is the only nation in history which has gone directly from > barbarism > to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization." > > Georges Clemenceau > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee > named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this message in error please > notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender has the > authority to issue and specifically states them to > be the views of Allied Telesyn Research. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Mark Foster" <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:55:44 +1300 (NZDT) > Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day > (large CC list removed...) > > > Hmmmm. That reminds me of some sort of saying... Something about a little > > knowledge being a dangerous thing... > > > > Aha - Here we go: > > > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the > > Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking > > largely sobers us again. Alexander Pope (1688-1744) - An Essay on > > Criticism." > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pope > > > > And on balance I'd agree - letting someone think they're safer if they > > take the most lightweight precautions probably isn't a good idea. > > > > Cheers - N > > > > > > *snip* > > You beat me to the punch Neil. > The problem with 'a little knowledge' is you end up with a rash of 'Help! > I'm being DoS'd by (insert IP of your ISP's DNS Servers here)!!! BAN > THEM!' > > Aka the little bit of knowledge is 'knowing you need a firewall to be > safe' and the better bit of knowledge is 'knowing the difference betweem > an attack, and innocent / important internet traffic'. Or at least how to > find out the difference! > > But yeah, given the lack of PR that "Online Security Day" received in the > IT Community it can hardly be given any sort of credibility... you think > buy in from a few major IT outfits and ISPs would be kinda useful? > > Almost as press-worthy as Microsofts announcement re Maori language > support in Windows XP? (When its been available to varying degrees within > alternative OS's for quite some time..)[1] > > Mark. > > [1] I give credit to the fact they've finished it and packaged it. As I > understand it most of the Maori Language work for Linux is in an > incomplete state.... then again when you're throwing thousands of dollars > at a project you can expect to have an edge on small open-source efforts I > guess! > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon <greminn(a)gmail.com> > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:56:58 +1300 > Subject: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > Hi There, > > I have been discussing the utilisation of Xen in a production > environment on a couple of other lists (nzlug, debian-isp etc), but > wondering if anyone from this list is using it in new zealand for > serving of network services? Please let me know if this is OT. > > Would like to hear your experiences if so. > > Simon > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd" <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:04:17 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > Hi, > > We're using it extensively. We're offering it as a product to customers, > running DNS, qmail, apache, and a number of custom apps on it. The stable > releases are rock solidly reliable, and the development efforts behind it > are giving it new features all the time. At the moment with stable releases > you're limited to running a domain on a single CPU, which is a bit of a > pain, but the next release is going to include virtual processors, so > multiple "real" processors can be sent instructions from one master virtual > processor to which domains are assigned. > > Cheers, > > Erin Salmon > Managing Director > Unleash Computers Ltd > Unleash Networks Ltd > Mobile: 021 877 913 > Landline: 03 365 1273 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon [mailto:greminn(a)gmail.com] > Sent: 30 November 2005 4:57 p.m. > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > > Hi There, > > I have been discussing the utilisation of Xen in a production > environment on a couple of other lists (nzlug, debian-isp etc), but > wondering if anyone from this list is using it in new zealand for > serving of network services? Please let me know if this is OT. > > Would like to hear your experiences if so. > > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Patterson <richard(a)helix.net.nz> > To: Simon <greminn(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:55:23 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > Simon wrote: > > >Hi There, > > > >I have been discussing the utilisation of Xen in a production > >environment on a couple of other lists (nzlug, debian-isp etc), but > >wondering if anyone from this list is using it in new zealand for > >serving of network services? Please let me know if this is OT. > > > >Would like to hear your experiences if so. > > > >Simon > > > > > > I've deployed a Xen machine together with linux vservers inside the > virtual Xen domains (don't ask) > > Running exim4/apache/samba/ldap and maybe some other things. > Has been in production for several months now without any issues. > > > -Richard > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Thompson <andy(a)fud.org.nz> > To: Richard Patterson <richard(a)helix.net.nz> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:48:03 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 04:55:23PM +1300, Richard Patterson wrote: > > Simon wrote: > > > > >Hi There, > > > > > >I have been discussing the utilisation of Xen in a production > > >environment on a couple of other lists (nzlug, debian-isp etc), but > > >wondering if anyone from this list is using it in new zealand for > > >serving of network services? Please let me know if this is OT. > > > > > >Would like to hear your experiences if so. > > > > > >Simon > > > > > > > > > > I've deployed a Xen machine together with linux vservers inside the > > virtual Xen domains (don't ask) > > > > Running exim4/apache/samba/ldap and maybe some other things. > > Has been in production for several months now without any issues. > > Can I ask why you would choose this over using something like FreeBSD > jails which provide seperation with no overhead? > > > Andrew > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Patterson <richard(a)helix.net.nz> > To: Andrew Thompson <andy(a)fud.org.nz>, NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:54:55 +1300 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > Andrew Thompson wrote: > > >On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 04:55:23PM +1300, Richard Patterson wrote: > > > > > >>I've deployed a Xen machine together with linux vservers inside the > >>virtual Xen domains (don't ask) > >> > >>Running exim4/apache/samba/ldap and maybe some other things. > >>Has been in production for several months now without any issues. > >> > >> > > > >Can I ask why you would choose this over using something like FreeBSD > >jails which provide seperation with no overhead? > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > > > Customer wanted Xen > > > -Richard > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: marty(a)supine.com (Martin) > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:23:24 +1100 > Subject: Re: [nznog] Xen for network services (aka web/mail/dns etc) - OT? > $quoted_author = "Andrew Thompson" ; > > > > Can I ask why you would choose this over using something like FreeBSD > > jails which provide seperation with no overhead? > > raw IP sockets for one... > > cheers > marty > > -- > <shortigo> I can't find my enlightenment configuration files > <BedMan> look in ~/.enlightenment > <shortigo> I don't seem to have one > <hazard> 'the path to enlightment is hard to find' > > http://www.bash.org/?238734 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > >

