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Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by Hamish MacEwan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hurrah JSR! > A key point here is not to think about what most people currently do > with their internet connection, it's to think about what they _could_ > be doing if they had _real_ broadband. The lost opportunities from > this lack of connectivity is the thing that people ought to really be > mad about. Exactly. I've met a number of people who deny they have even a Claytons broadband connection in ADSL, since they are unable to use it for fear of exceeding their capacity to enrich Telecom. The 10GB cap on the leisurely 256K we are to be doled out amounts to about a 14% duty-cycle. And I'm bemused as to the location of the "unbundling" in UBS? It looks more and more like it it well and truly bundled to avoid the inconvenience of competition for Telecom. > I am beginning to agree with other users on this thread. Let's put some > alternate infrastructre in place and get some competition going. You ever disagreed with that? Hope truly springs eternal... > Sod this ADSL thing - it's damage - route around it. <grin>, a line from a Digital Strategy response I'm working on: "The Internet was designed for resilience and its ability to route around damage is legend. This ability has often been interpreted to indicate that whatever the Internet routes around is damage, as in the classic, "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." The Internet may provide a way to route around the legacy "Last mile," and the closed proprietary Central Office." > JSR Hamish. -- The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better.

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Unbudled Bitstream
by Steve Schmidt 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I heard that TCNZ have changed the details of the UBS service and that now it will be a capped 10gb service. Anyone else know anything about this. Regards Steven Schmidt. CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is intended to be read only by the named recipient(s). It may contain information that is confidential, proprietary or the subject of legal privilege. This information is not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. Do not use any information contained in it.

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RE: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by Seeby Woodhouse 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Although the 'new' UBS DSL deal is not as good as the original deal, nor as flexible, I should point out that the traffic limit of 10GB that Telecom has imposed is an AGGREGATE traffic limit across all the users, not a 10GB limit PER user. Currently our JetStream Starter customer base does not use anywhere near 10GB of traffic on average, so hopefully this isn't something that we'll have to worry about. (crosses my fingers that we don't ever go over our limit, and that the overage fees don't get set at 20c/meg) Cheers Seeby -----Original Message----- From: Keith Davidson [mailto:keith(a)wise.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:32 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream Certainly appears to be the case. See www.orcon.co.nz/company/press/54318/ text follows below. Keith Davidson ________________ "11th August 2004 - New Bitstream plans to remain unchanged On the 27th of July 2004, Orcon released a new, truly affordable 256k Flat rate residential broadband service for $49.95/mth based on the released 'Bitstream' wholesale DSL specification from Telecom. Two week's after Orcon's product release, Telecom have decided to change the specification by imposing a 10GB average traffic limit per user, and an agreement not to promote static IP addresses with the service. Orcon will honor the initial plans offered to customers at our cost, despite the changes that have been made. Orcon is currently the second largest provider of JetStream DSL in NZ, and was the first company to negotiate a Wholesale Services Agreement (WSA) with Telecom for a broad range of services. Orcon has been eagerly awaiting the wholesale DSL portion of the WSA to be finalised, as we believe that we can offer the consumer significantly better deals than are currently available. The moment Telecom told us of their planned Wholesale DSL (UBS) product in early July, we created pricing plans for our own DSL product (based on the Wholesale DSL components we would purchase from Telecom) and set about launching an advertising campaign based on these initial figures - taking a bet that Telecom's final wholesale pricing to us would either be the same or better than the initial figures. The supposed 'final' UBS specification was released by Telecom on 26th July, and as we had guessed, was slightly better than their initial proposal. Our ads for flat rate 256k DSL with a static IP address at the all-inclusive price of $49.95 started to come out a day later. As far as we were concerned, Telecom had finalised the wholesale deal for DSL that they would offer to us, and we had successfully launched our product. After a couple of weeks, with many thousands of advertising dollars already spent, and several hundred new DSL customer signed up, Telecom told us that the UBS specification they had come up with was going to be changed. Specifically, the 'flat-rate' nature of the product and the ability to advertise static IP addresses. We don't know whether the fact that Orcon came out with our flat-rate and static IP address product had anything to do with Telecom changing the specification to withdraw these capabilities, however no other ISPs had come out with any other offering, and therefore our product was seen as a 'reference' product in the market. However - As a champion for affordable broadband, Orcon has decided to wear the 10GB excess traffic charges at our cost so that we can continue to offer a flat rate product, and we will also honor the static IP address for users who have already signed up from an existing promotion wherever possible. We believe that it should the ISPs choice whether to offer Static IP addresses or provide a truly flat-rate service. Seeby Woodhouse MD Orcon Internet Limited" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Schmidt" <sschmidt(a)compass.net.nz> To: "nznog" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream > > I heard that TCNZ have changed the details of the UBS service and that > now it will be a capped 10gb service. Anyone else know anything about > this. > > Regards > Steven Schmidt. > _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Updaet (2004-08-11)
by Craig Whitmore 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file). Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 60.234.0.0/16 le 24 Regards, Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet Network Operations

