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Re: bank.nz maori.nz geek.nz
by David Farrar 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Juha wrote: > Michael Newbery wrote: > > http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/395.html > > > > It seemed appropriate... > > Heh. > > > This seems to be two debates: > > 1. Do we need to open up the 2LD? As in totally open it up. Open > > slather. > > 2. Iff we don't want to open it up, do we need the .bank.nz domain? > > Isn't it more likely that openly commercial new 2lds like bank.nz are simply > attempts at bringing in revenue for InternetNZzzz....? Hmmn 17 names at $24 a year each will be a grand total of $408 a year extra income. Not a huge incentive. Opening up the 2LD space to anyone would generate a huge amount of extra revenue though. In fact it would arguably be possible to then set the registry fee at a lower level than the generic top level domains of US$6 (we are about to move to US$11.16 for .nz). DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: bank.nz maori.nz geek.nz
by Ewen McNeill 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

In message <20020827040606.GX83446(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 03:51:16PM +1200, Ewen McNeill wrote: >> IMHO the reason for requiring a justification for creating 2lds is to >> ensure that they are created with some thought as to how they will be >> sub delegated, [....] > >Nobody gave any thought to how domains under neos.co.nz might be >delegated before they agreed to delegate the name to you. I don't >really see why bank.nz should be any different. I assume you mean naos.co.nz; neos.co.nz is held by Eyecatchers Design Ltd. It's higher up the delegation hierachy, so there are more people that might want it. (A more obvious example in my case would be mcneill.gen.nz which I also hold -- and in that instance you might well argue that someone _should_ have considered how it'd have been delegated first, and I'd agree with you.) >> The alternative that some are suggesting (a free for all in the second >> level domain space) would basically ensure that the same "land grab" >> that happened in .com happens in .nz [....] > >I'm not sure that domain fever is still at the pitch it was a few >years ago. Certainly a couple of the new gTLD registry operators >seem to be disappointed that it isn't. Perhaps not. But I'm fairly sure there'd be land grab all the same. At very least, those that think that the Banker's Association would be the ones to get bank.nz (and the same for all the other obvious delegations) show an, umm, touching faith in human nature. >> As I said earlier today, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that >> $foo-the-movie.nz (and variations thereupon) is somehow better than >> $foo.movie.nz > >Why do you need one? Because otherwise I think (a) a structured set of second level domains makes much more sense than the alternatives; and (b) we should approve any request that has a reasonable sub-delegation policy. >> If we collapse the namespace so that it becomes "whatever you can get" >> under .nz, then we might as well give up any pretense that they're >> "obvious" and hand them out like ASNs. At least there'd be less call >> for "special" names -- once 42 and a few others had been handed out. > >That's a strange comparison. ASNs are a mucher scarcer resource >than names, they're much more expensive and difficult to get hold >of, and you get whatever number the RIR decides to give you, >regardless of preference. That was precisely my point. That if we're going to give up any pretence of structure, we might as well go the whole hog and make them be arbitrary tokens that you get give by someone when you want a fixed arbitrary token. (The scarcity of obtaining ASNs is only because of the small number space for them; we could make it many times bigger and that problem would go away too.) >> And then someone could build a directory service over the top of that >> offering a one-to-many mapping. > >We could turn one largely flat namespace into another largely flat >namespace, and *never have to hear about delegation of bank.nz >again*. Imagine that :) We could all vote "yes" for bank.nz and never have to hear about the deleation of bank.nz again. Imagine that. :-) Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Sue Leader 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Greetings Request for Discussion [RFD] Proposal (2002) to Create New Second Level Domain - ".bank.nz" InternetNZ is calling for public discussion regarding the request for a new second level domain name (2LD) of '.bank.nz'. Discussion is open for a period of 60-90 days from August 26 2002. Discussion will be open for at least 60 days (until October 24) but the period may end earlier than 90 days (Nov 23) if, in the opinion of the Domain Name Commissioner (http://www.dnc.org.nz), substantive discussion has ceased. Anyone who is interested in participating in the discussion is encouraged to read the proposal, which can be found at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level- domains/banknz02/2ld02proposal-banknz.pdf Obviously the Internet community is free to discuss this application anywhere and at anytime and are encouraged to do so. However, you may wish to subscribe to the discussion mailing list - send an email to public-consult-request(a)internetnz.net.nz and put "subscribe" in the subject line to see what others are thinking and saying. For information on the policy and history of Second Level Domains please refer to: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/ cheers Sue -- Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-495-2115 [Note new number] Level 4, Economous Building, 4 Bond Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.internetnz.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Lin Nah 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

