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RE: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Mike Clark 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

some good ones linked to from vint cerfs site: http://www.worldcom.com/global/resources/cerfs_up/issues/ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lpnz.org] Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 16:02 To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop I spotted these on the ISOC site recently: Waiting for IP version 6 by Geoff Huston (http://ispcolumn.isoc.org/2003-01/Waiting.html) and Response by IPv6 Forum to "Waiting for IP version 6" by Latif Ladid and Jim Bound (http://www.isoc.org/pubs/isp/ipv6response.shtml_ _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Ewen McNeill 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

In message <C031BD7C-3EF7-11D7-B971-00039312C852(a)automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 21:00 Canada/Eastern, Frank March wrote: >>[APEC workshop will cover] >> Issues surrounding the current standard of Internet Protocol version 4 >> (IPv4) and how it limits the number of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses >> available globally. > >Someone should tell these people that we are not running out of IPv4 >addresses any time soon They actually only talk about IPv4 limiting the number of addresses available -- which is true. There are only 2**32 of them :-) But it's not quite the point. However people outside the network-core could be forgiven for believing that there's a dire shortage of IP addresses. When only a few years ago a business connection would often have a /24 or greater address space, often one which was "portable" (in theory, but perhaps not in practice), these days plenty of business connections are given a single (gateway) IP address, and it is strongly suggested they use NAT -- even when hosting multiple servers requiring incoming connections. (In at least one instance I've seen multiple connections installed primarily "to get another IP address". When they started in on adding a few more hosting servers, and ordering their third connection "to get another IP address" I put my foot down, and they have finally applied for a /28, which will already be > 50% filled simply properly numbering the existing servers.) >and that the real pressing issue is how you make the routing system >scale (an issue which IPv6 does not attempt to address). This is the flip side to the "one address, or maybe a few more if you beg lots". You end up lots of very long prefixes. To be sure many of those couldn't care less about routing, and CIDR works well for them. But you end up with a certain percentage that have a legitimate need to do their own routing, for redundancy or otherwise, and still have fairly long prefixes. Even if they go through the (non-obvious to those outside the core networking arena) process required to get a /24, that still gives you a lot of /24s floating around to deal with routing. I tend to agree with you that by and large IPv6 will just shuffle this problem around some, and still leave basically the same issue with "how do we deal with all these routes". (The address space will be larger, and in theory will be more hierachically allocated, but there'll still be the same people, and the same portion of them will want/need to do their own routing, etc.) I'd be happy to see IPv6 deployed to get rid of some of the worst excesses of NAT I see (particularly the "traffic in to one IP address splits off to N internal servers in difficult to keep track of fashions") but other than that I don't think it's going to solve all that much by itself. Ewen

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ISDN performance
by Michael Hallager 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hello, Can anyone please inform me *From first hand experience only* what the average latency is across a Centrex Auckland BRA ISDN? Best regards, Michael Hallager michael at comsolve.net.nz

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RE: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

AFAIK, yr friendly USG. The US Embassy is certainly acting as v close minder for the visit. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gardner [mailto:andy(a)navigator.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:45 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week At 1:50 PM +1300 2/12/03, Frank March wrote: >For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers >of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at >the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be >speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Who's paying for Vint's trip? Cheers, -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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by Nevil Brownlee 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi again: Sorry, I failed to send the second paragraph of the announcement about Vint's Auckland talk, the one telling *where* it's happening. Here it is.. > I'm pleased to announce that Vinton Cerf will give a public lecture on "The > Internet: its future and the opportunities it presents", at the University of > Auckland campus from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday 20 February 2003. > > I have booked Library room B28 (capacity 419) for this event. I have also > booked an overflow room (with videolink) that will handle an additional 269 > people. My University is now preparing a press release. Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 ITSS, The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz/

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Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Monday 17 February, 5:30 pm. National Library Auditorium, Molesworth St, Wellington, "Towards and Information Society for All" Tuesday 18 February, 11:45 (for noon). US Embassy, 29 Fitzherbert St, Wellington, "E-mail, how its changed busienss and where it is going" You will need to notify the US Embassy in advance if you want to attend the Tuesday talk. I will copy the PDF file I received from the Embassy to anyone emailing me direct for further information. I understand that Vint is also going to give a public talk in Auckland later in the week but at this stage do not know the details. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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U.S. Congress and ICANN
by Andy Linton 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

I won't be able to get to the talk given by Vint Cerf at the National Library next week but I think there's some questions about US policy in relation to ICANN that someone should ask him. Attached find some material about the Senate Communications Subcommittee and ICANN. It seems that the US view may be that just like Iraq and its oil the Internet belongs to them and that they have the right to remove this body as they please even though other national entities have signed up to the process. Perhaps Vint could comment? [Note the reference to root name servers and DOS attacks which make this message of operational significance! (:-)] --- [Jan 15, 2003] U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) announced his top priorities for his chairmanship of the Senate Communications Subcommittee during the 108th legislative session. ICANN Reform STRENGTHENS AND SECURES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERNET Sen. Burns will take aim at the organization's persistent half-hearted efforts at internal reform. The lack of accountability of this quasi-governmental organization poses serious problems for American national security. The recent "denial of service" (DOS) attack on nine of the 13 Internet "root servers" in October highlights these concerns. Constitutional issues are also troubling, including whether the Commerce Department was within its rights to grant such a huge responsibility to ICANN in the first place, potentially violating the nondelegation clause [of the U.S. Constitution]. This issue demands immediate oversight. Sen. Burns will hold a hearing on ICANN Reform in the spring to address potential legislation to authorize ICANN's continued existence.

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NZNOG 2003 - Suggestions for Content
by Donald Neal 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

People, I'd be interested in receiving suggestions of subjects people would like to see covered at this July's gathering in Auckland. To me directly, please, not to the list. Offers to present are also, of course, welcome. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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freebsd iso
by Mark Frater 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Anyone know where in NZ I can get the latest freebsd stable release ISO? nz.ftp.freebsd.org seems flakey and last time I connected, didn't have anything later than v4.5 Mark

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Achieving Protection and Security in an OnLine World - Free semin ar
by Frank March 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Please distribute this information to anyone you think might be interested. Seminar sponsored by AOEMA and supported by Ministry of Economic Development Date & Venue: Monday 3rd March Christchurch Convention Centre Conference Room 1&2 95 Kilmore Street CHRISTCHURCH Wednesday 5th March Centennial Convention Centre Main St PALMERSTON NORTH Speakers: Michael Baker, Yuichi Tosaki, John Thackray, Tony Krzyzewski, Michael Wigley Cost: Free Register: REGISTRATIONS Please email your attendance to: Michael Baker Executive Director, AOEMA Michael.baker(a)aoema.org Or contact: Jim Higgins 04 939 2800 or 021 963 268 Copies of the full programme available by emailing frank.march(a)med.govt.nz Further information available at http://www.nzecommerce.co.nz/default.aspx?page=showevent&id=25 --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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