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Alexander Neilson

14 Jun 2014 14 Jun '14

5:51 a.m.

Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes? Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited alexander(a)neilson.net.nz 021 329 681 022 456 2326

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Yes, now how did that manage to get through my Eaton DC system.... hmmm... -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Alexander Neilson Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 10:51 a.m. To: nznog Subject: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes? Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited alexander(a)neilson.net.nz 021 329 681 022 456 2326 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Michael Fincham

5:59 a.m.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote:

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Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything. -- Michael

Tony Wicks

6:05 a.m.

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins, -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote:

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Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything. -- Michael

Liam Farr

1:36 p.m.

Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B. -- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624 Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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Dean Pemberton

15 Jun 15 Jun

6:13 a.m.

Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world? APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know: Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland? I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking" Regards, Dean On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote:

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Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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Skeeve Stevens

6:22 a.m.

Best proposal ever. First time I saw it and went up there I was thinking 'What the hell?!' It would be like putting a DC at the top of Centrepoint Tower in Sydney... completely insane and crazy. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Dean Pemberton wrote:

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Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know:

Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland?

I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking"

Regards, Dean

On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote:

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Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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McDonald Richards

6:24 a.m.

And all that glass must do wonders for the PUE…. Macca From: Skeeve Stevens mailto:skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz> Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 9:22 AM To: Dean Pemberton mailto:dean(a)deanpemberton.com> Cc: nznog mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Best proposal ever. First time I saw it and went up there I was thinking 'What the hell?!' It would be like putting a DC at the top of Centrepoint Tower in Sydney... completely insane and crazy. ...Skeeve Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nzmailto:skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nzhttp://www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworkshttp://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeevehttp://linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguyhttp://twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.comhttp://www.theispguy.com/ [http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png] The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Dean Pemberton mailto:nznog(a)deanpemberton.com> wrote: Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world? APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know: Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland? I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking" Regards, Dean On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr mailto:liamfarr(a)me.com> wrote:

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Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks mailto:tony(a)wicks.co.nz> wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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Liam Farr

6:23 a.m.

It's not so much that APE is there. Honestly APE has less value compared to the other cross connects I have at SKY in terms of a reason for co-locating there. It's more that every other carrier / ISP / random guy with an AS has a presence there, so is a handy spot to interconnect. If there was a decent DC in the CBD, where everyone else was, and that wasn't excruciatingly expensive, then I'm sure we'd all be there instead. Also Citylink seem to have a default pricing policy that's, "well try and make it really expensive to connect to APE everywhere else but sky", which seems to have sane pricing for historical reasons. -- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624 Sent from my iPhone

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On 16/06/2014, at 11:13 am, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know:

Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland?

I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking"

Regards, Dean

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote: Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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Dave Mill

6:27 a.m.

We have equipment in both SkyT and Kingston St. For us Kingston St has been less reliable than the SkyT lately. What reliable locations are there on APE in Auckland? And from what Liam said before, do any of these locations have a lot of us in them already? Cheers Dave On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

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It's not so much that APE is there.

Honestly APE has less value compared to the other cross connects I have at SKY in terms of a reason for co-locating there.

It's more that every other carrier / ISP / random guy with an AS has a presence there, so is a handy spot to interconnect.

If there was a decent DC in the CBD, where everyone else was, and that wasn't excruciatingly expensive, then I'm sure we'd all be there instead.

Also Citylink seem to have a default pricing policy that's, "well try and make it really expensive to connect to APE everywhere else but sky", which seems to have sane pricing for historical reasons.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 16/06/2014, at 11:13 am, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know:

Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland?

I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking"

Regards, Dean

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote: Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

Sent from my iPhone

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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Joel

6:36 a.m.

Hi List I recently had to look over all the datacentres available in Auckland and their connectivity to APE. There are only three locations in Auckland (SkyTower, 220 Queen, Telco House) at which Citylink will sell you a port to APE for a very reasonable price. Other locations such as at Vocus are much more expensive, presumably as their costs are higher in those locations. SkyTower is complicated, Telco House is pretty much full, which leaves 220 Queen as the place to be. Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. Regards Joel van Velden On 16/06/2014 11:27 a.m., Dave Mill wrote:

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We have equipment in both SkyT and Kingston St. For us Kingston St has been less reliable than the SkyT lately.

What reliable locations are there on APE in Auckland? And from what Liam said before, do any of these locations have a lot of us in them already?

Cheers Dave

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Liam Farr mailto:liamfarr(a)me.com> wrote:

It's not so much that APE is there.

Honestly APE has less value compared to the other cross connects I have at SKY in terms of a reason for co-locating there.

