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RE: [nznog] Google and MaxNet
by Regan Murphy 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

> In the past, caching has made some sense for accelerating > content to clients. I like it when I download a service pack from microsoft (for example) and the 100MB comes in at 20Mbps instead of the 512kbps that my international pipe is limited to. The fact that it may only technically be local traffic but I get charged for international traffic makes no difference because I would have no choice but to be paying international rates if there was no cache. When security/antivirus vendors release patches and updates is there a large increase in international bandwidth use or do the caches assist there? Caching must also be good for sites where there limited bandwith is at the server end too. -- Regan

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RE: [nznog] Google and MaxNet
by Gordon Smith 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

Hahaha... but they were better than some of the other commercial offerings out there. I have heard good things about the more recent squid code (haven't tried it though) - but who wants to maintain bypass lists just because users want to use dodgy web software :-( > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2004 1:23 p.m. > To: 'David Fox'; 'Steve' > Cc: 'NZ Network Operators Group' > Subject: RE: [nznog] Google and MaxNet > > > Well, maybe it's just that Cacheflows suck ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Fox [mailto:foxy(a)morenet.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2004 1:12 p.m. > To: Steve > Cc: NZ Network Operators Group > Subject: RE: [nznog] Google and MaxNet > > > I agree wholeheartedly with Steve comments below, the cost saving is > negligible while the required resource to administer was > high. I redeployed > my cache to a new position in our network: it is working very > well as a > footrest under my desk. > > I found removing the cache actually improved overall performance, my > customers - and even managers - noticed the improvement ... > some of them > even rang to say Thanks (that makes a change!) > > David >

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RE: [nznog] Google and MaxNet
by Gordon Smith 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

I don't think its so much particular brands that are an issue, but rather the sheer volume of poorly designed websites. With the popularity of MS Word & Frontpage, there seems to be a lot of ignorance relating to the W3C standards. In the past, caching has made some sense for accelerating content to clients. As far as bandwidth savings go, I've never seen that achieved to the point that it made them worthwhile in that role. They can improve performance as perceived by the customer, but bypass lists rapidly become unwieldy when trying to compensate for sites that don't adhere to standards. Overall, in terms of TCO, they're probably not worth having in place any more Cheers, Gordon > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2004 1:13 p.m. > To: Alastair Johnson > Cc: NZ Network Operators Group > Subject: Re: [nznog] Google and MaxNet > > > So which caches have people had success/hassle with? > > -- > Juha

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Re: [nznog] Google and MaxNet
by neil gardner 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

>>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org> 9/06/2004 12:52:46 p.m. >>> >Akamai has nodes in New Zealand, though. Or are you suggesting that NZ >ISPs routinely cache domestic content as well as content from overseas? >Joe Well they might have to start caching Domestic traffic shortly if Peering goes the way the big players would like it to go. Cheers - N. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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Transparent Caching (was Google and Maxnet)
by Templeman Colin 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

A good topic! I 'discovered' transparent proxies recently when I was trying to resolve a problem I had obtaining security patches from security.debian.org via http. Other than having recently changed to cable broadband via Telstraclear, nothing (including apt sources) was altered, yet I was getting timeouts. After a couple of weeks of this, I eventually provided a comparison of latency output from 'ping' vs 'hping' to security.debian.org before the call was tacitly acknowledged and the problem silently fixed. I agree with Joe that they are an overhead when it comes to managing exceptions. -- Colin Templeman Security Analyst IT Risk and Security New Zealand Post Ltd This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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.nz Registry Directors
by Keith Davidson 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

Hello, Please pardon the intrusion to the NZNOG list. InternetNZ's subsidiary company, New Zealand Domain Name Registry Ltd, (NZRS) is responsible for operating the registry for the .nz namespace. This Company is governed by a board comprising 5 directors. Two directors retire by rotation at the Annual Meeting on 30 July 2004. Both retiring directors have declared themselves available for re-election. InternetNZ wishes to invite applications from others who believe they may have specific skills that would be advantageous to the Company. A full description of the position and skill sets being sought is available at www.internetnz.net.nz/public/registry/reg040606directors.html. Applications close on Monday 14 June 2004 (PLEASE NOTE - the web page states 11 June, but is in the process of being amended), and should be addressed to president(a)internetnz.net.nz or President, InternetNZ, P O Box 11-881, Wellington. Thanks Keith Davidson President - InternetNZ

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Team Cymru Darknet Project
by Rob Thomas 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, team. We are happy to at last release some documentation on Darknets and the Team Cymru Darknet Project. You will find the details at the following URL: <http://www.cymru.com/Darknet/> We hope this helps you to gain greater insight into your networks and the flows on them. Comments, feedback, and coffee are always welcome! :) Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. - -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.2 iQCVAwUBQL/XxlkX3QAo5sgJAQFBLwP/akP6qwmfg0y20wPRmX0QuOENh0NU4fhN N7LFdPqnYU3jJv6MgAR7J/u2snLmpC1RLZLkSvEFx4OtiYqqdVci4/9jT4D+M9nU qxERosZJhS65zZCExMEMJLEATWpr29pONEEBFbHBZgNYMDhee+fgDB6/GaEqY/Cr Y0qNvD0KRs4= =mm6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Queenstown
by K. Anand Lal 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi, ihug is looking to upgrade it's Queenstown POP and as part of the upgrade we are considering a physical move to a better site. Is anyone aware of a telehousing facility located in central Queenstown? We will supply our own UPS and 19" enclosure. Appreciate any help. -- K. Anand Lal ph: +64.9.3592767 Engineering Manager fax: +64.9.3581518 The Internet Group (ihug) Ltd. noc: +64.9.3592708

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '04

31 May '04

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Re: [nznog] TC & T Possible Peering changes
by neil gardner 30 May '04

30 May '04

>>> Simon Lyall <simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz> 28/05/2004 2:24:47 p.m. >>> No, they'll change their terms and conditions so that National traffic is no longer free and is instead part of your quota. [snip] Yeah, I knew this would probably be the way they handled it. Thanks Telecom and TelstraClear, for between you managing to keep cheap high speed Internet a far off dream. Cheers - N. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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