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Re: Fw: Welcome
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Operations wrote: > > Date: Thursday, 27 May 1999 11:29 > Subject: Welcome > > >Welcome to the registry-discuss list provided by 2Day Internet Ltd > > > >PURPOSE > > > >This list is provided for discussion of commercial and > >technical issues associated with changes to the .nz > >domain name registration service advised by DOMAINZ on > >Tuesday 18 May 1999. > > > >INVITATION > > > >Any person or organisation with a commercial interest > >in this topic is invited to participate. > > > >ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY > > > >Without wishing to restrict the free flow of ideas and > >information, the list owner (2Day Internet Limited) > >requires that:- > > > > > >a) Messages posted to this list are NOT posted to any > > other list or news group at the same time. > > Looks like I'm breach of Peter's acceptable use policy so I'd better be unsubscribed from 'registry-discuss' I'll be talking about this on the NZNOG list from now on. Join me there if you want a list where who you post to is not dictated to by the list owner. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers]
by Roger De Salis 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: |> |> >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the |> >ISOCNZ Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to |> > do exactly that |> >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. |> |> Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting |> industry. Extremely bad form. | | I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing | so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, | Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they | didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. ===================================================================== Exactly 10 days ago, I did send out an email to the ISOCNZ council, plus Andy and Joe, with proposal to possibly restrict zone transfers. The sequence was:- 1/ Put an inital proposal to the council plus others to ensure that the technical proposal was sound, and find out if there were i) raving objections, ii) muted dissent iii) muted assent iv) other. 2/ Post the corrected proposal to the NOG for comment. 3/ Assemble and Post feedback to the NOG, and come to a acceptable consensus. Unfortunately real work interfered with this timetable. This email represents step 2. The proposal was informally discussed at the last council meeting, which I was not able to fully attend. Here is the proposal in full, as it was sent out earlier. I remind interested parties that this is a PROPOSAL. Thoughtful comment, dissent and wisely worded counter propoosals will all be thoroughly considered. Here is the proposal as originally sent out. ======================================================================== PROPOSAL:- The caretaker of the registry has been concerned for sometime about the ability to do a complete download of the zone files, and then trawl them for useful information. Typically why people do this is to keep score, and we have no evidence that people have used this information for malicious purposes thus far. But the information does contain personal information, which it must do to permit network operators to rightfully go about their business, and brilliant efforts to keep the internet running. It also potentially offers plenty of SPAM potential. If whole downloads were restricted, but reasonable queries of a moderate length we allowed, and a working who-is was on line, and there was an ability to run reasonable global queries (eg no of domains by provider etc etc), is a restriction on possible global downloads reasonable. A positive suggestion here is that global downloads continue to be permitted, but the receiver must authenticate themselves, so reasonable use can be estimated. A parallel example is Cisco's shipping database. You have query access (via login) to any information, but you need a valid number to be able to extract the single event. There is no way to get the whole of shipping details at that second. But in theory it is all there. The proposal is therefore to propose some minor technical changes with an eye on the Privacy requirements, but ensure that sufficiently useful access and information exists to permit the nog to do their job. I would be most interested to collect opinions about positive technical suggestions, leave it the way it is, or make these suggested changes. Rgds Roger De Salis ====================================================== Joe's comments came back as:- (and appear to me to be eminently reasonable. I hope he will not mind me re-publishing.) For the record, it's only ns99 and rata that currently permit zone transfers; none of the others do. A good compromise might be to restrict zone transfers from ns99 to "all authoritative servers plus authorised hosts" to allow people like Peter to continue to pull the data, without having to mess about with ftp. Domainz could authorise hosts as they saw fit (I would expect the authorisation policy to be fairly non-restrictive). The driver for doing this, remember, is to prevent the unscrupulous walking the DNS, enumerating domain names for the purposes of evil spam; it's not to stop record harvesting for the purposes of generating statistics. This is just for ns99 -- I would expect other authoritative servers to deny transfers from _anybody_. Maintaining a current transfer access list on every secondary is unnecessary. Being overly restrictive on this issue could be problematic anyway; for example CLEAR and Xtra have access to the zone files since they operate authoritative nameservers for the benefit of the community. It would be bizarre if other providers were denied access to the same information simply because they're small (or focused on niche services). Joe ================================================================ -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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.nz Secondary -- Victoria University upgrading Bind to 8.2
by Patrick O'Brien 25 May '99

25 May '99

NZNOG'ers, FYI, Victoria University are in the process of upgrading the .nz Secondary from Bind 4.9(ish) to 8.2. In doing so, they will be restricting zone transfers to the Primary and Secondary .nz zone machines. Richard Stevenson is the contact, at Victoria My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Roger Hicks' email address
by Frank March 24 May '99