It's more that every other carrier / ISP / random guy with an AS has a presence there, so is a handy spot to interconnect.

If there was a decent DC in the CBD, where everyone else was, and that wasn't excruciatingly expensive, then I'm sure we'd all be there instead.

Also Citylink seem to have a default pricing policy that's, "well try and make it really expensive to connect to APE everywhere else but sky", which seems to have sane pricing for historical reasons.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 tel:%2B64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624 tel:%2B64-27-5222624

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> On 16/06/2014, at 11:13 am, Dean Pemberton mailto:nznog(a)deanpemberton.com> wrote: > > Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for > co-lo in the world? > > APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an > industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not > all at once, but I'd be interested to know: > > Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment > there today? > Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? > Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on > APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland? > > I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future > which went along the lines of: > "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering > exchange in the sky tower?" > "Heh - yeah what were we thinking" > > > Regards, > Dean > > >> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr mailto:liamfarr(a)me.com> wrote: >> Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Liam Farr >> +64-22-6107884 tel:%2B64-22-6107884 >> +64-27-5222624 tel:%2B64-27-5222624 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks mailto:tony(a)wicks.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>> tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime >>> 11:04AM up 24 mins, >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>> [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham >>> Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. >>> To: nznog >>> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower >>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: >>>> Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes? >>> >>> We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) >>> hasn't spotted anything. >>> >>> -- >>> Michael >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NZNOG mailing list >>> NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NZNOG mailing list >> NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Dean Pemberton

6:45 a.m.

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

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Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said.

Simon Allard

6:59 a.m.

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel mailto:joel(a)hd.net.nz> wrote: Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. ________________________________ Spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=s Not spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=n Forget previous votehttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=f

Tony Wicks

7:05 a.m.

If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel mailto:joel(a)hd.net.nz > wrote: Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. _____ Spam https://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=s Not spam https://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=n Forget previous vote https://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=f

McDonald Richards

7:08 a.m.

I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive… Macca From: Tony Wicks mailto:tony(a)wicks.co.nz> Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' mailto:Simon.Allard(a)team.orcon.net.nz> Cc: 'nznog' mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel mailto:joel(a)hd.net.nz> wrote: Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. ________________________________ Spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=s Not spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=n Forget previous votehttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeLKA6r&m=524d052aab3c&t=20140616&c=f

Neil Fenemor

7:12 a.m.

Yeah, 220 Queen Street do have a number of providers (*waves*), and they do not run their own community rack, they’ve previously indicated that they’re not against someone doing that on their behalf. As for Mayoral Drive, I believe that they are fast running out of footprints. -- Neil Fenemor | +64 21 978 078 | Facetime | Skype On 16 June 2014 at 12:08:51 pm, McDonald Richards (mcdonald.richards(a)vocus.com.au) wrote: I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive… Macca From: Tony Wicks Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this. From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote: Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. Spam Not spam Forget previous vote _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Lincoln Reid

7:18 a.m.

On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 12:12 +1200, Neil Fenemor wrote:

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As for Mayoral Drive, I believe that they are fast running out of footprints.

I can confirm this. We were asked nicely to start using one that was allocated to us or lose it around the beginning of this year due to them running out of space. Cheers, -- Lincoln Reid Head of Networks ACSData - AS18119 lincoln(a)acsdata.co.nz Phone: +64 4 939 2200 Fax: +64 4 939 2201

Tim Hoffman

7:18 a.m.

220 queen also has the advantage of cross connects being (from memory) a $50 one off with no monthly charge! It is also the sort of place that is suited to servers being located there rather than just being a Brolocation site suited at best only for a couple of routers. The sooner we all get our or the failtower the better! --Hoff Sent from my iPhone

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On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Neil Fenemor wrote:

Yeah, 220 Queen Street do have a number of providers (*waves*), and they do not run their own community rack, they’ve previously indicated that they’re not against someone doing that on their behalf.

As for Mayoral Drive, I believe that they are fast running out of footprints.

-- Neil Fenemor | +64 21 978 078 | Facetime | Skype

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On 16 June 2014 at 12:08:51 pm, McDonald Richards (mcdonald.richards(a)vocus.com.au) wrote:

I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive…

Macca

From: Tony Wicks Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this.

From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment?

And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process.

Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said.

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Jamie Baddeley

7:37 a.m.

