Re: [nznog] Network Engineer position available at Smartlinx3Ltd Upper Hutt

Agreed, theres far too much moaning about inappropriate posts. d. On 28/05/07, Russell Tester wrote:

Perhaps the powers that be and the list in general need to come up with some granular list guidelines on what is / isn't appropriate to post to this list, and make it available for all to see. It seems that most of the traffic of this list at times is what is and isn't appropriate.

And I don't have a problem with Job adds.

2c --Russ

-----Original Message----- From: Keith Davidson [mailto:keith(a)wise.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 28 May 2007 8:30 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Network Engineer position available at Smartlinx3Ltd Upper Hutt

Jamie does raise an interesting point. I have been guilty of posting situations vacant adverts to this list in the past, for goverance roles within InternetNZ - which are definitely not network operations roles, but responses from this list have sometimes been more useful than traditional advertising, I guess because many on the list know people who would have

suitable skills and expertise and knowledge of the "InternetNZ" way...

But I think the original posting expressed some concern that it might end up luring staff away from his operation. My guess here is that if people are scanning the sits vacants, they are already not happy in their current role and looking to move on regardless, so the upshot is its best for all parties.

Further, at least I qualify the adverts I place with the proviso that I will provide beer to those offended by the ads, and I have some debts to pay in Dunedin next year...

Keith Davidson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Baddeley" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] Network Engineer position available at Smartlinx 3Ltd Upper Hutt

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Whilst I'm not keen to see the list denigrate into a jobs list, I'd note that this list has been used in the past by the list moderators for exactly that. Many other folks have also done it from time to time with no complaint.

So the cat is out of the bag so to speak. So, based on the precedent set by the moderators - which seems to be "advertising jobs is ok", the question is now, what sort of jobs are on topic.

My take is this:

"Jobs involving network operations, advertised by network operators themselves"

I think to do anything less would be extremely unfair to Smartlinx and fairly hypocritical of the moderators to decide anything less.

jamie

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I don't mind seeing recruitment messages, but I quit off the PHPUG mailing list last week because of them. The recruitment attempts were all more or less asking for a seasoned professional and offering to

On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 17:17 +1200, Justin Cook wrote: pay

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a gas station wage. Mentioning the imbalance caused several members to wet their pants and cry foul; saying that we don't want to offend the sweatshop employers who were trolling the list. Ironically the job in question was to build a spambot, and the loudest crybaby was a known google spammer who turned out to have passed along the list details to the spambot employer in the first place. You can see how it gets ugly

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quick.

I don't think job posts to this list are appropriate. Why not start a separate IT job list?

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Gerard Creamer wrote:

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Is this an appropriate use of the list?

This is a serious question - we have positions come available from

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time to time and in the past haven't posted here in the belief that it wouldn't be appropriate, so if it is ok we'll add it to our recruitment strategy for technical network team members.

Personally, as an employer, I think it shouldn't be OK as I like introduce my team members to the list and to encourage them to subscribe, and it seems odd to encourage subscription to a list that I know will deliver inducements to leave us.

Gerard

With all the "please contact me off list" posts and the people that

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seem to get precious about classifying these posts as "valid mailing list traffic" I'd be guessing that the answer to this question is a resounding "yes !" after all, this is supposed to be a generic contact list right ? and recruitment is simply another way of getting in contact with people that you want to do a job.

I say go hard, this is a great forum for findign new recrits and contacting people that you would normally have to call a helpdesk or something for.

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