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RE: .nz zone only in fair condition!
by Warwick Glendenning 30 Nov '99

30 Nov '99

Peter Whilst I was a bit suprised myself especially when it said the software was developed in Iceland, I thought maybe it was a joke. However in my opinion I find your email to domainz what I "personally" consider a little outside the spirit of these mailing lists. Why not direct your concerns to the author of the mail, not all of us on the list! Thanks Warwick -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:13 AM To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: .nz zone only in fair condition! Looks like many of us received an unsolicited commercial email from DOMAINZ promoting a little Windows based tool that checks the health of your zone. I downloaded and ran it against .nz and here is what it told me:- THE ZONE IS IN A FAIR CONDITION You should be aware of these issues: * The delegation information for the zone is incorrect. The name server "dns1.clear.net.nz." is only listed in delegation data The name server "dns2.clear.net.nz." is only listed in delegation data The name server "ns1.clear.net.nz." is not listed in delegation data The name server "ns2.clear.net.nz." is not listed in delegation data The name server "ns1.waikato.ac.nz." is not listed in delegation data A dot is possibly missing in the host name "ns2.clear.net.nz.nz." A dot is possibly missing in the host name "ns1.clear.net.nz.nz." The A record "ns1.clear.net.nz." is duplicated The A record "ns2.clear.net.nz." is duplicated The A record "ns99.waikato.ac.nz." is duplicated The A record "rata.vuw.ac.nz." is duplicated The A record "gorgon.xtra.co.nz." is duplicated OK, so playing with toys aside, did anybody note the dispensation given to DOMAINZ by ISCONZ that allows it to use the .nz technical contact data to promote a commercial product? ISOCNZ WHOIS POLICY FORBIDS "Using any information contained in the WHOIS query output to attempt a targeted contact campaign with any person, or any organisation, using any medium." The policy clearly needs to state, except DOMAINZ, who may send not just a short message with a link to a web site to all and sundry, but yes a full page of hype for your enjoyment. We have a number of DNS products we promote to our New Zealand customers, but we dont use UCE to do it, nor do we use the WHOIS contact data as a source for sales promotions. Shame on Domainz! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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.nz zone only in fair condition!
by Peter Mott 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Looks like many of us received an unsolicited commercial email from DOMAINZ promoting a little Windows based tool that checks the health of your zone. I downloaded and ran it against .nz and here is what it told me:- THE ZONE IS IN A FAIR CONDITION You should be aware of these issues: * The delegation information for the zone is incorrect. The name server "dns1.clear.net.nz." is only listed in delegation data The name server "dns2.clear.net.nz." is only listed in delegation data The name server "ns1.clear.net.nz." is not listed in delegation data The name server "ns2.clear.net.nz." is not listed in delegation data The name server "ns1.waikato.ac.nz." is not listed in delegation data A dot is possibly missing in the host name "ns2.clear.net.nz.nz." A dot is possibly missing in the host name "ns1.clear.net.nz.nz." The A record "ns1.clear.net.nz." is duplicated The A record "ns2.clear.net.nz." is duplicated The A record "ns99.waikato.ac.nz." is duplicated The A record "rata.vuw.ac.nz." is duplicated The A record "gorgon.xtra.co.nz." is duplicated OK, so playing with toys aside, did anybody note the dispensation given to DOMAINZ by ISCONZ that allows it to use the .nz technical contact data to promote a commercial product? ISOCNZ WHOIS POLICY FORBIDS "Using any information contained in the WHOIS query output to attempt a targeted contact campaign with any person, or any organisation, using any medium." The policy clearly needs to state, except DOMAINZ, who may send not just a short message with a link to a web site to all and sundry, but yes a full page of hype for your enjoyment. We have a number of DNS products we promote to our New Zealand customers, but we dont use UCE to do it, nor do we use the WHOIS contact data as a source for sales promotions. Shame on Domainz! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Rex Croft...
by Chris Wedgwood 28 Nov '99

28 Nov '99

Out of interest, can anyone clue me in on specifically where Rex has gone and what he is doing? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Zone file build -- Monday 29-Nov-99
by Patrick O'Brien 28 Nov '99

