Hi, I don’t recall this being communicated, I know a few people who attend NZNOG (some APNIC members some not) but work in the general ISP / Telco Community and associated fields, that would like to attend if the price was reasonable…. (People who have attended past NZNOG’s). Seems a real shame that NZNOG is in Auckland for once, and actually half the people won’t go because $$$$…. fail. Also I found that NZNOG has a really good social / networking element to it, (as well as good content), you get to meet other people who you otherwise wouldn’t, I suspect with the pricing its going to attract a different more corporate crowd which is a shame :( My 2c. Liam

On 7/12/2015, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

Hi All,

It happens that InternetNZ has a fund specifically to help members of the community attend conferences.

https://internetnz.nz/conference-attendance-community-grants-round https://internetnz.nz/conference-attendance-community-grants-round

Applications are due by mid-day today, which is in 22 minutes.

I wonder how well this funding availability was communicated to the NOG? There's some overlap between NZNOG people and InternetNZ people, right?

Regards,

Jon

On 7 December 2015 at 07:45, Patrick Jordan-Smith mailto:patrick(a)jordan-smith.org> wrote: Hi guys and mostly the NZNOG trustees (whoever they are at the moment.)

I remember seeing a while back that some funds were going to be made available for helping people fund the cost of attending Apricot (since it's taking the place of the 2016 conference.)

Did anything ever eventuate out of this? The cost for Apricot is significantly higher than the usual nznog cost plus hotels etc if you're not from Auckland. Would be good to see some clarity on this given that early bird tickets are now closed and not everyone has a corporate to fund their attendance.

Even if its a "its not happening" comment that would be still helpful.

Alternately have the trustees talked to the Apricot organisers at all about possibilities?

Thanks, Pat

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Hi Folks, Following on from our email in August ( http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2015-August/021864.html) , in somewhat typical fashion the trustees (and friends) are pulling something together at the last freaking minute. We hope in a few short days that we'll be able to confirm arrangements. I went to APRICOT in Hong Kong and Singapore. They were amazing. Almost as amazing as Steve K's dancing in Hong Kong. On a more serious note, these are the peak conferences for our technical community in this part of the world. Don't regret not going to one when it's been in your backyard. And it's not a corporate crowd. It's our crowd. cheers Jamie (on behalf of NZNOG trustees). On 7 December 2015 at 19:08, Alastair Johnson wrote:

On 12/6/15 2:45 PM, Liam Farr wrote:

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Hi,

I don’t recall this being communicated, I know a few people who attend NZNOG (some APNIC members some not) but work in the general ISP / Telco Community and associated fields, that would like to attend if the price was reasonable…. (People who have attended past NZNOG’s).

Seems a real shame that NZNOG is in Auckland for once, and actually half the people won’t go because $$$$…. fail.

Also I found that NZNOG has a really good social / networking element to it, (as well as good content), you get to meet other people who you otherwise wouldn’t, I suspect with the pricing its going to attract a different more corporate crowd which is a shame :(

While APRICOT might be more expensive than NZNOG, I assure you that you will find the social networking aspect, the excellent content, and many new people to talk to.

The fact that one of the biggest networking conferences in the region is coming to AKL should be a really strong reason for people in NZ to attend APRICOT, hear international perspectives as well as local, and see the wider community.

I know it's costly, but it's a much, much bigger event, and frankly, reasonably priced for a 1 week conference (on an international scale).

I do hope that the Trustees announce something to reduce the financial burden, but honestly, this should be an easy sell to your financial management - NZNOG /and/ APRICOT in one!

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Hi Folks, NZNOG http://www.nznog.org/ is the New Zealand Network Operators’ Group – an online community of network operators, predominantly in the Internet and Online Services area. NZNOG has no king, president, or formal membership. It consists of the subscribers to the NZNOG mailing list. The group is intended to facilitate discussion among operators of networks in New Zealand on matters relevant to network operators. Annual Conference Our annual conference provides both an opportunity to exchange technical information, and a high-value opportunity for NZ’s networking staff to ‘network’ amongst themselves. This is New Zealand’s only locally run technical networking conference. In 2016 we decided to work with our friends at APRICOT to help NZ Networking folks gain more skills and experience in operating internet technology so we've provided a modest grant to enable this fellowship. We look forward to you applying. We intend to resume the NZNOG conference in 2017. We hope to see you there. Please see here: https://fellowship.apnic.net/apply/ - You should be a NZ passport holder or at least hold a NZ work visa. - You are requested to post a summary of your experience or what you learnt at Apricot back to the NZNOG list so the NOG can gain benefit of their experiences. - Sections on travel and accomodation will be ignored. We'll pay for the entry fee and that's it. Everything else is up to you. - This fellowship is intended for regular NZNOG attendees. If you've not attended an NZNOG conference in the past, then it is unlikely you will be selected. - The fellowship covers conference entry only. Workshops are not included. Application entry lasts for only a few short days. Sorry about that. Regards Jamie (on behalf of NZNOG Trustees) On 7 December 2015 at 22:06, Patrick Jordan-Smith wrote:

Cheers Jamie!

Glad you guys are on it.

@AJ - My intention was for those in the community who are students or are lower in the ranks of one of the larger guys where getting the OK for the ticket may prove challenging. Given the person is probably already taking paid or unpaid leave to attend.

Cheers, Pat

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

...

