Hi Don, If you don't "own" the IP's your options are likely limited or none. You could try and contact the GeoIP DB's like Maxmind but chances are they will not accede. If, on the other hand, you have your own IP's or are in a position to join APNIC and obtain these - it's quite simple and just a matter of time. Contact all the GeoIP's DB's and ask for the details to be updated. For Maxmind you can do this here: https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/ One interesting point to note though. My business registered office address is in Norsewood. So thus all the dubious advert banners are offering me stuff in Norsewood. Considering its only a dot on the map in reality it supposedly has a lot of stuff going on! Michael On 2020-11-23 10:31, Don Gould wrote:

sorry discuss with who?

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Whois shows it’s a Singapore hosting company.

Best to discuss with them.

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Mediaworks you're annoying my wife. She can't watch the block on demand.

D

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Hi Don, I don’t think anybody really knows what you’re talking about. You’ve quoted a prefix claiming it’s in Christchurch. Whois and routing I can see shows it’s allocated to GPLHost and is advertised by their ASN (45887). Everything points toward Singapore location. It looks to me like GPLHost is a company you’re associated with, and it looks like AS45887 originates some prefixes from behind DTS NZ, which is the only supporting evidence for your claim that this prefix is “announced” (you really mean originated, I think) in NZ. There’s no feasible way for someone like Mediaworks to know that this is an NZ prefix, all the documentation points to Singapore. I think if you want the geolocation to be accurate, you should make sure your APNIC data is correct. You should also contact MaxMind who operate the most popular IP geolocation service. I don’t know what evidence they will require, but it may be more than you’re currently offering with the APNIC data like it is.

On 23/11/2020, at 10:31, Don Gould wrote:

sorry discuss with who?

-- Don Gould 5 Cargill Place Richmond Christchurch, New Zealand Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 www.bowenvale.co.nz

-------- Original message -------- From: Simon Allard Date: 23/11/20 9:49 am (GMT+12:00) To: Don Gould , nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

Whois shows it’s a Singapore hosting company.

Best to discuss with them.

Simon Allard​ | Head of Architecture E: Simon.Allard(a)vocusgroup.co.nz mailto:Simon.Allard(a)vocusgroup.co.nz M: +64 20 1000 790 tel:+64%2020%201000%20790 W: vocusgroup.co.nz http://vocusgroup.co.nz/ A: Level 5, 34 Sale St, Auckland 1010 http://www.vocusgroup.co.nz/ From: Don Gould Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2020 9:50 pm To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

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Mediaworks you're annoying my wife. She can't watch the block on demand.

D

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A traceroute to an address in that /24 from Auckland ends thus: 8 17 ms 15 ms 16 ms v-cr1-alb.cr3.wlg.dtsanz.com [202.174.183.234] 9 20 ms 21 ms 23 ms 202.68.88.217 10 22 ms 21 ms 23 ms 103.68.122.xxx so it is indeed ~180 ms closer than Singapore. Just shows how dodgy geolocation by IP address is (and always will be). This is something the ISP has to sort. Regards Brian Carpenter On 23-Nov-20 10:48, Nathan Ward wrote:

Hi Don,

I don’t think anybody really knows what you’re talking about. You’ve quoted a prefix claiming it’s in Christchurch. Whois and routing I can see shows it’s allocated to GPLHost and is advertised by their ASN (45887). Everything points toward Singapore location.

It looks to me like GPLHost is a company you’re associated with, and it looks like AS45887 originates some prefixes from behind DTS NZ, which is the only supporting evidence for your claim that this prefix is “announced” (you really mean originated, I think) in NZ. There’s no feasible way for someone like Mediaworks to know that this is an NZ prefix, all the documentation points to Singapore.

I think if you want the geolocation to be accurate, you should make sure your APNIC data is correct. You should also contact MaxMind who operate the most popular IP geolocation service. I don’t know what evidence they will require, but it may be more than you’re currently offering with the APNIC data like it is.

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On 23/11/2020, at 10:31, Don Gould mailto:don(a)bowenvale.co.nz> wrote:

 sorry discuss with who?

-- Don Gould 5 Cargill Place Richmond Christchurch, New Zealand Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 www.bowenvale.co.nz http://www.bowenvale.co.nz

-------- Original message -------- From: Simon Allard mailto:Simon.Allard(a)vocusgroup.co.nz> Date: 23/11/20 9:49 am (GMT+12:00) To: Don Gould mailto:don(a)bowenvale.co.nz>, nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

Whois shows it’s a Singapore hosting company.

 

Best to discuss with them.

     

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IMO if you're operating an ISP/RSP in New Zealand and you want your customers to access NZ based GeoIP locked services then the onus is on you to ensure the relevant providers whitelist your prefixes. Maxmind and other GeoDBs are only as accurate as the data they're fed I've had to contact both Mediaworks & TVNZ in the past over this and found them pretty responsive it getting it sorted Cheers Jodi Quoting Pete Mundy :

It's not that there is no feasible way for an operator to determine it's an NZ prefix - it's certainly determinable via existing means and the big players already do it with these tests (such as latency) built directly into their web apps.

It's merely a side effect of Mediaworks using g a poor quality technology for their geolocation.

Just IMO, and I accept it's not even worth 2c :)

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On 23/11/2020, at 11:17 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: A traceroute to an address in that /24 from Auckland ends thus: <snip> so it is indeed ~180 ms closer than Singapore. Just shows how dodgy geolocation by IP address is (and always will be). This is something the ISP has to sort

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<snip> There’s no feasible way for someone like Mediaworks to know that this is an NZ prefix, all the documentation points to Singapore.