28 Nov '99

List members, cc: nznog list Waikato are experiencing some technical difficulty this evening in relation to the nightly .nz zone file build. This means that new name registrations, changes and cancellations will not be "live" on the DNS by 6:00 pm this evening. Waikato have indicated that this issue could take some hours to resolve. This means that the primary zone files will may not be reloaded until some time tomorrow morning. I will update you using these lists as I am aware of progress. My apologies for any inconvenience that this may cause. My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FYI: a channelized E1 problem(Answer)
by Dennis Su 28 Nov '99

28 Nov '99

FYI, in case someone could come across this problem again. The answer is the pinout of NTU and router cable. We made a RJ-45 cable that cross-wires pin 1&2 to 4&5, and vice versa. It worked straightaway. The pinouts on Cisco router and Telecom NTU are all fixed. You would think they are pretty much standard but apparently not. Regards, Dennis > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Lang [mailto:steve.lang(a)attica.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 4:51 PM > To: Dennis Su; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: a channelized E1 problem > > > Hiya Dennis. > > > We are having a mysterious problem with a channelized E1. I am > > wondering if > > you have any clue. Any input would be very much appreciated. > > > > We have been trying to commission a new 512K leased circuit but not > > successful. At the central end the NTU(CSU/DSU) is connected to a > > Synchronous serial port on AS5200 via X21. At the branch > end the NTU is > > connected to a Balanced Channelized E1 port on 3620 via G.703 > > RJ-45. We have > > done loopback test and located the source of problem. It's > > between the 3620 > > and NTU at branch. We brought back the 120-Ohm RJ-45 cable > and checked the > > cable OK. And Telecom has double-checked the circuit as well. It > > seems that > > the router is not talking to NTU at all. I have listed the router > > config and > > the output of show controller etc. The IOS is 11.3(3). > > Hmmm. My suspicion would be NTU Config. Perhaps the NTU isn't > speaking CRC4 > framing? If it's a Telecom cct, then they'll possibly have an > OpenTel NTU on > it, and you can specify all sorts of things through the > cryptic menuing > system, inlcuding possibly the linecode as well. > > The other thing that I've seen before is that the correct > timeslots aren't > mapped through to the x.21 card in the NTU. All things that > relate back to > the NTU, and how it's configured that may not be able to be confirmed > remotely by the Telco network management stations. > > Just an idea, mind. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [ISOCNZ-L] Whois server appears?
by 2Day Operations 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

Domainz has announced whois access to the .nz registry at whois.domainz.net.nz http://www.domainz.net.nz/reference/whois.htm Unfortunately it says:- a) Its a trial b) DOMAINZ cannot guarantee accuracy of data I'll ignore the terms of use for the time being. It appears as its a trial, it may be removed without notice. The query results may not be accurate, and there is no way of telling when they are or not The silly thing is that DOMAINZ say the definitive source is the web site CGI which probably is reading the same dataset. We are not interested in a trial that may return bad data. We want a real whois. How can industry have confidence in ISOCNZ when this is all they can come up with? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Roger De Salis 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

It is worth considering this story, in the light of the communications regimen NZ currently finds itself in. I have (almost - lets not get too excited) enjoyed the rational, and carefully worded proposals from David Farrar, Rick Shera and Jim Higgins on how the Internet Society might evolve. I would personally love to perhaps redirect some of the effort being poured into administrative minutiae, to try to get some politicians to understand the implications of the knowledge economy, and how the easy access to the knowledge economy is incredibly important to areas of the country that find themselves significantly disadvantaged (eg the decline of the rural economy). David - persuade one politician a day...... This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. Then where you develop idea's, software, written material and interleectual property does not matter one iota. -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com `

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a channelized E1 problem
by Dennis Su 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

