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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS4831 as-name: NZRR-AS4831 descr: BDT Ltd descr: initially peering at '202.7.1.3' descr: see Citylink RT job #956 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.36.76.0/23 descr: Route for BDT Ltd - AS4831 origin: AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 210.48.127.0/24 descr: Route for BDT Ltd - AS4831 origin: AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS4831 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by BDT Ltd - AS4831 members: 202.36.76.0/23^23-29, 210.48.127.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR

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Telecom UBS "not the service recommended by the Commission"
by Juha Saarinen 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

No, not unlimited beer service, but the wholesale DSL thing. In case you've missed it, have a read of these two: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/16FA6ACE360C15CACC256EEF003360DD http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3584222 I received a media release late yesterday as well, which isn't up on the ComCom Web site yet. Here's a snippet from it: 'Current UBS not the service recommended by the Commission The Commerce Commission is advising businesses that the Unbundled Bitstream Service (UBS) currently being offered commercially by Telecom New Zealand differs significantly from the regulated bitstream service, recommended by the Commission in its unbundling report to the Minister of Communications, and due to come into force shortly. The Commission has become aware that the service being currently offered by Telecom has more limited characteristics than the bitstream service recommended by the Commission. "I would be concerned if telecommunications industry participants signed up to the current Telecom commercial offer under the impression that it was a proxy for the regulated service." said Telecommunications Commissioner Douglas Webb. ' The Commission's bitstream service isn't modelled on the Jetsurf 1GB plan or any Telecom retail plan. Looking at the service description, the commission requires a max upstream of 128Kbit/s and must "have an average of not less than 256Kbit/s" for the downstream, with a throughput rate for end users that mustn't be less than 32Kbit/s. -- Juha

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:23:25 +1200 (NZST) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408131522270.3688(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22^22-24, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040813 source: NZRR

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Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by J S Russell 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote: > not really wanting to say this but... thats assuming that you use it > 24hrs a day, the average user(not my average use, or probably yours > but...) doesnt use their net connection 24hrs a day, assuming the > average user does 8 hrs a day(a fairly high average I'd have throught), > thats 12kbytes a second, which is just about fine. I'd have throught the > average user would be somewhere nearer to 4 or maybe 6 hours a day, but > anyway. Well, see now, my home machines actually tend to keep doing things via the internet, even when I'm not physically sitting in front of them and looking at stuff in a browser. In fact, I (and most of the people reading this list) tend to be use _less_ traffic at home than "power users" - because all our personal high-bandwidth p2p apps and audio/video streams and suchlike live on servers which tend to be connected to ISP core networks, or live in ISP co-location space. 12K/sec is "fine"? Great! I think I'd like to listen to Twisted Radio's high-quality web stream, and also .... oh, wait, I was going to talk about some other common internet stuff there, but I've pretty much already used up most of 12K/sec. Well, perhaps I'll turn all that stuff off, plunk myself down on the couch, fire up the xbox and pull up one of r2's high-quality video streams to watch on ... oh, no, I guess I sure as hell won't be doing that. And neither will anyone else at 256Kbits/sec, flat rate or not-flat rate. Because 256Kbits/sec is obscenely slow. A key point here is not to think about what most people currently do with their internet connection, it's to think about what they _could_ be doing if they had _real_ broadband. The lost opportunities from this lack of connectivity is the thing that people ought to really be mad about. A 256Kbits/sec bit rate, of which you will be allowed to sustain a fraction thereof, on a service which can do _8Mbits/sec_ is frankly, a load of ass. There are test residential FTTP installations in prodution elsewhere_right now_. True optical to the home - not science fiction, if you live in the right place you can just Go Buy One. I can see that from Telecom if it gets here - 10GBits/sec to the home, and you get a full 10Gbits/sec if you connect to Telecoms content server domains or gaming realms, and if you go anywhere else ... well, as you've pointed out, 12K/sec is "fine" isn't it? Speaking of which, I must point out yet again, The Telecom ADSL product somehow can do a full 8Mbits/sec speed flat-rate _FREE_ connection to one national platform (Jetstreamgames) yet somehow is "not provisioned" to do more than 10GB/month to another national platform (Any Non-Telecom ISP). Hell, TCNZ, I'll just run some optical cable over to wherever your JSG servers are, and .. oh, no, can't do that either. Why? "Policy", last time I asked. As I said in an earlier post to NZNOG, it's just Business As Usual. And you can't blame Telecom for it, they're just trying to protect their stock price and dividend, it's what they're legally obliged to do! It is, however, the job of the government to point at corporate interests and say "Oi! You're in a monopolistic position with regards to this resource, and we're _ordering_ you to do something that you naturally wouldn't do and open it up to others!" That didn't happen, though, did it? I am beginning to agree with other users on this thread. Let's put some alternate infrastructre in place and get some competition going. Woosh wireless manage to offer a flat-rate 256Kbits/sec connection over _cellular_ equipment for chrissakes! No cables AND it's portable! ICONZ Wireless on Waiheke offers 2Mbits/sec symmetical wireless connections, the largest of which offer 10GB of _international_ access for less than $99/month and throws in free totally unmetered line-speed flat-rate domestic access and that's _RETAIL_, not a pretend wholesale product. Sod this ADSL thing - it's damage - route around it. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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Telecom a Joke
by Terence 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Three weeks ago I put an order in for Jetstream, for our Richmond Office. Just thought I would call to find out what was happening with the connection. Xtra said that they have run out of ports at the exchange and that I am in a waiting queue for one to come available. They will give no time or date, or if they are going to upgrade the exchange. How much profit did they make last year ?. What about some re investment. Disclaimer : These figures could be wrong 795 mil profit 4 mil people. Annoyed Terence Blyth Managing Director Computer Technologies Ltd 19 Alma Street Box 584, Nelson New Zealand Phone ++ 643 545 9001 Fax ++ 643 545 9002 www.ctec.co.nz PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information, which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this email and you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the email to the addressee), please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately.

