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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Richard Naylor 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

At 11:08 a.m. 29/12/2003 +1300, Tony Wicks wrote: >I hate to be a stick in the mud, but once you have your Auckland to >Wellington fiber, you will then need a second one to back it up for the >times that someone dig's it up while putting in a new drain. And then >getting across the cook straight etc etc. Couldn't agree more Tony. I just wanted to show how "cheap" it was, but also that there is a market for it. I was going to say "if only someone had the time" but Roger did and has (almost) done it. I also think we need to add to this discussion that its easy to talk about building a network, but running one needs a certain experience that isn't easy to get hold of. There's a huge difference between running a few routers/wireless nodes and a network. We struggle with this at CityLink. A utility network just thinks differently and works differently and does things differently. Just because you can use a handycam, it doesn't mean you can run a TV station. Equally, just because you have a few routers, servers and wireless link, doesn't mean you can run a network. I learned a HUGE amount and have HUGE respect for the guys I worked for in the power industry for 14 years. I hope I use that learning well. Yes DO build networks, but look at how the others OPERATE. rich Tony is so right about the cable getting cut. You have to be aware it IS going to happen. We once had teh same substation catch fire twice on ONE week end (we could change the whole sub with a crane - kerbside kiosk type). Equally just after spending 3 night shifting our first CityLink node (about 5-600 fiber ccts) a major cable got cut. You have to have spares for multiple hits, have the resources (people) and proceedures so that things get done even when you're a zombie. I worked 120 hours that week on 9 hrs sleep - 2 of which were in my bed. The cut was on june 13, 2003 - a friday.

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Fwd: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Michael Hallager 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

I can supply a high speed reliable wireless connection to any of six local schools, at a speed that exceeds "broadband" at a price far cheaper and a level of service far better, then any government scheme can. Whether I wish to put up with teachers and BOT's left wing stance that I owe it to them... for free (Almost)... is another matter. > I also think that if the telecoms providers and ISPs of NZ can't build > and operate a network for schools / police / fire service / whatever > that meets their requirements, then the government itself should build > such a network. > > I say this becasue today we spend billions on stuffing Telecom NZ's and > TelstraClear's pockets.....and the profit alone on that service would > build a kick-ass national network that would meet the infrastructural > aims and goals I have in mind. > > We have seen so far in NZ that private network providers - mainly > Telecom, but they aren't alone - are likely more expensive in the medium > and long term - at the end of the day - than a publicly-funded, > cost-recovery network would be. > > As Richard naylor has said: Why not just do it yourself? > > Is that a question to individuals only? Or could the people of New > Zealand hear that quesiton and respond? > > I agree that deregulation presented opportunity.....but where is the > competition we were supposed to see? > > It isn't there....and Telecom NZ remains the most profitable telco in > the OECD - pound for inch....and mainly becasue they were gifted - by > Richard Prebble - a publicly funded and built infrastructure that no one > else today can afford to match. > > I'll be quiet now. -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624 ------------------------------------------------------- -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Is anyone else receiving the below message *every* time they post? Or is this just Craig continuing on his little tantrum? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: DBMAIL: delivery failure Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23 From: postmaster(a)concept.net.nz To: michael(a)vivid.net.nz This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program. I'm sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to will(a)concept.net.nz, could not be delivered due to the following error. *** E-mail address will(a)concept.net.nz is not known here. *** If you think this message is incorrect please contact postmaster(a)concept.net.nz. Header of your message follows... --- header of your message --- Received: (qmail 31143 invoked by uid 511); 28 Dec 2003 10:23:49 -0000 Received: from nznog-bounces+will=concept.net.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz by smtp.nz.conceptnetworks.net by uid 502 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (sophie: 3.04/2.17/3.74. spamassassin: 2.60. Clear:RC:0(130.217.66.62):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. Processed in 3.915547 secs); 28 Dec 2003 10:23:49 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (130.217.66.62) by smtp.nz.conceptnetworks.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 10:23:45 -0000 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BD5127D05; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (mailserv.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.61]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A253127CFA for <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:05 +1300 (NZDT) X-Envelope-From: michael(a)vivid.net.nz X-Envelope-To: <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Received: from dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (loadbalancer-VIP.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.2]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBSAN4mu002510 for <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:05 +1300 Received: from port-219-88-255-22.orcon.net.nz (port-219-88-255-22.orcon.net.nz [219.88.255.22]) by dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hBSAJtBV006000; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:19:56 +1300 From: Michael Hallager <michael(a)vivid.net.nz> Organization: networkStuff ltd To: Robert McDonald <rob(a)nzpages.net> Subject: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:26:40 +1300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031228083857.00F7A82795(a)smtp-1.paradise.net.nz> <1072602335.18746.7.camel(a)tbird> <200312282246.02855.rob(a)nzpages.net> In-Reply-To: <200312282246.02855.rob(a)nzpages.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312282326.40081.michael(a)vivid.net.nz> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Cc: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael(a)vivid.net.nz List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> --- end of header --- . ------------------------------------------------------- -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

