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RE: [OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Frank March 20 Apr '02

20 Apr '02

This is an arguement of long standing. In APEC it is known as 'international Internet charging arrangements for services' or ICAIS and in ITU-T as Recommendation D(iii). Precisely the same phenomenon applies to New Zealand and until relatively recently to the whole world, including Europe. Europe now has 'in house' Internet exchanges and a growing volume of indigenous content so that there is less and less reliance on Internet US-centricity. Asia is slowly evolving the same way. Arguments around this matter have been rehearsed on this list previously, when I asked for comment on a New Zealand position to take to the APEC TEL Working Group about two years ago (and received very helpful feedback). My (v. concise) summary of the New Zealand Government position on this matter is as follows: "Noting that NZ has the highest percent of GDP expenditure on telecommunications world-wide (OECD, 2000): we recognise that there is a net economic cost to NZ arising from current charging arrangements, nevertheless, this is not having a perceptible dampening effect on Internet development and use in NZ. Relevant industry opinion in NZ is that there should be no government action taken with respect to the current arrangements." Incidentally, the lack of perceptable effect on Internet development applies throughout Asia as well, in my view. I would love to see a realistic break down of comparative costs to ISPs and to their customers internationally ... I would bet that 90% of end user costs are due to domestic tariff rates and policies.There is now a considerable pile of international policy papers on this matter in the ITU and APEC TEL as well as a number of other international fora. They can be summarised as saying 'no or very little effect, dont regulate' or 'disaster, discrimination, growing digital divide, its not fair, regulate'. Logic argues that there is nothing that can or should be done about it through regulation that would be effective but that does not seem to be having much influence on the international debate. I would be happy to receive (off list) any comments members might want to make on what the NZ Government position should be and I will provide further information on the international debate on request. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wedgwood [SMTP:cw(a)f00f.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2002 13:16 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [OT?] The great African internet robbery > > The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) > here. > > What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest > on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for > U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. > > I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many > people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ > completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden > (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the > Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the > incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based > carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could > redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. > > > > --cw > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm > > [...] > > According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) > Association, the continent is being forced by Western > companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide > networks. > > [...] > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Gigabit Ethernet Networks
by Keith Davidson 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

I'd be interested in hearing, off list, from any techies re experiences of upgrading Cat5 ethernet using Gigabit NICs and switches - what sort of real network speed is achievable and what is good equipment to use... Any help appreciated. Thanks Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bgp-speaking routing folk at actrix, attica?
by Joe Abley 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

If there's a routing person who feels like helping me out with an annoying problem at Actrix or Attica out there, could you drop me a line? Off-list would be fine. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Is there a website for this ? Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :Subject: Computer World Expo : : :Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? : :If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat :nights for copious amounts of beer. : :Best Regards : :Matthew G Brown :B & R Holdings LTD :" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :http://www.backupserver.co.nz :http://www.brh.co.nz : :- :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :where the body of your message reads: :unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Ummm .. good point ! My excuse, it's Friday :p Cheers, Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Mark Foster [mailto:blakjak(a)blakjak.net] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 13:35 :To: Tim John :Subject: Re: Computer World Expo : : :Dont suppose you tried 'computerworldexpo.co.nz' ? :) : :Its also linked on the IDG site. : :I will be there for at least one day, most likely all three. : :Mark. : : : :At 13:24 19/04/02 +1200, you wrote: :>Is there a website for this ? :> :>Tim :> :> :>:-----Original Message----- :>:From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :>:Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :>:To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:Subject: Computer World Expo :>: :>: :>:Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? :>: :>:If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail :Thurs, Fri, Sat :>:nights for copious amounts of beer. :>: :>:Best Regards :>: :>:Matthew G Brown :>:B & R Holdings LTD :>:" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :>:http://www.backupserver.co.nz :>:http://www.brh.co.nz :>: :>:- :>:To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:where the body of your message reads: :>:unsubscribe nznog :>: :>- :>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>where the body of your message reads: :>unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Matthew G Brown 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat nights for copious amounts of beer. Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Pacbell and mail
by Steve Phillips 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Anyone else having issues sending e-mail to pacbell ? it seems they have (from first glance) blacklisted all of 210.0.0.0/8 :-) -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Off Topic Job Scrounge
by J S Russell 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

This IS off topic, but has been done before (Hi James and Matt!) so please indulge me. :) I find myself having been made redundant from Callplus, with nothing else immediately lined up as alternate employment. If any of my fellow nznog denizens have any kind of position suitable for an experienced tech/tech-manager, please let me know about it - my mortgage must be fed. Salary is fairly unimportant, as long as there is some. Hours are also fairly unimportant, as is location (though it'll have to be Auckland). Part-time is fine, too. Weekends also fine. I come complete with an optional terabyte or so of disk, packed to the gills with TV shows, and bolted to a high-spec server. This _may_ accompany me to a new gig, if that gig finds it acceptable to have such a thing on their network, but it's 100% optional. Please feel free to e-mail me if there's anything going at your company which I can assist with. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Fun will now commence. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Chris Wedgwood 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) here. What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. --cw http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm [...] According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) Association, the continent is being forced by Western companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide networks. [...] - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tower Access ChCh
by Matthew G Brown 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I need a tranmission site for 2.4ghz & 5.8ghz over looking CBD of ChCh. If anyone has an idle site can they hit me off list. Will do Co-Op if interested. Also lost a Spec Analyser in auck cbd. If anyone hears of one being found on the streets let me know . Or keep it , its insured :) Sorry, little OT :) Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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