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Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by Hamish MacEwan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hurrah JSR! > A key point here is not to think about what most people currently do > with their internet connection, it's to think about what they _could_ > be doing if they had _real_ broadband. The lost opportunities from > this lack of connectivity is the thing that people ought to really be > mad about. Exactly. I've met a number of people who deny they have even a Claytons broadband connection in ADSL, since they are unable to use it for fear of exceeding their capacity to enrich Telecom. The 10GB cap on the leisurely 256K we are to be doled out amounts to about a 14% duty-cycle. And I'm bemused as to the location of the "unbundling" in UBS? It looks more and more like it it well and truly bundled to avoid the inconvenience of competition for Telecom. > I am beginning to agree with other users on this thread. Let's put some > alternate infrastructre in place and get some competition going. You ever disagreed with that? Hope truly springs eternal... > Sod this ADSL thing - it's damage - route around it. <grin>, a line from a Digital Strategy response I'm working on: "The Internet was designed for resilience and its ability to route around damage is legend. This ability has often been interpreted to indicate that whatever the Internet routes around is damage, as in the classic, "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." The Internet may provide a way to route around the legacy "Last mile," and the closed proprietary Central Office." > JSR Hamish. -- The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better.

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Unbudled Bitstream
by Steve Schmidt 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I heard that TCNZ have changed the details of the UBS service and that now it will be a capped 10gb service. Anyone else know anything about this. Regards Steven Schmidt. CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is intended to be read only by the named recipient(s). It may contain information that is confidential, proprietary or the subject of legal privilege. This information is not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. Do not use any information contained in it.

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RE: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by Seeby Woodhouse 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Although the 'new' UBS DSL deal is not as good as the original deal, nor as flexible, I should point out that the traffic limit of 10GB that Telecom has imposed is an AGGREGATE traffic limit across all the users, not a 10GB limit PER user. Currently our JetStream Starter customer base does not use anywhere near 10GB of traffic on average, so hopefully this isn't something that we'll have to worry about. (crosses my fingers that we don't ever go over our limit, and that the overage fees don't get set at 20c/meg) Cheers Seeby -----Original Message----- From: Keith Davidson [mailto:keith(a)wise.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:32 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream Certainly appears to be the case. See www.orcon.co.nz/company/press/54318/ text follows below. Keith Davidson ________________ "11th August 2004 - New Bitstream plans to remain unchanged On the 27th of July 2004, Orcon released a new, truly affordable 256k Flat rate residential broadband service for $49.95/mth based on the released 'Bitstream' wholesale DSL specification from Telecom. Two week's after Orcon's product release, Telecom have decided to change the specification by imposing a 10GB average traffic limit per user, and an agreement not to promote static IP addresses with the service. Orcon will honor the initial plans offered to customers at our cost, despite the changes that have been made. Orcon is currently the second largest provider of JetStream DSL in NZ, and was the first company to negotiate a Wholesale Services Agreement (WSA) with Telecom for a broad range of services. Orcon has been eagerly awaiting the wholesale DSL portion of the WSA to be finalised, as we believe that we can offer the consumer significantly better deals than are currently available. The moment Telecom told us of their planned Wholesale DSL (UBS) product in early July, we created pricing plans for our own DSL product (based on the Wholesale DSL components we would purchase from Telecom) and set about launching an advertising campaign based on these initial figures - taking a bet that Telecom's final wholesale pricing to us would either be the same or better than the initial figures. The supposed 'final' UBS specification was released by Telecom on 26th July, and as we had guessed, was slightly better than their initial proposal. Our ads for flat rate 256k DSL with a static IP address at the all-inclusive price of $49.95 started to come out a day later. As far as we were concerned, Telecom had finalised the wholesale deal for DSL that they would offer to us, and we had successfully launched our product. After a couple of weeks, with many thousands of advertising dollars already spent, and several hundred new DSL customer signed up, Telecom told us that the UBS specification they had come up with was going to be changed. Specifically, the 'flat-rate' nature of the product and the ability to advertise static IP addresses. We don't know whether the fact that Orcon came out with our flat-rate and static IP address product had anything to do with Telecom changing the specification to withdraw these capabilities, however no other ISPs had come out with any other offering, and therefore our product was seen as a 'reference' product in the market. However - As a champion for affordable broadband, Orcon has decided to wear the 10GB excess traffic charges at our cost so that we can continue to offer a flat rate product, and we will also honor the static IP address for users who have already signed up from an existing promotion wherever possible. We believe that it should the ISPs choice whether to offer Static IP addresses or provide a truly flat-rate service. Seeby Woodhouse MD Orcon Internet Limited" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt(a)compass.net.nz> To: "nznog" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream > > I heard that TCNZ have changed the details of the UBS service and that > now it will be a capped 10gb service. Anyone else know anything about > this. > > Regards > Steven Schmidt. > _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Updaet (2004-08-11)
by Craig Whitmore 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file). Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 60.234.0.0/16 le 24 Regards, Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet Network Operations

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6509 Chassis
by J S Russell 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Does anyone on this list have access to a bare Cisco 6509 chassis (preferably also with at least one 240V PSU module installed if possible, but it's not necessary) which they'd be willing to part with in exchange for some combination of dollars and/or a populated Cisco 5513 chassis (Sup2, three 24x10/100 planes, spare Sup1) and/or a lot of beer? If you have one, or could help me at all, please do let me know. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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