Hi Guys, Citylink have been in the process of refreshing it's core infrastructure over the last few months. The big nodes for us in Auckland are Kingston and 220 Queen for many of the reasons that folks have already outlined. That's not to say Sky Tower is not important to us - it's just got different (ahem) qualities. So from Citylink's perspective 220 Queen is good. The sales guys tell me there's a bit of space at Kingston too. Having said that we're always focussed on making the APE a distributed exchange point so in reality it shouldn't really matter where you are (inside the footprint of course). I guess you'd just need to weigh up whether being able to shop around for colocation and all of it's associated costs and the benefits that brings vs the cost of APE connectivity. Simply put we think the cost of making the wrong choice for colocation will outweigh any APE stuff. Others have mentioned Mayoral Drive too. Falling out of the NZNOG conference this year was a message to get APE in there. We're working on that. Because we try to keep the cost of delivery low, we're having to be a little creative - essentially allowing us to set up crossconnects from an APE switch inside the site when we've been hosted by a 3rd party. Last time I spoke to someone at Chorus about this they said it wouldn't be until October until they could get into that. Others have also mentioned a cost difference that is largely there for historical reasons. Citylink are actually looking at normalising the pricing across the APE to make it fairer for everyone. That's inline with our aim to have a distributed IXP so that it really doesn't matter where you are. It'd be neat to see a list of locations around Auckland and who is where. That'll help us to make sure the APE is where you need it to be. Cheers jamie On 16 June 2014 12:08, McDonald Richards wrote:

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I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive…

Macca

From: Tony Wicks Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this.

*From:* nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [ mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz ] *On Behalf Of *Simon Allard *Sent:* Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. *To:* nznog *Subject:* Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

*From:*nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [ mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz ] *On Behalf Of *Dean Pemberton *Sent:* Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. *To:* Joel *Cc:* nznog *Subject:* Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment?

And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process.

Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said.

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Tim Hoffman

7:40 a.m.

Jamie, As one of the ones who gave the feedback about you needing to be in Mayoral with an APE node, thank you to Citylink for being responsive to the feedback from the community! --Hoff Sent from my iPhone

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On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

Hi Guys,

Citylink have been in the process of refreshing it's core infrastructure over the last few months. The big nodes for us in Auckland are Kingston and 220 Queen for many of the reasons that folks have already outlined. That's not to say Sky Tower is not important to us - it's just got different (ahem) qualities. So from Citylink's perspective 220 Queen is good. The sales guys tell me there's a bit of space at Kingston too.

Having said that we're always focussed on making the APE a distributed exchange point so in reality it shouldn't really matter where you are (inside the footprint of course). I guess you'd just need to weigh up whether being able to shop around for colocation and all of it's associated costs and the benefits that brings vs the cost of APE connectivity. Simply put we think the cost of making the wrong choice for colocation will outweigh any APE stuff.

Others have mentioned Mayoral Drive too. Falling out of the NZNOG conference this year was a message to get APE in there. We're working on that. Because we try to keep the cost of delivery low, we're having to be a little creative - essentially allowing us to set up crossconnects from an APE switch inside the site when we've been hosted by a 3rd party. Last time I spoke to someone at Chorus about this they said it wouldn't be until October until they could get into that.

Others have also mentioned a cost difference that is largely there for historical reasons. Citylink are actually looking at normalising the pricing across the APE to make it fairer for everyone. That's inline with our aim to have a distributed IXP so that it really doesn't matter where you are.

It'd be neat to see a list of locations around Auckland and who is where. That'll help us to make sure the APE is where you need it to be.

Cheers

jamie

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On 16 June 2014 12:08, McDonald Richards wrote: I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive…

Macca

From: Tony Wicks Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this.

From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment?

And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process.

Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said.

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Karl Hardisty

9:21 a.m.

Jamie, Normalising pricing would help immensely. The last pricing we received meant we’d pay 5 times the rate for Sky and 220 to pick it up in Vocus’ DC in Albany, even though there’s gear in Vocus. Sky Tower power is a known variable. 220 has a few variables, power and otherwise, from what we’ve seen, and also heard from various operators in there. Getting into Mayoral Drive is difficult, and not just due to price. Whilst power issues in Sky Tower can be mitigated (which isn't so useful when others don’t) as mentioned, a quality facility central to Auckland for this purpose would be welcome. k. lE karl(a)mothership.co.nz lW mothership.co.nz lA PO Box 99814, Newmarket lM 021 999 990 lP 974 3171 On 16/06/2014, at 12:40 pm, Tim Hoffman wrote:

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Jamie,

As one of the ones who gave the feedback about you needing to be in Mayoral with an APE node, thank you to Citylink for being responsive to the feedback from the community!

