Mikrotik+certs+1970
Hi all, I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead. Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer? Cheers Sam
I use NTP on all of ours. Regards, Matthew Harrison The Top Dog p. 06 7566620 | e. matthew(a)primowireless.co.nz Please excuse the shortness of my email as it was sent from my iPhone.
On 3/06/2014, at 10:02, Sam Russell
wrote: Hi all,
I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead.
Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer?
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We have a private network to all our routers, in which we run a internal NTP server from the office which the NTP server has public internet access to get the updated time and then the routers will hit our internal NTP server to grab the latest time, this makes it a bit more secure then having each router open to the internet
Daniel
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I use NTP on all of ours.
Regards,
Matthew Harrison
The Top Dog
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Please excuse the shortness of my email as it was sent from my iPhone.
On 3/06/2014, at 10:02, Sam Russell
NTP is certainly the best way to go. I don't rely on anything to keep it's own time unless it's specifically a time-keeping device or connected to one (e.g. GPS). - Damian On 03/06/14 12:02, Sam Russell wrote:
Hi all,
I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead.
Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer?
Cheers Sam
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Hi Sam,
I am not sure if this is something you might want/can do, but with
openwrt you can set an initial "builddate" ( see :
https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=39835 ) setting this to
something more recent (i.e June 2014 ) etc solves some of the cert
crazy you might be experiencing. I've 'fixed' several non mikrotiks
with the same issue doing this.
Obviously you want to run tiered NTP as well, but this may be of use.
-Joel
On 3 June 2014 12:02, Sam Russell
Hi all,
I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead.
Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer?
Cheers Sam
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Hi Sam, In general I'd tend to agree that setting the certs to 1970 was a
bad idea, for one thing none of your logs will match up so troubleshooting
will be come difficult. You may want to consider CRL implications -
currently I don't think Mikrotik implements any CRL checking except for SSL
VPN, but at the rate Mikrotiks developers work that may change in the near
future.
Time wise, its basically NTP, unless you want to consider adding a GPS to
all of your nodes. If your devices are in one place then it might make
sense to have one or two mikrotiks act as a NTP time source for the rest.
If you have a hub and spoke model then perhaps the hub could provide the
time source for the spokes?
Russ
On 3 June 2014 01:02, Sam Russell
Hi all,
I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead.
Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer?
Cheers Sam
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Thanks all for the on and off-list replies. For more detail, these are
being installed at customer sites so they can phone home and build an SSTP
tunnel so I can remote admin the other kit at site. Given I'm going to need
internet access for these to be able to phone home, it's probably
reasonable to assume NTP will work if I can access the internet - it'd be a
real corner case for these nodes to be able to phone home but not reach an
NTP server.
tl;dr NTP is the way to go
On 3 June 2014 12:02, Sam Russell
Hi all,
I'm playing with mikrotiks for VPNs, and one of the "features" is that the RB750's we have don't hold time when they reboot. I'm planning to build them with NTP access (so if they can get internet then they can get time), but I'm also tempted to generate certs backdated to 1970 instead.
Is anyone else doing this? How do you get mikrotiks to validate certs if the clock keeps resetting on power off - is relying on NTP the answer?
Cheers Sam
participants (6)
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Damian Kissick
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Daniel Watson
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Joel Wirāmu Pauling
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Matthew Harrison - PrimoWireless Ltd
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Russell Tester
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Sam Russell