Yep - I think while geo-ip is still being used for these sorts of things, it will need to get faster at being right. Dean On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jamie Baddeley wrote:

It'll be interesting to see the effect of these transfers on geo-blocking, amongst other things.

jamie

On 18 June 2012 17:56, Dean Pemberton wrote:

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Hi All,

ARIN (the North American equivalent of APNIC) has just passed some new policy which has an impact for organisations in this region.

There were three policies passed: ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIR Transfers https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2011_1.html

ARIN-2012-1: Clarifying requirements for IPv4 transfers https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2012_1.html

ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2012_3.html

The impact for users in this regions is that APNIC members are now able to negotiate IPv4 Address Space transfers from organisations within the North American region.

We have seen organisations in the ARIN region selling IP Address space in the past (Nortel selling 666k addresses to Microsoft for 7.5 million) , infact ARIN now has specific policy surrounding how to deal with a transfer in a bankruptcy scenario.   The tricky part was that up until now they only allowed transfers to other members within the ARIN region.  This meant that APNIC members were not able to get access to these resources and pull them into their APNIC account (and update the details around who currently holds them).

This has now been changed so that as long as you can demonstrate to APNIC that you have a need for the addresses, and would have qualified for them under the old allocation scheme (ie when they still had addresses to give out), then you can transfer the numbers from the ARIN member into the APNIC region.

This is generally considered a good thing.  Having all users on an even footing is a step in the right direction.

Anyone wanting some more clarification then feel free to post (if you think it's relevant to everyone) or mail me directly.

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The only IP that anyone involved in TPPA cares about is Intellectual Property, and how to use it to squeeze more money out of us. It would be interesting to see if IP addresses could be transferred to a neutral jurisdiction - would only make the Internet routing table even more of a behemoth, but would be like region-free DVD players with regard to international content Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Andy Linton wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dean Pemberton wrote:

Yep - I think while geo-ip is still being used for these sorts of things, it will need to get faster at being right.

This also will allow entities in the APNIC region to transfer resources into the ARIN region. This could be your chance to make some money from those obsolescent IPv4 addresses before they become completely valueless. :-) Seriously though we should be asking ourselves about geo-ip. Isn't it a bad thing to offer service on the basis of geographic location - network neutrality, free trade etc? Perhaps this should be in the TPPA discussions. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog