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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Simon Byrnand 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

At 21:16 10/03/03 +1100, Nathan Mercer wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] >Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. >To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore > >Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > > Hi Guys > > > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > > another website or something? > > > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) > >$ dig search.msn.co.nz. a >;; ANSWER SECTION: >search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 > >Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied >to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz >isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users >are ending up there. They can't figure it out ? The "Search" button in the latest version of Internet Explorer (and probably older versions too) takes you there when you use "Find a Web Page". It also happens if you try to search from the address bar. (EG enter something that isn't a URL) Maybe their webdesigners should keep in touch with the IE development team ? :p Perhaps the Microsoft people that are trying to test the problem aren't in an area that gets redirected to "search.msn.co.nz". I'm not sure what method it uses to determine if you're in NZ, perhaps not everyone in NZ is considered to be "in NZ" by IE, and thus doesn't get directed to the NZ version of that page... (But browsing directly to the URL as Craig first indicated should be visible anywhere I would have thought...) Regards, Simon

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Time for a change...
by Dean Pemberton 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

Hi all. Remember a while ago I posted a message here, saying I wanted to return to Wellington? Well it all turned out for the best. As of yesterday afternoon I no longer work for Juniper Networks. And in mid April I'll be starting at a new job in Wellington. So just a quick FAQ Q: I have a cellphone number for you is it still going to work. A: Nope - all my Juniper goods were confiscated yesterday. I do have a prepay cellphone in Australia at the moment, but after next month that will be useless too. If you think you will need to contact me in that time period, then drop me an email asking for the number. Q: Who do I call at 3 in the morning to ask about Juniper questions? A: Well if you happen to work for the company that I've just joined, then probably still me =) If not, and it's still urgent, then support(a)juniper.net is your friend. *note* I do still answer questions for beer or curry, just not at 3am Q: When do you arrive? What are your plans? A: I fly in on the 11th of Apr to start work on the 14th. I have to find a place to live. Other than that, I plan to eat curry on a thursday as is written in the good book =) Q: What are you doing in the meantime A: Packing mostly. I also have a pilots test to sit if the weather ever clears up (and they fix the alternator in the plane) =) Q: Does this mean that I/We can collect on the beer that you owe Me/Us? A: Who are you? Crank caller! Crank caller! Q: Ok - fess up - who are you working for A: TelstraClear. So I'll be seeing all the Wellington people in April - I expect a big turnout at the first Curry =) Later Dean

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RE: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation
by Frank March 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

I agree that NZNOG is not the right place to discuss these matters in depth. I will be posting a commentary (I dont think 'answer' is quite the right description) on Lin's points on the public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz tonight (I am sure others will do so as well) --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 15:17 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation While nznog isn't the right forum for this discussion, I don't know what will be. InternetNZ does have a public discussion list. Would that be a good place for such discussions? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Thanks for the info, what OS are you running? IE6 on Windows XP doesn't seem to repro with the steps below, it goes to ie.search.msn.com Cheers Nathan -----Original Message----- From: Steve Winter [mailto:steve(a)roadshow.org] Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:35 a.m. To: Nathan Mercer; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Nathan, > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your > customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another > website or something? On the tool bar, between the home button and the favorites button is a search button...when you click on it a pane appears to the left of your browser window, in which you can allegedly search, it has the options 'find a web page', 'previous searches', 'find a map', and 'look up a word', then a dialog box in which you can 'find a web page containing' It is then proudly 'Brought to you by MSN'...when you hit search you get the wonderfully useful 'Sorry, the system is not working properly.' error... > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Well, I'm also using IE6 and it gives just the same results... :-( Cheers Steve

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi Guys Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another website or something? I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Thanks Nathan Microsoft NZ -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:53 p.m. To: Craig Whitmore At 16:48 10/03/03 +1300, Craig Whitmore wrote: >Just a heads up.... > >Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when >people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying > >"Sorry, the system is not working properly." > >It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from >Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. >search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. > >search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few >people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. I first noticed it on Friday morning, so its been broken for a while now. (I assumed it was one of those things that would be fixed in a few minutes and didn't check it again until now....) Not a particularly informative error message either... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

-----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi Guys > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > another website or something? > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) $ dig search.msn.co.nz. a ;; ANSWER SECTION: search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users are ending up there.