I am glad others have followed up to this. I actually almost replied and deleted what I wrote What do they think has changed this time? Do they think putting in a request over and over again that people will eventually vote for it? Or will they now try to have a concerted effort where people (such as bank employees) will be encouraged to vote for it? This is a waste of time. I am surprised they didn't decide to go for the .bank TLD after failing on this .nz 2LD. I would like to know if the anyone within the present ISOCNZ council supports this proposal. If yes, why. If no, why AND if there's a unanimous no, why is our time wasted by this RFD? lin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Wanted: Cisco AS5200
by J S Russell 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Now, don't laugh, I but I'm trying to locate a Cisco AS5200 chassis, functional, with no modems/dsps/other modules installed. (Though, if it comes with any line cards, they'll be gratefully put on a shelf and pointed at from time to time) This is for a personal project, not an Iconz project, so if anyone has one (and I know someone must) spare, that they might want to exchange for money or beer or curry or similarly priced spare technojunk, please contact me. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Fun will now commence. "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy." - Drago Museveni C.Y. 8427 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Thursday Night Curry.
by Simon Lyall 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Some people here might be interested in this. Auckland Thursday Night Curry will next be held this Thursday the 29th. Forwarded details are below and current planning is to meet every 2 weeks. There is a (low volume) mailing list, to subcribe send email to majordomo(a)paradise.gen.nz with: subscribe curry in the body of the message. ----forwarded email---- The place we are trying this time is Raviz Indian Cuisine 15 Mt Eden Rd, Mt Eden. It is opposite Galbraiths 7:30pm start as usual a. Parking There's a pay and display park at the corner of Mt Eden and Symonds St, next to Galbraiths. The pay bit ends at 8pm. So you can put in a few coins for the last half hour (or take a gamble). Hopefully there'll be parks there. Otherwise try the parks along the streets, side street etc. b. Kingfisher They have kingfisher but not strong don't think we mind. c. menu Apart from the usual stuff (korma, vindaloo, tika, navabi etc), there's a few ne ones (new for me anyway) like Mango Chicken, Tikka Sawadee, and Tikka Banaras. I'll leave the other new ones for you to discover when you show up Can you please email Lin Nah <lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz> if you can definately make it. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by David Farrar 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

NOTE: This may be getting off topic for nznog - happy to leave nznog off any future replies if requested and keep this debate on INZ lists only. Bart wrote: > At 20:11 26/08/02 GMT, David Farrar wrote: > >Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would > >effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want > to go > >from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz. > > Considering how small New Zealand is, it would have made sense to stick to > ..nz; > In the Netherlands they work happely with .nl and that country has a > population 15 million. > > If you would open it up now a lot of new income would be generated > ofcourse, as all major domain holders would have to use it, but also could > not afford to close down the .co.nz version either :) Let the money flow! > Actually, I would like to see it; First one in use would be bart.nz Opening up the 2LD would indeed be very profitable for INZ and Registrars as registrations would probably come close to doubling (hopefully INZ would lower the registry fee if this was the case). A lot of that money could be tied up in lawsuits if for example the owner of coke.co.nz missed out by a millisecond (assume first in first served with a known start date/time) at registering coke.nz they would get very upset with someone. You can mitigate this by allowing preferential rights to holders of name.co.nz, name.org.nz to register name.nz but I believe there are seveal thousand clashes where different registrants have different 2LD variations of a 3LD name. Example is national.org.nz is National Party and national.co.nz is the BNZ so no easy way to decide who gets first dibs to national.nz. None of these issues are unsolvable but one has to tread damn carefully to avoid death by 100 lawsuits. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Juha Saarinen 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Ben Martel wrote: > The most obvious reason was to follow the .uk model. Remember the Queen and > all that! Yes, yes, I *know* that already. But, cf. "co.uk" with "co.nz". Isn't the latter just a tiny bit anarcho-syndicalist and anti-capitalist? I'm reminded of Jello Biafra's bid for the San Francisco mayoralty -- one of his policies were to make businessmen wear clown suits during working hours. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Zanetti David 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Apologies in advance for poor formatting and/or other Outlook-isms. From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] > In message <a0511173fb98fff084e9f(a)[10.0.1.3]>, Andy Gardner writes: > >How about this: > > > >Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone > >other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers? > > Each time someone proposes a SLD, someone (often several people) raise > the idea of a "free for all" in the SLD space. > > What no one has explained to me is: what is so much better > about nationalbank.nz than national.bank.nz or for that matter > matrix-the-movie.com than matrix.movie (to pick an example I find > particularly grating). [clip a fresh dose of sanity] Hear hear! Finally a sane point of view. > I should, however, note that (a) I think it should be a lot easier to > get more SLDs (I do think they should be moderated, but I also think a > 3-6 month proposal phase is _way_ too long; 3-6 _weeks_ would be > better), and (b) I don't have a major problem with any of the > suggestions I've seen on either nznog or isocnz-members, providing it's > intended there be a moderately logical hierachy underneath it. I'd support this, it is too long a process. I don't want to see it totally open slather, but since the whole vote thing can be easily rigged, it's of little value. Council should ask around, and then decide, and not a lot else should need to be done. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Ewen McNeill 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

NOTE: it's rather odd to have this discussion being crossposted to two member-posting-only mailing lists. Perhaps it would be better at, eg, public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz which was mentioned in the original announcement that .bank.nz was being raised again. In message <a0511173fb98fff084e9f(a)[10.0.1.3]>, Andy Gardner writes: >How about this: > >Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone >other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers? Each time someone proposes a SLD, someone (often several people) raise the idea of a "free for all" in the SLD space. What no one has explained to me is: what is so much better about nationalbank.nz than national.bank.nz or for that matter matrix-the-movie.com than matrix.movie (to pick an example I find particularly grating). You don't get rid of the name space problem by getting rid of name spaces; you just move it around. And you move it around so that you end up with more ad-hoc variations than you would have, if you'd had a SLD. Not to mention that there are technical advantages from multiple SLDs, due to the way the DNS was designed (it was designed to be a deep hierachy). I should, however, note that (a) I think it should be a lot easier to get more SLDs (I do think they should be moderated, but I also think a 3-6 month proposal phase is _way_ too long; 3-6 _weeks_ would be better), and (b) I don't have a major problem with any of the suggestions I've seen on either nznog or isocnz-members, providing it's intended there be a moderately logical hierachy underneath it. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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