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Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day
by neil gardner 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Hmmmm. That reminds me of some sort of saying... Something about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing... Aha - Here we go: "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again. Alexander Pope (1688-1744) - An Essay on Criticism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pope And on balance I'd agree - letting someone think they're safer if they take the most lightweight precautions probably isn't a good idea. Cheers - N Neil Gardner Product Manager Allied Telesyn Research Ltd New Zealand +64 3 339-9509 (ph) +64 3 339-3001 (fax) >>> "Erin Salmon - Unleash Computers Ltd" <erin(a)unleash.co.nz> 30/11/2005 4:34 p.m. >>> It is incredibly easy to underestimate the volumes of stupid people out there. You'll notice that most govt department website have things like: Name: Eg. John Smith On their contact forms... They don't do that for no reason. A bit of education (even if it is pathetically light-weight) can't be a bad thing. Just my $0.02. Erin Salmon Managing Director Unleash Computers Ltd Unleash Networks Ltd Mobile: 021 877 913 Landline: 03 365 1273 -----Original Message----- From: Steven Heath [mailto:sheath(a)paradise.net.nz] Sent: 30 November 2005 3:39 p.m. To: Juha Saarinen Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] NZ Online Security Day Quoting Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org>: > Matthew Poole wrote: > > Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he > logged > > into the WestpacTrust online banking site. > > Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, > seeing > > as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. > > It's a silly stunt that is best ignored. I don't think geeks are > interested in downloading Hector the Virus Vect... err, Protector, in > order to celebrate Online Security Day. The Net Nanny, err, Net Safe people did a press release about it 2 days ago. Lots of lead time and all that. Seems they proposed the idea about six months ago but no one cared... http://www.netsafe.org.nz/isgnews/text_generation_release.aspx I think I will just stick to Bonzi Buddy. Steven Heath .nz news & views +64 21 706 067 www.nznews.org.nz "America is the only nation in history which has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization." Georges Clemenceau _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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NZ Online Security Day
by Matthew Poole 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Is apparently today. One of my co-workers discovered this when he logged into the WestpacTrust online banking site. Anyone else heard of this? It was obviously very well publicised, seeing as a whole company of geeks hadn't heard of it. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by Jeremy Strachan 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Adderlink. We use two (Ak/Wn) attached to our 16 port KVM's to provide IP access to the consoles. The box has one network port and runs a commercial version of VNC, which behaves better than free VNC. Attach it to a UPS, and you can have access to your consoles with power on or off. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 3:18 p.m. To: Daniel Lawson; Joe Abley; NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting Hmmm, so basically an IP-KVM ? Does it have a network port or does it share the systems; do you assign an IP to it and it gives a web based console? I'm wondering if i can put this into a system, attach it to a KVM on site and control up to 8 pc's; though it doesnt appear to have a video output. Seems pretty interesting, I may get one to play with. Regards Barry