> This may be true for you and your community, but where I live, where lots > of people can't get stable modem connections, and can't connect faster than > say 14.4K, there are people screaming for alternatives. We have lots of > wireless "home" customers for lots and lots of different reasons, and most > of them are not in the geek category. Our community is extremely low > density population pockets, and delivering wireless over extremely diverse > topography presents extreme challenges, and in many cases the up to $20K > installation costs are offputting to the customer. Problem: If you can't get better then 14.4k connections, how are you going to internet feed your wireless POP? Telecom does not install frame connections on poor copper due to QOS SLA's. That is where the 20k install cost comes from. (Which I guess you are well aware of). Though given all of the costs involved, do you actually make money supplying home users in low density population areas?

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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Tristram Cheer 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I'm yet to see a school in Wellington that has access to ADSL that isn't on it, I don't speak for all schools in NZ just the 90% I IT knowledge of their layout. Regards -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 11:12 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:38, Tristram Cheer wrote: > Most School are already on ADSL already, most in Wellington clock up A LOT > (Re: 5 figure's) of traffic so I doubt the amount of business gained would > counterbalance the loss of income from schools moving from ADSL to Wifi > Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know > > Tristram Most schools are not on DSL. Probably in excess of 90% are on dialup. Which has known monthly cost of ~$27.00 vs ???? on DSL. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7qxve/+/JCBbkYgRAuzAAJ4w2KD1n5zv09wLD88N50IeBg9bhgCeNWUQ xMBju1RjVgyOBJVmFpa/xNE= =KwtC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Tristram Cheer 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

4 - That's the lite version. The point it is that it's possible - its not the nicest of routing table I give you that but its possible Regards Tristram -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:52 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! 4 is not quite hundreds. -----Original Message----- From: Tristram Cheer [mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:49 p.m. To: nzog(a)road.gen.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! www.fatpipeinc.com It is possible - Novell Small Business Suite 6 Include's FatPipe Internet which allows for 4 connections to be combined as one, with load balancing Regards Tristram -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:43 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! ah, guys, I hate to point out the blaringly obvious, but you can't just get 100x128k (or more) connections and stick them together and think you have 12 meg of real bandwidth. It just doesn't work that way, there is no device that load balances 100 (or more !) http (or whatever) connections out lots of little pipes, and if there was it would be utterly chaotic and unworkable. Also remember, ISP's only survive because they can oversell the wholesale bandwith they buy. When you buy your 128k Jetstart connection, your are NOT buying 128k of Internet dedicated to you. If all the users used all of their bandwith ALL ISP's would go broke in a matter of months. -----Original Message----- From: Don Gould - BVC [mailto:dig(a)bvc.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:38 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! Hi Mark, On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:50:00 +1300 (NZDT), Mark Foster wrote > http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,100633-200550,00.html Thanks for the reference. > "If you are acquiring our Jetstream service for private, residential > purposes".... I had a quick look at those T&C and it didn't seem to indicate that there were any conditions placed on what I do with the service. As I understand it Telecom has been challanged on issues like this before with relation to their telephone service where small businesses are operating from home. > Where the service is being obtained for a purpose that doesnt fit > into the above the t&c for business customers comes into affect- > and jetstream starter is a residential product, can only be given > to residential customers. What is the difference between a business and residential service? In Australia most people seem to agree that it's the level of back up you can expect. If something breaks business customers get seen to first - are we so different here? > As much as Rob's comment looks like FUD there's an element of truth. 100% Agree. Most FUD always has an element of truth... let me give you an example... What do you think would happen if Telecom were to sue (as suggested by Robert) a New Zealand family for sharing part of their JetStart connection with their local school? Would the kids give up their $10 a month TXT and be content with using a little less txt on a Vodafone mobile and then tell all their friends to do the same? (I won't even go into the field day that Vodafone would have with that one!) Would the family cancel their ADSL account, Sky Accont and home phone line accounts then switch to Telstra cable, with their pay tv offering and then tell all their relations to do the same? Would mum and dad put preasure on their employers to move their data, mobile and voice services away from Telecom and to another provider? Could 800 Students ranging in age from 12 to 17 have a huge impact on a telephone company if said telephone company started to sue them... [1] > Schools are businesses and are charged business rates. Schools are in the business of teaching our children. Those children go on to become the future of New Zealand. Children are some of the biggest buyers of telecommunication products and services - least Telecom forget that. > Telecom also > cut them various deals to get online as economically as possible. Thanks for the info. Cheers DiG [1] Have a quick look at what's happening in the US where families have been sued by the music industry - suing a child does not make you look good in the press! -- Don Gould The technology exists to give every home 10mbits per second for $10 per month! Ask not what your telephone company should do for you... ...but what you can do for your broadband community! _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Ewen McNeill 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

