Re: [nznog] Fwd: DNCL Second Level Consultation and Submissions

30 May 2012

      On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
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On 30 May 2012 15:25, Nicholas Lee  wrote:
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In the case of a dispute, it would be better to allow the domain holder
with
the longest third level registration to have priority for the second
level.
Bah Humbug!
why would you even consider putting an approval/sunrise or other
process in place just because there are existing $STRING.$STRING.nz
names?
Makes no sense; if a party feels that a 2ld is diluting their brand
then they should have to demonstrate that they have taken steps to
protect it - AKA Trademark laws.
Firstly, not every company in NZ can afford to pay for a trademark or a
peon.  Second, the same trademark can happen for different areas.

My point is about timing, if several years ago ago I registered
simpleshortname.co.nz for whatever usage, why would I have registered that
if I could have instead registered simpleshortname.nz?

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Simon Green  wrote:
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On 30 May 2012 13:25, Nicholas Lee  wrote:
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In the case of a dispute, it would be better to allow the domain holder
with
the longest third level registration to have priority for the second
level.
Why? That doesn't seem fair.
What's fair got to do with a domain holder who has been paying for a domain
for 10+ years - thus contributing to the domain infrastructure for that
period - have less rights than someone who has only had a domain for 1 year?

Here is a personal example:

nic(a)vpn:~$ whois kiwa.co.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 1998-02-17T00:00:00+13:00
nic(a)vpn:~$ whois kiwa.net.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 2011-07-05T20:57:01+12:00

and an example that goes the other way:

nic(a)vpn:~$ whois ii.net.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 2001-01-16T15:21:12+13:00
nic(a)vpn:~$ whois ii.co.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 1999-10-20T00:00:00+13:00

Whatever the case, *.co.nz will likely be keep by most existing holders.
Shifting email domains is much harder than web pages. Overall I
less positives in this based on increased costs vs a system that has worked
thus far.

Nicholas