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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by Gordon Smith 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

These guys also do good solutions: http://www.cyclades.com/

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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by Regan Murphy 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

> We no longer carry this range of product, and I beleive that the > manufacturers have discontinued some of the range There website has > gone but you can try to call them on 0800smitch Black Box used to have a local website and produce a Catalog, not sure if they still do in NZ. They carry a range of remote power units, have a browse - I'm sure there is something suitable there: http://www.blackbox.com/Catalog/Category.aspx?cid=183,1324,1327 -- Regan

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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by Geraint Jones 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

There are boards called Eric from Peppercon : http://www.peppercon.com/remoteboards.html I use a few of them and they are just as good as Lights Out cards from HP/Compaq Geraint Jones Systems Administrator French Maid Foods Limited www.french-maid.net DDI: +64 (0)4 570 7633 Tel: +64 (0)4 568 2687 Fax: +64 (0)4 568 2345 Mob: +64 (0)21 739 240 -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nznog(a)daork.net] Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:58 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Remote server booting > Im wondering if anyone has used or is using a good solution to remote > boot (from complete power down) servers and equiptment? > > This i have done in the past by having the bios on the server set to > reboot after power fail and that takes care of the rest along with > good load UPS's and backup power. But what if you acually had to shut > down a server for some reason out-there (backup power fails)? Most vendors have some kind of module available as standard, or as an option. IBM: "Remote Supervisor Adapter" HP: "Lights-Out" Dell: "DRAC" (Dell Remote Access Controller) Obviously, blade chassis, etc. have these built in.. There are also cards that go home made PCs, I believe. APC and others also make remote power switches, which are a power distribution board that let you switch ports on and off individually. This may solve part of your problem for cheaper than lightsout cards in all your servers. I believe the interface is some kind of network thing (ie. web, SNMP or telnet), or maybe RS-232. -- Nathan Ward _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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NZNOG 2006 Presenters
by Donald Neal 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

All New Zealanders who offered to be presenters at March's conference should by now have received a response. Well, all except one whose corporate email system is rejecting my emails. Could anyone living in New Zealand who has offered to present and not received a reply please contact me directly. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |"You know what young, carnivorous, Support Engineer |alien mammal-like monsters are like. NGN Operations |Always getting into scrapes." Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002.

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Re: [nznog] Remote server booting
by Simon 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

On 11/29/05, Simon <greminn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hire a monkey with a mobile phone and chain him to the side of the > > server. Train him press power when you call... > > Ha - tried that!, but the monkey scoffed down all the bananas we used > with Mr. Fusion to power the servers - so we fired is asre. > And with the cost of monkeys these days - its cheaper to hire a tech admin!

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2day Peering
by Peter Mott 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

>>I wonder if Peter Mott has now moved on to something new now... >>Being one of NZ's Internet pioneers... >"ICONZ will keep the 2day.com brand, and founder and chief >engineer Peter Mott remains in the interim with the merged >company." >So for now he's still at 2day/ICONZ... The interim was in fact a fairly short period of time. A young sales chap arrived on day one and took over my office. I have had no participation at a management or operational level since that time. That was back in May. There was a contract in place for my services, but that has since been terminated. I will however be keeping an eye on the industry from my motor yacht :-) regards Peter Mott MV Toccata COASTLINE YACHTS LIMITED Tel: +64 9 488 9352 Fax: +64 9 486 7017 -/-

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