In message <20031227043006.M87348(a)bvc.com.au>, "Don Gould - BVC" writes: On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:16:11 +1300, Simon Blake wrote >> <shrug> Stand for your council, and make a difference - if you could >> get 1% of the cash spent on Auckland roads spent on Auckland fibre >> to the home, you'd be awash in high speed data. > >Now that makes sense! How often to councils have elections? Every three years; the next set is next year (2004) IIRC. And for those that think Simon is joking, he's not. Even if you can't get any budget set aside for installing fibre, just ensuring that council ducts are put in each time the road is opened up for some other reason (eg, Wellington has some large holes in the CBD at present for upgrading the storm water system -- it'd be a shame if they were closed up again without ducts having been put in alongside), and some sensible approach for operators to gain access to those council ducts would make a huge difference. For that matter coordinating the installation of wiring/ducts/etc into the roads, so that the costs of digging is shared, would help -- especially if it were made a condition of any road works permits. And you could probably sell it to the public on reduced inconvenience (eg, road only dug up once in 6 months, rather than three times) alone. Some councils (eg, Wellington) have special coordination teams to help movies be made around the town; it seems to me that a similar amount of money spent on a few clueful people to coordinate shared ducts, shared digging, etc, would achieve similarly large rewards for relatively little money. Ewen

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Re: right of reply.
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I have plenty of email correspondence (And several phonecalls) from Craig after that meeting, including a quote, a request to buy a Cisco WIC1T from me, an offer of free Cisco IOS software (Which I didn't take) and yet another bad mouth gossip peice about a company he has since jumped in to bed with. Craig has not taken up my offer to discuss his claimed problem in private, as he does not have a problem, merely a well deserved reputation for bad mouthing people, including other list members, with LIES in private, and now public forums. I am fully aware that I am one of many people on the receiving end of Craigs lies and gossip. As for Wills post, he is an employee of ConceptNet, hardly "independant contribution". Given Craigs OWN reputation I find it astonishing that he "throws stones in a glass house". > Oh go away. > > If you want to discuss this privately, do so. It is not list material. > > I refused to answer your phonecalls after that meeting for a reason. > > THE END. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:40 a.m. > To: Craig Spiers > Cc: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: right of reply. > > You were very happy to quote me for an internet connection only 3 months > ago. > > The only thing that has happened since then is that I went to Net4U rather > then your company - ConceptNet. > > Excluding limited internet connectivity, my business is fine. It is not "my > fault" as you claim, as I did not cause Net4U to be disconnected by any > streach of your imagination. > As widely known, Telecom disconnected Net4U due to an alledged credit issue > and this had a downstream effect on me. > > I never post about you. I never initiate an email to you and I have only > ever had one meeting with you where you wanted (HAPPILY) to sell me > internet connectivity. > Despite this, you have a history of writing rude emails to me about nothing > at all, which is why you were blocked at my MX server recently. > > I suggest that you take your own advice in A, B, C and D and hope very much > that *your* business never has any "problems" at all, in case you end up > having to swallow some of *your* own medicine. > > I am disapointed at the demise of Net4U. In the short time I had a frame > relay link with them, Sahil gave me very good service and was responsive to > my requirements. > > *************************************************************************** >* ************ > If you wish to discuss anything in an appropriate manner, I suggest that > you write me an email directly, including outlining any issues that you > would like to sort out (I truely have no idea what they are) and we will > handle this in a businesslike manner. > *************************************************************************** >* ************ > > Otherwise I suggest that you discontinue this, rather then posting > unrelated untrue, immature and defamitory garbage to the NZNOG list. > > Michael Hallager > > > This I don't think is worth continuing.. > > > > A) your not worth arguing with. > > B) right now I have better things to do > > C) im sure your business has its own problems right now, and its your > > own fault really. > > D) get over it. > > E) before you ask, I refuse to help you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:57 p.m. > > To: Craig Spiers > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > Networksoutage > > > > The business deals that say that you should watch what you say in > > public, lest it come back to you. > > > > > Could possibly be.. What business deal are we talking about? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:51 p.m. > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > Networksoutage > > > > > > Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people > > > in private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > > > > > > > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > > > > what your like to deal with. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > > Networks outage > > > > > > > > Hello all. > > > > > > > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline > > > > and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > > > > > > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection > > > > supplied by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online > > > > until an alternative ISP can be found. > > > > > > > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, > > > > though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, > > > > because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this > > > > suddenly happening at the worst possible time. > > > > > > > > The requirements are: > > > > > > > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > > > > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > > > > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > > > > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > > > > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale > > data" > > > > > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > > > > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > > > > > > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I > > > > can easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually > > > > have responsibility for the network. > > > > > > > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit > > > > is owned by my company. > > > > > > > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone > > > > numbers. (After hours and weekend is fine). > > > > > > > > // Michael Hallager > > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading > > > > supplier of high quality used networking equipment. > > > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > -- > > > // Michael Hallager > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > > equipment. > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > -- > > // Michael Hallager > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > equipment. > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > -- > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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right of reply.
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