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Packet loss with Xtra
by David Mill 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi, At the moment there seems to be severe packet loss when an Xtra dial-up customer (maybe other types of customers) connects to a TelstraClear connection. 20 - 40 % packet loss that is. It may also be a problem when an Xtra customer is connecting to other networks, I do not believe it is TelstraClear specific. Traceroute details (sorry if this doesn't look any good in plain text): merlin.inspire.net.nz Mon Mar 10 19:17:57 2003 Keys: D - Display mode R - Restart statistics Q - Quit Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst Y1. 203-79-89-47.inspire.net.nz 0% 71 71 0 0 0 2 2. g9-0-972.u21.tar.telstraclear.net 0% 71 71 5 4 6 91 3. 210-55-41-1.citylink.xtra.co.nz 0% 71 71 5 4 5 9 4. a9-0-0-3.XTRAK2-B1.xtra.co.nz 36% 46 71 83 37 47 83 5. v60.XTRAK1-B1.xtra.co.nz 43% 41 71 55 33 46 57 6. f5-0.ipa1-r16-5.xtra.co.nz 45% 39 71 47 33 51 96 7. 192.168.244.6 38% 44 71 63 49 72 100 8. 192.168.246.14 39% 43 71 116 47 74 116 9. 210-55-45-165.dialup.xtra.co.nz 31% 48 70 175 149 172 275 Can anyone on this list take a look at this, or point in the direction of the right person / phone number at Xtra to contact? Regards, David Mill

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search.msn.co.nz
by Craig Whitmore 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Just a heads up.... Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying "Sorry, the system is not working properly." It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Fw: [nznog] XTRA DNS Issues - anyone else?
by Brian Gibbons 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

>----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Clark >If we update a record in our name server, ns1.clear.net.nz gets it pretty quickly >The problem appears to be anyone logged into XTRA or using their DNS >is there something different about the way their DNS servers operate? I would suggest that Xtra's servers are probably confused by the configuration of your name servers. A quick audit shows... For scarfies.co.nz the SRS (.co.nz) list two name servers ns1.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net "rootservers".net shows 5 Name Server delegations for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net ns2.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net ns2.zoneedit.com ns3.zoneedit.com ns1.scarfies.net returns two name servers as authorititive for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) ns3.scarfies.net (210.54.31.84) ns3.scarfies.net lists only one authorititive name server for scarfies.net zues.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) It does not list itself (by name) as Authorititive 210.55.10.201 resolves "ns1.scarfies.net" (itself) as 210.55.10.201 210.55.10.201 resolve "ns3.scarfies.net " as 210.54.31.84 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) resolves "ns1.scarfies.net " as a CNAME for nemisis.scarfies.net (GULP!) with an IP address of 210.54.31.84 (this is the Opposite IP address) 210.55.10.201 resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net.nz this is a circular CNAME reference when included with the zone file on 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "nemesis.scarfies.net" to 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net with an IP address of 210.55.10.201 this is difference answer from the other name server (which returned 210.54.31.84) 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) returns no answers for a lookup of ns3.scarfies.net (Hmm) Perhaps a little tidyup might solve your problem @ Xtra Cheers BG

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Netforum 2003 (and 2004??)
by Roger De Salis 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

A quick update on the the conference this year... (mark your diaries, get your management primed that you need to attend) When: [8?,9?]10/11/12 July, 2003 Where: Waipuna Lodge, Mt Wellington, Auckland Cost: NZ$695 for Three Days, discounts for early bird registration, lesser for less time, extensive student discounts...) The lead international speakers who have accepted are:- (and I have fully funded travel sponsorship for...) Evi Nemeth (ex University of Boulder Colorado, and ISC Director) who has indicated she would like to talk about "ISP measurement stuff regarding dns and the slow and infinite denial of service attack that bugs/ features/config-errors in microsoft software are doing to the root servers. - Plus other measurement stuff" Barry Raveendran Greene (Lead author of ISP practice manual from Cisco) talking about advanced ISP tools and techniques in use worldwide, current practices. Joe Abley (local boy made good) talking about Advanced mosquito control in Canadian summers, and "what is it really like to work for Paul Vixie...." ( I am certain he will provide an alternative title to his talks..) I'm still looking for papers and interesting topics for discussion. My plan is to make the conference so interesting to the ISP industry that I can get 2Day.com to stump up for a bar contribution. (Its a test....) The web-site and conference brochure will be out this week, and I'll be forwarding a URL for a double sided Colour PDF for those with colour printers, who need glossies to sell to management. =============================================================== 2004 Conference:- I do not mind whether we go to Waikato, or stay in Acukland I have no problem with changes by popular demand. I have provisional speaker acceptances for 2004 from DJ Bernstein (thanks Simon for the excellent talks in 2002) Jeff Doyle (Juniper Networks) Thanks for reading this far, more to follow. =================================================================== Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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