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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by making further statements on the list. The issue here is that someone whose name is not in any way associated with this list has had his details published on the list. Were this transient it probably would not matter at all. But the list is archived and on the Waikato University Web site at that. The fact that the same information is available on other publicly accessible Web sites or through Whois or whatever is not relevant. Under the Privacy Act, anyone is entitled to ask for information held about them on a database (a Web site qualifies as such under the Act IIRC) to be corrected or amended, or deleted should the information no longer have any purpose in being stored. The person concerned is exercising a legal right and Waikato University is obliged to recognise that. I am surprised that the request to Donald has not been couched rather more forcefully. If action is not taken it may well be; it is not impossible that Waikato University could request that this list be removed from the site altogether. They would be entitled to do so. In my view Donald, respecting the note you have made that you are not responsible for the archive and/or its contents; but in view of the responsibility you take on yourself to act as guardian of the list standards, if not as list moderator, you have no choice but to proceed as you have suggested and delete the person's personal details. The lesson here for us all, as noted by Chris already in his note, is that we should take care in the information placed onto the list (and hence the archive) if it is not ours to begin with. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [SMTP:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 12:27 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > > be read at > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > > promptly and briefly. > > I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the > same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois > database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't > appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on > the archive. > > > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: > http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 04:04 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: >Sure, but when he does find some one holding information about him, in >NZ, the privacy act gives him the right to ask for it to be corrected. No data here needs "correcting" - the data is still up to date according to the domainz page. :-) (Ok, we're wildly off topic here, so I'll shut up now) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Mark Foster 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

I dont see the big deal insofar as what on earth are we doing that needs to be hidden from NZ jurisdiction? We have nothing to hide - isnt that the problem, that our archives are not hidden? :p I agree with the newspaper anology to a large degree - you cant change the past, even if its stored electronically and therefore is *able* to be modified. The only exception I would make was in the case of excessively libelious comments.. Where only the facts are recorded, it shouldnt be that big a deal? Im not sure if I should ask the question 'who reads our archives anyway?' because i'll probably find theres a lot of closet NZNOG'rs out there.. :) At 15:09 7/12/01 +1300, you wrote: >The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand >one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy >Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is >delinquent in some respects according to the EU). > >I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian >jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ >citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand >it. > *snip* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nzno@lionra.net.nzRe: The Archives, Again (fwd
by Andy Linton 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > be read at > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > promptly and briefly. Given that the Domainz Terms of Service say: --- Use of information collected The management of the DNS involves the collection of personal information to provide public name listing services. This is in line with other Internet domain name registration services world-wide. Information is collected in one of two ways: * by .nz Provider/Agents acting on behalf of a name holder, or * directly from the name holder through the Domainz web site All information collected will be considered as information within the public domain. It may be published on the Domainz web site, and will be accessible to all users of the Internet. --- it seems difficult to see how someone can object to that information being accessible to those users of the Internet who access the NZNOG list archive. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is delinquent in some respects according to the EU). I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand it. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 15:01 > To: Tony McGregor > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:11:23PM +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: > > Moving the archive off shore won't help either if the information is > > "held by" a New Zealand agency. I.E. if the list is a UoW list but > > someone else hosts the archives it's probably still covered. > > I'm not convinced I understand how the UoW could entice me to edit > my archives, speaking as a resident of Canada, and with reference > to an archive hosted in the US. > > But I'm happy to host the list too, if that helps :) Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<B***ger> memory failure again. Nevertheless, my argument stands on the slightly modified ground of the details being of no direct relevance to the purpose of the list. Perhaps Joe's offer should be taken up. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Neal [SMTP:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 13:01 > To: Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: The Archives, Again > > >>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> > <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and > Simon > Brynand subsequently> > > >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: > in > >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the > issue by > >making further statements on the list. > > The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to > this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible > to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of > this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal > information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to > this list. > Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Donald Neal 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

>>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by >making further statements on the list. The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to this list. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/07/01 13:01:01 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 12:27 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: >> So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and >> holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can >> be read at >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and >> replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request >> of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so >> promptly and briefly. >I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the >same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois >database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't >appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on >the archive. If the information is in a publically accessible place like domainz, then its fair game as far as I can see. The reason for wanting it removed is more likely that he's trying to keep a low profile with a potentially controversial domain name, but those that might care are no doubt already aware of it.... :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland
by Roger De Salis 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Final reminder - roll up, roll up for the amazing NZNOG Xmas Function Make sure you bring a business card, (or something with your name on (eg $20 bill)) due to raffling of prizes Vendors excluded from prizes... > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sh int" > RSVP to: moi Pedants amongst you have forced a revision of my original "sho int" thus revealing my extremely infrequent use of IOS. Thanks to all who have responded so far, I hope I've responded to most. Anyone who arrives after the doors close, ring the cell phone below.... Don't forget the Wellington function on > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas party. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/06/01 13:23:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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