24 May '99

Folks: Off topic; unless the intention is to offer Roger a beer, I suppose, but does anyone know what his address is these days? Apparently his old Clear address is no longer operational. I would appreciate any assistance. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz.org.isocnz newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz
by Joe Abley 21 May '99

21 May '99

Hello people, Is anybody able to set up a tiny newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226), feeding only nz.org.isocnz? Tardis won't be originating any messages. Path entry tardis.patho.gen.nz. Many thanks in giddy anticipation :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C]
by Roger De Salis 19 May '99

19 May '99

-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C] -Reply
by Brett Telfer 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, This address is part of the 210.55.x.x blocks being advertised by NetGate. I have passed on the message to Don (contactable at nic(a)netgate.net.nz), and he will be contacting Wayne directly to help sort this out. Regards BT >>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 20/May/1999 01:15pm >>> -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Discussion list for .nz registry changes
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 19 May '99

19 May '99

Domainz has announced changes which will have a commercial and technical impact for any organisation that registers domain names on behalf of their customers. The changes are described at:- http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/access.htm http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/POB-Customer-id-FAQ.htm 2Day Internet Limited considers there is considerable merit in discussing this topic with other providers before posting any comment to DOMAINZ. Accordingly, we have created a list server for discussion. Any person or organisation with a commercial interest in this topic is invited to subscribe by sending a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with NO subject and the word JOIN in the body. A welcome message with instructions on how to participate will then be sent to you. -- regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mysteriously large ping times...?
by Joe Abley 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, Could some kind Telstra-, NetGate- and Xtra-connected people possibly do a couple of traceroutes for me, and mail me the results? I'm seeing some unusually high ping times into these networks, and I suspect that return traffic is coming back by a strange and unusual route. If people could trace to 203.97.1.241 and 203.167.224.1 (and include the address they're tracing from) it would be most appreciated. Probably best not to copy the list tho, unless this is of widespread interest for some peculiar reason :) Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting people who need to know
by Patrick O'Brien 18 May '99

18 May '99

Peter, > Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I am not sure where this has been stated, but I have *not* stated this. Certainly I cannot supply you Peter with a list of organisations as you seek below -- there are issues of Privacy. > Is DOMAINZ willing to provide us with a list of:- > > * E-mail addresses that regularly submit applications to > 4e-mail.channel(a)domainz.net.nz or registry(a)domainz.waikato.ac.nz > * Host names of computers (other than www.domainz.net.nz) that > regularly access the scripts on domainz.waikato.ac.nz Initial details have been sent to isocnz list, nz nog, and nz.general. I never said that this was the only place it would go. We *are* working on how we do our best to contact as many users of the service that will be affected, as you would expect a service driven organisation to do. However, I did make a committment to get the things "out of the box" for discussion, particularly to the NZNOG by yesterday, Tuesday. I met this committment. I have no issues with the ideas being discussed on one, two or many lists. My problem is that I do not have time to monitor a myriad of lists. It *is* important though that we hear the outcomes of any discussion by next week. This *does* require a formal channel for information to get posted back to Domainz, which is why I've provided a separate e-mail address. I've also asked for some specific information from each Registrar. Again, I do not think that they ought be publishing that kind of sensitive information to a public list. Thus they can use the formal channel provided. For your information I've posted to the NZNOG list and ISOCNZ lists too. Apologies in advance for the cross-posting. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:35 PM To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com Subject: Re: Contacting people who need to know Welcome to people who have joined the list over the last 24 hours. I think it would be great if folk could take some time reading the DOMAINZ documents and considering how the changes will effect their business. Whilst you are doing this, others are joining the list. My original post was to ISOCNZ's list and the NZNOG list. I had hoped DOMAINZ would see its way clear to helping us get people who dont follow either list but it appears Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I have now e-mailed the soa email address for each ISP listed in the back of Netguide magazine. Does anybody have any other ideas on how we can get as many people as possible who may be effected by the registry changes participating here? I am very concerned about those folk who have written scripts to talk to domainz.waikato.ac.nz in the absence of a WHOIS server. NSI made a major snafu when they changed the internic WHOIS without consultation. It made more than a few ISP's and WPP's look bloody silly. Remember if our services are effected by something DOMAINZ does, its us that looks bad, not the registry. I'm not suggesting that anything DOMAINZ is proposing is silly or unreasonable. I am saying people need to be informed so they can plan for the changes. I remain puzzled as to why DOMAINZ would think it OK to advise changes only on its own web site and a few special interest lists. I intend to pick up on the things I think are significant about the changes in about 48 hours time. In the meantime, could I ask that everybody post a short intro message stating who they are / who they represent so others have an idea who is participating. Thanks! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- ------------------------------------------------------- The registry-discuss list is provided free of charge by 2Day Internet Limited. To unsubscribe send a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with no subject and the word LEAVE in the body. Report problems to postmaster(a)2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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