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6509 Chassis
by J S Russell 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Does anyone on this list have access to a bare Cisco 6509 chassis (preferably also with at least one 240V PSU module installed if possible, but it's not necessary) which they'd be willing to part with in exchange for some combination of dollars and/or a populated Cisco 5513 chassis (Sup2, three 24x10/100 planes, spare Sup1) and/or a lot of beer? If you have one, or could help me at all, please do let me know. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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nzWireless peering update
by Andrew Tipton 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

For those peering with us on WIX, we have added a new prefix (203.110.28.0/23). Full list: ip prefix-list nzwireless description nzWireless WIX prefixes <andrew.tipton(a)nzwireless.co.nz> ip prefix-list nzwireless seq 10 permit 210.54.151.0/24 le 29 ip prefix-list nzwireless seq 20 permit 203.110.28.0/23 le 29 -- Andrew Tipton Network Engineer nzWireless Ltd (04) 471-0905 (0211) 595-561

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RE: [nznog] APE Funnys - ISC Peering
by Craig Spiers 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Yep, we do.. They requested we configure it about two months ago.. Actually, That about fits the picture.. Don't think it happened before the passwords were configured.. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2004 1:08 p.m. To: Craig Spiers Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Funnys - ISC Peering Do you have md5 passwords setup? or perhaps they think you do? On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Craig Spiers wrote: > Anyone else seeing these errors? Happens every few minutes. Has been for a > couple of months now.. (ISC is the only peer I see these with - both > connections) > > > .Aug 10 12:42:51.304 +1200: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 192.203.154.99 Down > BGP Notification sent > .Aug 10 12:42:51.304 +1200: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor > 192.203.154.99 4/0 (hold time expired) 0 bytes > .Aug 10 12:43:23.328 +1200: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor 192.203.154.99 Up > > Cheers > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS24111 as-name: NZRR-AS24111 descr: NZwireless descr: initially peering at '202.7.1.69' descr: see Citylink RT job #929 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS24111 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: andrew.tipton(a)nzwireless.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040810 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 203.110.28.0/23 descr: Route for NZwireless - AS24111 origin: AS24111 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: andrew.tipton(a)nzwireless.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040810 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 210.54.151.0/24 descr: Route for NZwireless - AS24111 origin: AS24111 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: andrew.tipton(a)nzwireless.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040810 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS24111 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by NZwireless - AS24111 members: 203.110.28.0/23^23-29, 210.54.151.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: andrew.tipton(a)nzwireless.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040810 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:56:55 +1200 (NZST) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408101055140.13273(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9872 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by Actrix - AS9872 members: 202.27.48.0/21^21-24, 202.49.152.0/21^21-24, 202.154.128.0/19^19-24, 203.96.16.0/20^20-24, 203.96.48.0/20^20-24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: mikej(a)connections.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040809 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9872 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by Actrix - AS9872 members: 202.154.128.0/19^19-24, 203.96.16.0/20^20-24, 203.96.48.0/20^20-24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: mikej(a)connections.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040809 changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040810 source: NZRR

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TEST - PLEASE IGNORE
by J S Russell 08 Aug '04

08 Aug '04

I've suddenly realised that I haven't seen any NZNOG posts for some time. So this is a test. Please ignore. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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