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RE: [nznog] WorldXChange
by Gordon Smith 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Thats probably because national peering isn't up yet :-) Cheers, Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Craig Spiers [mailto:craig(a)concept.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 2 July 2004 2:37 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] WorldXChange Anyone from WXC on this mailing list? Your domestic traffic is being routed via australia.. :)

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WorldXChange
by Craig Spiers 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Anyone from WXC on this mailing list? Your domestic traffic is being routed via australia.. :)

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ECM UPS - Support
by Mark Piper 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Good morning, Sorry if this is a bit offtopic. I am urgently trying to find a contact for someone who sells and/or provides support for ECM UPS equipment. Any contact details would be appreciated. Best Regards, -- Mark Piper SolNet Solutions Limited L12, SolNet House, 70 The Terrace PO Box 397, Wellington, New Zealand DDI +64 4 462 5089 Office +64 4 462 5000, Fax +64 4 462 5012 www.solnetsolutions.co.nz

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Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
by Matthew Poole 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

A number of people are reporting difficulties accessing the Debian mirror at ftp.citylink. FTPing in from IHUG or Max (and apparently from Xtra, and I'd guess anyone else who transits via GGI) gets the following message: 550- ISP Routing Error 550- 550- Your ISP's access to local New Zealand content is currently 550- broken. Please contact your ISP and advise them that they 550- may well be able to fix this problem for you by peering with 550- the route servers and/or other ISPs at the APE or the WIX. 550- 550- The server you have connected to is not within New Zealand. 550- In order to protect you from prohibitive international 550- traffic charges, you will not be able to access the resources 550- you were looking for, here. 550- 550- We apologise for any inconvenience. 550 Now, we all expect Xtra/Telecom to play nasty games with domestic traffic, but can anyone shed light on why "good" ISPs such as the Hug or Max aren't doing the domestic peering thing? Are we starting to see preemptive peering termination by ISPs who're preparing for the day when the two Ts stop playing the game? On the other side, are we now seeing a trend towards content providers playing a political game to try and reverse the swing away from peering? Obviously Citylink are far more involved at the peering level than nearly any other content provider, but blocking access to content mirrors under the guise of protecting the consumer(when in reality it's protecting the provider) is not a good way to make friends.

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

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RE: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
by Craig Humphrey 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Newbie alert! We're connected directly to GGI, what are our options (if any) for peering with APE/WIX? Later'ish Craig [don't ask, we have more politics than the Behive...] > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:38 AM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI? > > > A number of people are reporting difficulties accessing the > Debian mirror > at ftp.citylink. > > FTPing in from IHUG or Max (and apparently from Xtra, and I'd guess > anyone else who transits via GGI) gets the following message: > 550- ISP Routing Error > 550- > 550- Your ISP's access to local New Zealand content is currently > 550- broken. Please contact your ISP and advise them that they > 550- may well be able to fix this problem for you by peering with > 550- the route servers and/or other ISPs at the APE or the WIX. > 550- > 550- The server you have connected to is not within New Zealand. > 550- In order to protect you from prohibitive international > 550- traffic charges, you will not be able to access the resources > 550- you were looking for, here. > 550- > 550- We apologise for any inconvenience. > 550 > > Now, we all expect Xtra/Telecom to play nasty games with > domestic traffic, > but can anyone shed light on why "good" ISPs such as the Hug > or Max aren't > doing the domestic peering thing? Are we starting to see preemptive > peering termination by ISPs who're preparing for the day when > the two Ts > stop playing the game? > > On the other side, are we now seeing a trend towards content providers > playing a political game to try and reverse the swing away > from peering? > Obviously Citylink are far more involved at the peering level > than nearly > any other content provider, but blocking access to content > mirrors under > the guise of protecting the consumer(when in reality it's > protecting the > provider) is not a good way to make friends. > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: RE: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
by Jonny Martin 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

I would have thought that taking users to the content is a far better approach in this instance. Mirroring the content at APE serves only to strengthen the Auckland-centric nature of the NZ internet. Cheers, Jonny. > > Well what about hosting a mirror in APE? If anyone could provide the > > space in Sky tower I have a spare box which could be used for an APE > > mirror and I don't mind maintaining it. Still getting the data from WIX > > to APE would incur a cost somewhere and seeing as my Orcon link also > > seems to route international, this isn't a possibility. > > > > I've asked the Same as well.. >

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Re: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
by Ewen McNeill 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0406301004510.32463(a)babylon.blakjak.net>, Matthew Poole writes: >On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Matthew Poole wrote: >Which is doubly frustrating, since it means that nobody who wants anything >faster than a 128k connection in the vast majority of the country has any >chance to use peered traffic - Cable=Paradise=TelstraClear, and >Jetstream fullrate or Jetstream Surf=Telecom. FWIW, it is possible to reach the (WIX-based) ftp.citylink.co.nz server from Paradise/TelstraClear cable: -=- cut here -=- ewen(a)basilica:~ $ ftp ftp.citylink.co.nz Connected to ftp.citylink.co.nz. 220 (vsFTPd 1.2.1) Name (ftp.citylink.co.nz:ewen): anonymous 331 Please specify the password. Password: 230 Login successful. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. 150 Here comes the directory listing. -rw-r--r-- 1 1004 1004 53894917 Jun 15 2003 OOo_1.0.3.1_Win32Intel_install.zip lrwxrwxrwx 1 1004 1004 7 May 26 09:44 OpenBSD -> openbsd drwxr-xr-x 12 1004 1004 1032 Jun 29 11:19 backports drwxr-xr-x 9 1004 1004 512 Jun 28 19:33 debian drwxr-xr-x 6 1004 1004 264 Nov 20 2003 debian-non-US drwxr-xr-x 5 1004 1004 192 Jun 29 16:02 debian-security [....] -=- cut here -=- So if you do have a choice between Paradise/TelstraClear cable and Jetstream and reaching the Citylink FTP server is important to you, you may wish to take that into account. Providers of high volume free content (such as the Citylink FTP server) are left in a somewhat difficult position -- either they do something like this (ie offer it on WIX for anyone who can reach WIX), or they somehow try to find enough money to pay for big enough links to reach everyone, or they just give up and don't offer anything at all. Given how popular ftp.citylink.co.nz probably is, and how much traffic that likely involves, I doubt that (after paying for all the mirroring costs, admin time, etc) Citylink's generosity can extend to paying for "domestic transit" links to all the people who might want to use it. Offering it free on WIX to anyone that can reach it seems like the next best thing to me. The "the content is here, come and get it" incentive is just an added bonus over the link cost savings. And I for one am pleased they chose to continue offering the FTP site even if access is not as NZ wide as it was before. Downloading at 2Mbps (Paradise cable) or 100Mbps (WIX) sure beats slower international downloads. Ewen

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Re: [nznog] Routing funky-ness to WIX via GGI?
by Liz Q 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

> Well what about hosting a mirror in APE? If anyone could provide the > space in Sky tower I have a spare box which could be used for an APE > mirror and I don't mind maintaining it. Still getting the data from WIX > to APE would incur a cost somewhere and seeing as my Orcon link also > seems to route international, this isn't a possibility. > > Barry I have a box already at orcon doing mirror of a fair few things already - i have the drive space for more easily Liz

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F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET
by Barry Murphy 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Thinking of this whole routing issue. What's going to happen with the F Root server? If I remember correctly Telstra Clear helped make it happen and sponsored something (Maybe bandwidth or rack space?), what will happen here. Seeing as Telstra will be dropping links to APE, I'm guessing all their customers will be routing internationally for their F-root? Barry

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