You were very happy to quote me for an internet connection only 3 months ago. The only thing that has happened since then is that I went to Net4U rather then your company - ConceptNet. Excluding limited internet connectivity, my business is fine. It is not "my fault" as you claim, as I did not cause Net4U to be disconnected by any streach of your imagination. As widely known, Telecom disconnected Net4U due to an alledged credit issue and this had a downstream effect on me. I never post about you. I never initiate an email to you and I have only ever had one meeting with you where you wanted (HAPPILY) to sell me internet connectivity. Despite this, you have a history of writing rude emails to me about nothing at all, which is why you were blocked at my MX server recently. I suggest that you take your own advice in A, B, C and D and hope very much that *your* business never has any "problems" at all, in case you end up having to swallow some of *your* own medicine. I am disapointed at the demise of Net4U. In the short time I had a frame relay link with them, Sahil gave me very good service and was responsive to my requirements. **************************************************************************************** If you wish to discuss anything in an appropriate manner, I suggest that you write me an email directly, including outlining any issues that you would like to sort out (I truely have no idea what they are) and we will handle this in a businesslike manner. **************************************************************************************** Otherwise I suggest that you discontinue this, rather then posting unrelated untrue, immature and defamitory garbage to the NZNOG list. Michael Hallager > This I don't think is worth continuing.. > > A) your not worth arguing with. > B) right now I have better things to do > C) im sure your business has its own problems right now, and its your own > fault really. > D) get over it. > E) before you ask, I refuse to help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:57 p.m. > To: Craig Spiers > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > Networksoutage > > The business deals that say that you should watch what you say in public, > lest it come back to you. > > > Could possibly be.. What business deal are we talking about? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:51 p.m. > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > Networksoutage > > > > Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people in > > private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > > > > > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > > > what your like to deal with. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > Networks outage > > > > > > Hello all. > > > > > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline > > > and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > > > > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied > > > by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an > > > alternative ISP can be found. > > > > > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, > > > though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, > > > because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this > > > suddenly happening at the worst possible time. > > > > > > The requirements are: > > > > > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > > > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > > > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > > > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > > > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" > > > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > > > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > > > > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can > > > easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have > > > responsibility for the network. > > > > > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is > > > owned by my company. > > > > > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. > > > (After hours and weekend is fine). > > > > > > // Michael Hallager > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > > equipment. > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > -- > > // Michael Hallager > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > equipment. > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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How much is enough ?
by Richard Naylor 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I need some feedback, comments or whatever.... The average house has a 230V feed good for 60amps. It suits most people apart from a few with fixations on large swimming pools, huge sauna, large lathes, and growing pot. (power bills or substation loads were a dead give away) They got 3 phase power or jail. Almost no one ever got 11kV. (I say no one because we did supply several businesses that way) What is the data equivalent to a 230v 60 amp supply ? 10 100 100 Mbps ? 10mbps - too slow generally 1/2 duplex gets ugly as it gets max'd out. 100mbps - cheap, reliable, goes well. MPEG-2 fits in nicely (6mbps) so a house would get say 10 simultaneous TV channels eaisly (newer codecs like MPEG4/DiVX work for the same quality at 1.5mbps, so as faster cpus come into wider use bandwidth gets conserved). 100mbps allows very easy power+data on one tail. Routing/firewall is easy and cheap at wire speed. 1000mbps - becoming cheap. also reliable. might mean power on separate cable or less power available. Firewalls/routers expensive unless you home brew..... So - what is it ? TIA - rich

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