Hi, We are having a mysterious problem with a channelized E1. I am wondering if you have any clue. Any input would be very much appreciated. We have been trying to commission a new 512K leased circuit but not successful. At the central end the NTU(CSU/DSU) is connected to a Synchronous serial port on AS5200 via X21. At the branch end the NTU is connected to a Balanced Channelized E1 port on 3620 via G.703 RJ-45. We have done loopback test and located the source of problem. It's between the 3620 and NTU at branch. We brought back the 120-Ohm RJ-45 cable and checked the cable OK. And Telecom has double-checked the circuit as well. It seems that the router is not talking to NTU at all. I have listed the router config and the output of show controller etc. The IOS is 11.3(3). -------------------------- controller E1 1/0 framing crc4 linecode hdb3 channel-group 0 timeslots 1-8 description Channelized E1 interface Serial1/0:0 ip address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache bandwidth 512 priority-group 1 -------------------------------- #sho controllers e1 E1 1/0 is down. Applique type is Channelized E1 - balanced Description: Channelized E1 Transmitter is sending remote alarm. Receiver has loss of signal. Framing is CRC4, Line Code is HDB3, Clock Source is Line. Data in current interval (804 seconds elapsed): 0 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations 0 Slip Secs, 804 Fr Loss Secs, 0 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins 0 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 804 Unavail Secs Total Data (last 24 hours) 1 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations, 0 Slip Secs, 86254 Fr Loss Secs, 1 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins, 1 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 86254 Unavail Secs ---------------------------------------------------- Tauranga>sho int serial 1/0:0 Serial1/0:0 is down, line protocol is down Hardware is DSX1 Internet address is XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/30 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 512 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec, rely 252/255, load 1/255 Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec) Last input 02:31:00, output 02:31:00, output hang never Last clearing of "show interface" counters 02:15:20 Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: priority-list 1 Output queue: high 0/20/0, medium 0/40/0, normal 0/60/0, low 0/80/0 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort 0 packets output, 0 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 270 interface resets 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out 4 carrier transitions Timeslot(s) Used:1-8, Transmitter delay is 0 flags Regards, Dennis --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by None 24 Nov '99