--Hoff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

...
Hi Guys,

Citylink have been in the process of refreshing it's core infrastructure over the last few months. The big nodes for us in Auckland are Kingston and 220 Queen for many of the reasons that folks have already outlined. That's not to say Sky Tower is not important to us - it's just got different (ahem) qualities. So from Citylink's perspective 220 Queen is good. The sales guys tell me there's a bit of space at Kingston too.

Having said that we're always focussed on making the APE a distributed exchange point so in reality it shouldn't really matter where you are (inside the footprint of course). I guess you'd just need to weigh up whether being able to shop around for colocation and all of it's associated costs and the benefits that brings vs the cost of APE connectivity. Simply put we think the cost of making the wrong choice for colocation will outweigh any APE stuff.

Others have mentioned Mayoral Drive too. Falling out of the NZNOG conference this year was a message to get APE in there. We're working on that. Because we try to keep the cost of delivery low, we're having to be a little creative - essentially allowing us to set up crossconnects from an APE switch inside the site when we've been hosted by a 3rd party. Last time I spoke to someone at Chorus about this they said it wouldn't be until October until they could get into that.

Others have also mentioned a cost difference that is largely there for historical reasons. Citylink are actually looking at normalising the pricing across the APE to make it fairer for everyone. That's inline with our aim to have a distributed IXP so that it really doesn't matter where you are.

It'd be neat to see a list of locations around Auckland and who is where. That'll help us to make sure the APE is where you need it to be.

Cheers

jamie

On 16 June 2014 12:08, McDonald Richards wrote: I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive…

Macca

From: Tony Wicks Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this.

From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment?

And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process.

Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said.

jon.brewer

5:11 p.m.

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On 15/06/2014, at 19:59, Simon Allard wrote:

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

What can you tell us about cross-connect policy at Chorus / Telecom exchanges?

Jamie Baddeley

5:43 p.m.

I can offer some comment about that. Prior to NZNOG conference this year I would have described it as Cambrian, or perhaps Jurassic. Or somesuch. But after the NOG conference this year, and with the clear majority support of members of a group which included Snap, FX, Callplus, Kordia, WXC, Voyager, Actrix, DTS, Orcon, RuralLink, Inspire, Unleash, Vodafone, Vocus we put forward an approach which sought to improve this policy. I forget now but basically 9 stepped forward in support and 5 didn't get around to it. It was listened to by Chorus. And promises were made. So now we wait to see if we can emerge into a more modern age. I've no reason to think otherwise. I'd like to think that something as agricultural as Cross Connect Policy should be quite considerate of the broader demands of the Internet Community to keep traffic fast and local where it makes sense. Reckon we'll need that in this brave new UFB age. jamie On 16 June 2014 22:11, jon.brewer wrote:

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On 15/06/2014, at 19:59, Simon Allard wrote:

Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame.

What can you tell us about cross-connect policy at Chorus / Telecom exchanges?

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McDonald Richards

5:56 p.m.

…So it’s better – but mind the TAPs :) Macca From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Jamie Baddeley Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:43 PM To: jon.brewer Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower I can offer some comment about that. Prior to NZNOG conference this year I would have described it as Cambrian, or perhaps Jurassic. Or somesuch. But after the NOG conference this year, and with the clear majority support of members of a group which included Snap, FX, Callplus, Kordia, WXC, Voyager, Actrix, DTS, Orcon, RuralLink, Inspire, Unleash, Vodafone, Vocus we put forward an approach which sought to improve this policy. I forget now but basically 9 stepped forward in support and 5 didn't get around to it. It was listened to by Chorus. And promises were made. So now we wait to see if we can emerge into a more modern age. I've no reason to think otherwise. I'd like to think that something as agricultural as Cross Connect Policy should be quite considerate of the broader demands of the Internet Community to keep traffic fast and local where it makes sense. Reckon we'll need that in this brave new UFB age. jamie On 16 June 2014 22:11, jon.brewer mailto:jon.brewer(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 15/06/2014, at 19:59, Simon Allard mailto:Simon.Allard(a)team.orcon.net.nz> wrote: Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. What can you tell us about cross-connect policy at Chorus / Telecom exchanges? _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Simon Allard

16 Jun 16 Jun

12:18 p.m.

Cross connects are fairly basic to order (assuming you are the Chorus customer directly). It just takes 4 weeks to get done! *sigh* From: jon.brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:11 p.m. To: Simon Allard Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower On 15/06/2014, at 19:59, Simon Allard mailto:Simon.Allard(a)team.orcon.net.nz> wrote: Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. What can you tell us about cross-connect policy at Chorus / Telecom exchanges? ________________________________ Spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeWb9NO&m=7418ccdd6b12&t=20140616&c=s Not spamhttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeWb9NO&m=7418ccdd6b12&t=20140616&c=n Forget previous votehttps://emailguard.orcon.net.nz/canit/b.php?i=09MeWb9NO&m=7418ccdd6b12&t=20140616&c=f

Tristram Cheer

15 Jun 15 Jun

7:07 a.m.