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When I recently contacted TVNZ re a similar issue their OD product manager responded quickly and we had it sorted within 24 hours. Similar story with MediaWorks. Quick google search produced: Submit a request – TVNZ Help (zendesk.com)https://helptvnz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?mobile_site=false Three on demand: three(a)mediaworks.co.nzmailto:three(a)mediaworks.co.nz (this may have changed since they’ve changed hands – it’s still listed on their website though) That’s how we contacted them. Was quick and easy with both companies (and I’ve found Maxmind to be the same). It’s probably more straightforward if you own the addresses – so assuming you don’t, maybe you should ask whoever does to resolve it. From: Don Gould Sent: Monday, 23 November 2020 2:55 PM To: Jodi Thomson ; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch Didn't see MW or TVNZ chime in, or anyone offer a tech contact. Barry - agreed D -- Don Gould 5 Cargill Place Richmond Christchurch, New Zealand Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 www.bowenvale.co.nzhttp://www.bowenvale.co.nz -------- Original message -------- From: Jodi Thomson mailto:jodi(a)webconnect.nz> Date: 23/11/20 12:10 pm (GMT+12:00) To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch IMO if you're operating an ISP/RSP in New Zealand and you want your customers to access NZ based GeoIP locked services then the onus is on you to ensure the relevant providers whitelist your prefixes. Maxmind and other GeoDBs are only as accurate as the data they're fed I've had to contact both Mediaworks & TVNZ in the past over this and found them pretty responsive it getting it sorted Cheers Jodi Quoting Pete Mundy mailto:pete(a)mac.geek.nz>: It's not that there is no feasible way for an operator to determine it's an NZ prefix - it's certainly determinable via existing means and the big players already do it with these tests (such as latency) built directly into their web apps. It's merely a side effect of Mediaworks using g a poor quality technology for their geolocation. Just IMO, and I accept it's not even worth 2c :) On 23/11/2020, at 11:17 AM, Brian E Carpenter mailto:brian.e.carpenter(a)gmail.com> wrote: A traceroute to an address in that /24 from Auckland ends thus: <snip> so it is indeed ~180 ms closer than Singapore. Just shows how dodgy geolocation by IP address is (and always will be). This is something the ISP has to sort On 23-Nov-20 10:48, Nathan Ward wrote: <snip> There’s no feasible way for someone like Mediaworks to know that this is an NZ prefix, all the documentation points to Singapore. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list -- nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nzTomailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nzTo unsubscribe send an email to nznog-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:nznog-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Jodi Thomson Systems & Networks Web Connect Ltd 13 Carlyle Street Napier, 4110 [cid:image001.png(a)01D6C1A8.EF97FC70] http://www.webconnect.nzhttp://www.webconnect.nz/

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 10:57, Don Gould wrote:

Thanks Warren, I emailed them. The contact link takes you to a page that said use social media. The ignored two social media platforms, so I posted here.

Netflix were easier to deal with, my guess is their guys are married.

Completely inappropriate. Also completely wrong. The head of Netflix Asia-Pac peering and interconnection is a woman.

Lots of the normal comments.

Damien had a look at adding me to the apnic interface so I can update the whois with better data. We got just about as many emails from apnic as nznog, though less helpful and I still don't have access.

Currently I'm pondering if a hardware solution might be better? I have an unused radio link across two suburbs to a friend's house on 2deg consumer fibre. I'm wondering if putter her TV on the link might just be less pain.

D

-- Don Gould 5 Cargill Place Richmond Christchurch, New Zealand Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 www.bowenvale.co.nz

-------- Original message -------- From: Warren Shepherd Date: 23/11/20 3:19 pm (GMT+12:00) To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

When I recently contacted TVNZ re a similar issue their OD product manager responded quickly and we had it sorted within 24 hours. Similar story with MediaWorks.

Quick google search produced:

Submit a request – TVNZ Help (zendesk.com) https://helptvnz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?mobile_site=false

Three on demand: three(a)mediaworks.co.nz (this may have changed since they’ve changed hands – it’s still listed on their website though)

That’s how we contacted them. Was quick and easy with both companies (and I’ve found Maxmind to be the same). It’s probably more straightforward if you own the addresses – so assuming you don’t, maybe you should ask whoever does to resolve it.

*From:* Don Gould *Sent:* Monday, 23 November 2020 2:55 PM *To:* Jodi Thomson ; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz *Subject:* [nznog] Re: 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

Didn't see MW or TVNZ chime in, or anyone offer a tech contact.

Barry - agreed

D

-- Don Gould 5 Cargill Place Richmond Christchurch, New Zealand Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699 www.bowenvale.co.nz

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Subject: [nznog] Re: 103.68.122.0/24 is announced in Christchurch

IMO if you're operating an ISP/RSP in New Zealand and you want your customers to access NZ based GeoIP locked services then the onus is on you to ensure the relevant providers whitelist your prefixes. Maxmind and other GeoDBs are only as accurate as the data they're fed

I've had to contact both Mediaworks & TVNZ in the past over this and found them pretty responsive it getting it sorted

Cheers Jodi

Quoting Pete Mundy :

It's not that there is no feasible way for an operator to determine it's an NZ prefix - it's certainly determinable via existing means and the big players already do it with these tests (such as latency) built directly into their web apps.

It's merely a side effect of Mediaworks using g a poor quality technology for their geolocation.

Just IMO, and I accept it's not even worth 2c :)

On 23/11/2020, at 11:17 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: A traceroute to an address in that /24 from Auckland ends thus: <snip> so it is indeed ~180 ms closer than Singapore. Just shows how dodgy geolocation by IP address is (and always will be). This is something the ISP has to sort

On 23-Nov-20 10:48, Nathan Ward wrote:

<snip> There’s no feasible way for someone like Mediaworks to know that this is an NZ prefix, all the documentation points to Singapore.

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