24 Nov '99

KAA05223 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:37:40 +1300 Received: (from deanp(a)localhost) by slave.ascend.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id IAA21800; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:36:36 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:36:35 +1100 From: Dean Pemberton <dp(a)lucent.com> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] Message-ID: <19991125083635.F19605(a)slave.ascend.com.au> References: <EDFD920FC713D31186FF0008C7731C0E717310(a)WNANT21.moc.govt.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <EDFD920FC713D31186FF0008C7731C0E717310(a)WNANT21.moc.govt.nz>; = from Frank March on Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 02:22:09PM +1300 X-confirm-reading-to: "Dean Pemberton" <dp(a)lucent.com> X-files: Trust No One [I've cut down the distribution list bacause I don't subscribe to isocnz = and crossposting is bad M-kay] On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 02:22:09PM +1300, Frank March wrote: >=20 > I do have some problems with what Josh Bailey has to say. Who is paying = for > the Cisco in the pizza parlour? I doubt if it is a government initiative;= be > it Californian or Federal. There has been some interesting stuff put = out by > Paul Budde recently (see the most recent 'Friday Fryup' from Russell = Brown) > about the impact (or lack) of NZ's telecommunications competition policy = and > has some bearing on the comment about the cost of 64K circuits in NZ. > (Albeit, these comments are not really accepted in the place that I = work.) Who's paying for it is not the point that Josh is trying to make. The point is that it's being done. > Note that 64K circuits have never cost US$30K/m in NZ ... China had, and > still has, some way to do to catch up, frankly. >=20 Catch up to who? I have actually spent time in China both installing and maintaining their Internet backbone and I can say for sure that it's miles ahead of the infrastructure in place in NZ. They have fibre links to places so far-flung and disgusting I wouldn't = build a toilet there (although to be fair, neither did they =3D) ) In fact I can think of 3 other Asian countries that I have working relationships with who have latched onto the `Net' and sped ahead of NZ. = How many years has NZ had at this? I'm no historian but it's more than 15. = Some of these other countries have only been at this for 2-3 years and they are miles ahead. New Zealand can languish back and blame the small population or lack of government involvement or space aliens from mars. But at the end of the = day it's just whinging. Get on with it. > In commenting on the 'aisle' of Ciscos observed in Korea: it is perhaps > possible that Telecom NZ has such as facility, I do not know. I am not > aware of a serious lack of overseas data capacity for New Zealand at = present > (I would be very interested to know if there is in fact such a lack of > capacity). The future seems reasonably secure with the prospect of the > Southern Cross cable opening next year (increasing present overseas data > carrying capacity by a factor of 100, I believe). For what NZ'ers use it for sure. Why do you think other countries are installing OC-48 links everywhere? It's not just because they have more = users. In many cases it is because they have a different model to work from. In NZ you are encouraged to use the net with one hand and slapped on the = wrist with the other. It's frowned upon. ``You used over your free quota'' ``You are a high bandwidth user''=20 ``You downloaded too much'' ``Ohhh That high speed link is very expensive'' etc This sort of attitude stunts growth. =20 I have seen startup companies overseas doing things that would be = impossible with the telecommunications infrastructure in NZ, just because of this attitude. If you don't have the capacity then upgrade. =20 Hell I know a company not too far away from where I'm sitting that could provide a shit kicking infrastructure for NZ, just on the yearly profit of = a major NZ telco. I'm sure Roger knows one too. Contrast this attitude with the following examples Texas - ISDN is flatrate India - Government moving towards providing free ISDN installs and usage = to promote internet use. NZ - bleeding every last cent out of it's population for even adaquate = access. >=20 > There are serious bandwidth users in NZ. While I do not personally wish = to > carry any particular flame for Telecom NZ, I do know that Peter Jackson = has > had very good co-operation in having his on and off shore needs for very > large bandwidth met by them (no doubt at a cost!). >=20 See Above. But I'm sure that TNZ would be more than happy to lease me a pair of dark = fibre if I were on a movie making budget. Thats not really the point is it? = The point is not really how much bandwidth there is it's how accessable this bandwidth is to the everyday person. > The Internet in NZ has (& is) expanded (ing) very quickly. NZ has one = of > the top 10 Internet penetrations in the world (ahead of Australia, all = of > middle and southern Europe and miles ahead of Korea and the rest of = Asia). Sometimes penetration is not a very accurate measure of things. Imagine a small island in the South Pacific which has a population of ten people. Six of them have Internet access. WOW thats 60%, best we call = this country the most developed on the planet due to it's Internet penetration. Just because a third of the country has cellphones doesn't mean that NZ is = on the leading edge of cellular technology (Telecom is still dragging itself = out of the analog world for heavens sake). Similarly, just because a large percentage of the population has Internet access does not mean that they are doing anything greater with it than = reading email and looking at the web. How many houses do you think host their own content in NZ? How many stream video? How many on sell value added net services? How many (outside Wellington) have all their services (Phone, net, TV) = provided on a single digital feed? These are the sort of stats that tell the real story. I'd be interested in a statistic that measured how much bandwidth the = average person in a country had access to for the average wage. MAN! NZ wouldn't = be in the top ten of that one. > I am also very > concerned about the apparent denigration of the need to develop and = focus on > post industrial economic models for NZ (ie the knowledge economy) by = both > politicians and media commentators in the current election campaign. > Because the public doesn't care. This goes back to what Josh was saying = about the culture being different in NZ. A Political party who stood up and = said that they would give free Internet to every home in NZ would only be = talking to a fringe factor slightly larger than if their stance was to abolish the = student loan debt. Huge chunks of the public really don't give a toss. Take Coronation Street off the air for a couple of days on the other = hand... =20 > But, Josh, if you really have a concern it has to be better directed and > expressed than the comments you make in your post. I don't think he cares really. He just had something to say. I don't = think he's running for office, although anyone can be a Congressman these days = =3D). Don't get me wrong in all this. I'm proud to be a Kiwi. I promote NZ in = a favourable way everywhere I go in the world. I just think that in this = case they are lagging behind. Dean --=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton - dp(a)lucent.com Escalation Engineer with the Company Formally Known As Ascend Lucent Technologies - Lvl 38, 55 Collins St, Melbourne 3000, Australia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Administrator's Note
by Donald Neal 24 Nov '99

24 Nov '99

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