For change to occur there has to be good reason to, Other than being 48 levels up ( 7.0 to 8.0 only expected to cause minor damage IIRC) what reason is there to change? Are other locations better protected against disaster? On 16 June 2014 11:45, Dean Pemberton wrote:

...

Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment?

And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel wrote:

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Tristram Cheer

6:27 a.m.

I'm with Liam, It's far too costly to move out of there, every man and his dog is there, every carrier I have come across is there and APE are REAL pricey anywhere but ST On 16 June 2014 11:23, Liam Farr wrote:

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It's not so much that APE is there.

Honestly APE has less value compared to the other cross connects I have at SKY in terms of a reason for co-locating there.

It's more that every other carrier / ISP / random guy with an AS has a presence there, so is a handy spot to interconnect.

If there was a decent DC in the CBD, where everyone else was, and that wasn't excruciatingly expensive, then I'm sure we'd all be there instead.

Also Citylink seem to have a default pricing policy that's, "well try and make it really expensive to connect to APE everywhere else but sky", which seems to have sane pricing for historical reasons.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

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On 16/06/2014, at 11:13 am, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know:

Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland?

I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking"

Regards, Dean

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote: Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes?

We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

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Damian Kissick

6:45 a.m.

We're re-assessing our Sky Tower footprint at the moment. No doubt it is great for radio, not so much for co-location. Actrix has been up there for some time and I suspect that back in the 90s there weren't many options for points of presence so everyone just landed there. In Citylink's defense, there are currently three places to interconnect where it isn't it really expensive - 220 Queen Street, their DC and Sky tower but I do I wish there were more. Cheers, - Damian -- Damian Kissick Technical Manager Actrix Networks 0800 ACTRIX On 16/06/14 11:23, Liam Farr wrote:

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It's not so much that APE is there.

Honestly APE has less value compared to the other cross connects I have at SKY in terms of a reason for co-locating there.

It's more that every other carrier / ISP / random guy with an AS has a presence there, so is a handy spot to interconnect.

If there was a decent DC in the CBD, where everyone else was, and that wasn't excruciatingly expensive, then I'm sure we'd all be there instead.

Also Citylink seem to have a default pricing policy that's, "well try and make it really expensive to connect to APE everywhere else but sky", which seems to have sane pricing for historical reasons.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

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On 16/06/2014, at 11:13 am, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

APE's available at a whole lot of places around Auckland now, as an industry should we be looking at a move away from the SkyTower? Not all at once, but I'd be interested to know:

Who still thinks it's a critical place and would deploy new equipment there today? Anyone have it as their only point of possible APE interconnect in Auckland? Is anyone not aware that there are loads of other places to get on APE/do peering/hand off in Auckland?

I'd like to be having a conversation in the not to distant future which went along the lines of: "Heh, remember those crazy days when we used to have a peering exchange in the sky tower?" "Heh - yeah what were we thinking"

Regards, Dean

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Liam Farr wrote: Yep, saw the same event on 48. We have an ATS in front of our ups, so must have lost A & B.

-- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624

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On 15/06/2014, at 11:05 am, Tony Wicks wrote:

tonyw(a)skysw-2> show system uptime 11:04AM up 24 mins,

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham Sent: Sunday, 15 June 2014 11:00 a.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:51:11 +1200, Alexander Neilson wrote: Did anyone else notice a power event in sky tower in the last 15 Minutes? We saw a Vocus peer go away and come back at 10:40, but our UPS (on 48) hasn't spotted anything.

-- Michael

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On 15 Jun 2014, at 19:13, Dean Pemberton wrote:

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Hands up for Level 48 (or ST as a whole) being the stupidest place for co-lo in the world?

To be fair, when we first wrangled a switch onto that floor there was no other colo facility that was on-net for everybody doing metro fibre, and no real plausible alternative that wasn't either a Telecom facility, a CLEAR facility or a TelstraNZ facility. Metro fibre in those days being expensive, there was also enthusiasm from some about the ability to do a radio shot back to the network. (I appreciate things have moved on, and change is good, but I felt an urge to explain myself :-) Joe

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Karl Hardisty
Liam Farr
Lincoln Reid
McDonald Richards
Michael Fincham
Neil Fenemor
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