Hi Folks,

Following on from our email in August ( http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2015-August/021864.html) , in somewhat typical fashion the trustees (and friends) are pulling something together at the last freaking minute. We hope in a few short days that we'll be able to confirm arrangements.

I went to APRICOT in Hong Kong and Singapore. They were amazing. Almost as amazing as Steve K's dancing in Hong Kong.

On a more serious note, these are the peak conferences for our technical community in this part of the world. Don't regret not going to one when it's been in your backyard. And it's not a corporate crowd. It's our crowd.

cheers

Jamie (on behalf of NZNOG trustees).

On 7 December 2015 at 19:08, Alastair Johnson wrote:

...

On 12/6/15 2:45 PM, Liam Farr wrote:

...

Hi,

I don’t recall this being communicated, I know a few people who attend NZNOG (some APNIC members some not) but work in the general ISP / Telco Community and associated fields, that would like to attend if the price was reasonable…. (People who have attended past NZNOG’s).

Seems a real shame that NZNOG is in Auckland for once, and actually half the people won’t go because $$$$…. fail.

Also I found that NZNOG has a really good social / networking element to it, (as well as good content), you get to meet other people who you otherwise wouldn’t, I suspect with the pricing its going to attract a different more corporate crowd which is a shame :(

While APRICOT might be more expensive than NZNOG, I assure you that you will find the social networking aspect, the excellent content, and many new people to talk to.

The fact that one of the biggest networking conferences in the region is coming to AKL should be a really strong reason for people in NZ to attend APRICOT, hear international perspectives as well as local, and see the wider community.

I know it's costly, but it's a much, much bigger event, and frankly, reasonably priced for a 1 week conference (on an international scale).

I do hope that the Trustees announce something to reduce the financial burden, but honestly, this should be an easy sell to your financial management - NZNOG /and/ APRICOT in one!

AJ A decade of attending APRICOT, including at my own cost _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Following up from Gerard. GO AND APPLY. It's going to be a great summit and if the only thing stopping you from going was money, then NZNOG is offering you a way around that. In order to give you even more reasons to apply, here's a small teaser of the sorts of material that the Programme Committee has accepted thus far. We've got lots more in the pipeline. ------------------- "Prefix hijacked!" Yoshinobu Matsuzaki (IIJ) In early 2015, IIJ noticed one of its prefixes was being announced by someone else. IIJ traced the cause of the BGP announcement, and now believes it was an intentional activity - BGP hijacking by a malicious folks. I will share how we reacted against it, and lesson learned from the incident. ------------------- "Making the best of satellite links to Pacific Islands" Ulrich Speidel (University of Auckland) For many Pacific Islands, satellite links are currently the only viable option for Internet connectivity. These links invariably represent bottlenecks with long latency - something that TCP's flow control algorithms are well known to struggle with. We look at TCP behaviour on such links and argue that they don't work as well as simple tests may indicate. We also discuss possible solutions to the problem, and demonstrate that one of them - network coding - is able to accelerate TCP connections significantly if deployed across the bottleneck. ------------------- Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (BIER) Greg Shepherd (Cisco) The benefits of multi-point services are well understood, but the challenges with the current solutions often result in a failed cost/benefit analysis. Today only those networks with an overwhelming business need have successful multicast deployments, and the rest of the community have come to think of multicast as a failed technology. BIER (Bit Index Explicit Replication) is an alternative method of multicast forwarding. It does not require any multicast-specific trees, and hence does not require any multicast-specific tree building protocols. BIER radically simplifies the requirements for deploying and maintaining network replication for multicast application, and improves network performance for both native and MVPN services. ------------------- BGP Techniques for Network Operators Philip Smith (APIA) The tutorial introduces network operators to some more advanced BGP features and techniques to aid with operating their networks within the Internet. After a recap of iBGP, eBGP and common attributes (including 32-bit ASNs), the tutorial will look at the various scaling techniques available, when to use BGP instead of an IGP, and examine policy options available through the use of local preference, MED and communities. The second half of the tutorial looks at deployment techniques, including BGP network design, the announcing and receiving prefixes, aggregation, routing table growth and stability, finishing off with some configuration advice. ------------------- NOG BoF Yoshinobu Matsuzaki (IIJ) We have many NOG style communities in AP region, and each NOGs has own challenges. This BoF is aimed at sharing experience among NOG organizers - mostly focused on how to start up/maintain/continue/expand a NOG activities. Startup Budget NOG Contents Committee Servers Meetings Venue Volunteers Working Group ------------------- IPv6 Performance Geoffrey Huston (APNIC) This presentation looks into the relative performance of IPv6 and IPv4, using active measurements to examine the relative RTT and connection success rates to gain some insights into the relative performance of IPv4 and IPv6. ------------------- BGP in 2015 Geoffrey Huston (APNIC) This presentation is a summary of the routing system for 2015. ------------------- New Zealand Broadband Map Jamie Horrell (NZRS) Creating a visual representation of New Zealand's broadband infrastructure.

On 7 December 2015 at 14:53, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Ø I wonder how well this funding availability was communicated to the NOG? There's some overlap between NZNOG people and InternetNZ people, right?

I posted a while back (in August) about InternetNZ having some funding.

I presume NZNOG didn’t apply for this on behalf of its users (Should it off??) to offset the much more expensive cost of the Conference but individually people could have applied.

http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2015-August/021865.html

Cheers for that Craig. NZNOG Trustees? What say ye?