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Shane Hanson

7 Oct 2013 7 Oct '13

12:16 a.m.

Hello All I'm sure this question has been asked a number of times before but a quick search through the list and a Google pretty much draws a blank. I'm working for a service provider (Mothership) and we're trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers? Thanks SHANE lE mailto:shane(a)mothership.co.nz shane(a)mothership.co.nz lW http://mothership.co.nz/ mothership.co.nz lA PO Box 99814, Newmarket lM +64 21 623 903

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Steven Schmidt

7 Oct 7 Oct

12:39 a.m.

Hello All

I'm sure this question has been asked a number of times before but a quick search through the

One way, tag traffic on each interface to identify interface it was sourced on. Then you can identify traffic. i.e. Connection to APE, tagged domestic etc. If you purchase International transit from GG then tag international on the connecting interface. Slower way is to store packet information use source IP to do a GEO lookup. On 2013-10-08 07:16, Shane Hanson wrote: list and a Google pretty much draws a blank.

I'm working for a

service provider (Mothership) and we're trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers?

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Steven Schmidt

12:54 a.m.

One way, tag

Have a talk to Vocus, yr uplink, they may already be tagging your traffic. On 2013-10-08 07:39, Steven Schmidt wrote: traffic on each interface to identify interface it was sourced on. Then you can identify traffic.

i.e. Connection to APE, tagged domestic

etc. If you purchase International transit from GG then tag international on the connecting interface.

Slower way is to store

packet information use source IP to do a GEO lookup.

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I'm sure this

question has been asked a number of times before but a quick search through the list and a Google pretty much draws a blank.

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working for a service provider (Mothership) and we're trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers?

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Thanks

SHANE

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LW mothership.co.nz [2] LA PO Box 99814, Newmarket LM +64 21 623 903

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Liam Farr

1:54 a.m.

We interface tag using iptables / ulogd / uacctd (pmacct), then use a tag map to assign a simple numeric code for each provider and direction. (E.g APE in/out, vocus in/out etc). Works and scales well for CPU time / database lookups. Hit me up off list if you want some examples. We also built our own destination / source billing engine on top of this so we can bill per destination / source gb, per customer ip/net block. (Also pretty graphs). Cheers -- Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 +64-27-5222624 Sent from my iPhone

On 8/10/2013, at 7:16 am, Shane Hanson wrote:

Hello All

I’m sure this question has been asked a number of times before but a quick search through the list and a Google pretty much draws a blank.

I’m working for a service provider (Mothership) and we’re trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers?

Thanks

SHANE

lE shane(a)mothership.co.nz lW mothership.co.nz lA PO Box 99814, Newmarket lM +64 21 623 903

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Jonathan Brewer

2:08 a.m.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Shane Hanson wrote:

** I’m working for a service provider (Mothership) and we’re trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers?

If we're to believe media reports*, bandwidth is so cheap these days that small providers like Orcon (at 5% of market share) are purchasing upwards of 400kbps/subscriber on SCC. At what point does the overhead involved in differentiation and differential shaping/billing exceed the cost of just buying more capacity? -JB * http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/why-isnt-orcon-heeding-dotcoms-call-eliminate-d... locked, but the relevant details are: "Orcon have upgraded capacity. They had around 8Gbit/s of capacity, now they’ve upgraded that to 23Gbit/s," Mr Dotocm replied (Orcon later confirmed this Southern Cross Cable capacity upgrade. Asked about shaping or throttling, spokesman Quentin Reade told NBR, "We have a fair use policy – but to date, since we launched almost a year ago, we haven't kicked anyone off, or changed any service levels for people. People regularly use more than 1TB a month; some use much more.")

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Jamie Baddeley

2:19 a.m.

I don't think the logic is purely economic. By integrating the national routing table you get lower $/Mbps but also importantly lower latency and often less risk of packet loss. The big question of course is how do you value a 100ms advantage - which would bring this back to the question as you've framed it. jamie On 8 October 2013 09:08, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Shane Hanson wrote:

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** I’m working for a service provider (Mothership) and we’re trying to differentiate between national and international traffic. Any pointers?

If we're to believe media reports*, bandwidth is so cheap these days that small providers like Orcon (at 5% of market share) are purchasing upwards of 400kbps/subscriber on SCC.

At what point does the overhead involved in differentiation and differential shaping/billing exceed the cost of just buying more capacity?

-JB

* http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/why-isnt-orcon-heeding-dotcoms-call-eliminate-d... locked, but the relevant details are:

"Orcon have upgraded capacity. They had around 8Gbit/s of capacity, now they’ve upgraded that to 23Gbit/s," Mr Dotocm replied (Orcon later confirmed this Southern Cross Cable capacity upgrade. Asked about shaping or throttling, spokesman Quentin Reade told NBR, "We have a fair use policy – but to date, since we launched almost a year ago, we haven't kicked anyone off, or changed any service levels for people. People regularly use more than 1TB a month; some use much more.")

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