Vocus New Zealand is engaged in a series of changes to our BGP advertisements. (And ROA's, of course.) The address ranges we advertise are changing only slightly. But we have ceased to originate routes as AS9503, the autonomous system of the former FX Networks. * Donald Neal Donald Neal | Network Architect D: +64 9 929 2958E: Donald.Neal(a)vocusgroup.co.nz M: +64 27 808 1023W: vocusgroup.co.nz A: Level 5, 34 Sale St, Auckland 1010
Wow, that's an end of an era.
AS9503 was the AS that was Comnet. Comnet is what was left of the DSIRNet
after the Crown Research Institutes act happened in 1992. I don't know when
AS9503 was first announced some it's got to be sometime before 1992. Which
makes for a pretty stink 30 something birthday party for AS9503! :-)
jabley might know more because I had to ask him nicely to transfer maint
records when FX took over what was left of ComNet in the early 2000's.
See ya AS9503, it was fun.
jamie
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:28, Donald Neal
Vocus New Zealand is engaged in a series of changes to our BGP advertisements. (And ROA’s, of course.)
The address ranges we advertise are changing only slightly. But we have ceased to originate routes as AS9503, the autonomous system of the former FX Networks.
- Donald Neal
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M: *+64 27 808 1023* <+64%2027%20808%201023> W: *vocusgroup.co.nz* http://vocusgroup.co.nz A: Level 5, 34 Sale St, Auckland 1010 http://www.vocusgroup.co.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list -- nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To unsubscribe send an email to nznog-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Can I sell it as an NFT now?
/s
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:11 AM Jamie Baddeley
Wow, that's an end of an era.
AS9503 was the AS that was Comnet. Comnet is what was left of the DSIRNet after the Crown Research Institutes act happened in 1992. I don't know when AS9503 was first announced some it's got to be sometime before 1992. Which makes for a pretty stink 30 something birthday party for AS9503! :-)
jabley might know more because I had to ask him nicely to transfer maint records when FX took over what was left of ComNet in the early 2000's.
See ya AS9503, it was fun.
jamie
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:28, Donald Neal
wrote: Vocus New Zealand is engaged in a series of changes to our BGP advertisements. (And ROA’s, of course.)
The address ranges we advertise are changing only slightly. But we have ceased to originate routes as AS9503, the autonomous system of the former FX Networks.
- Donald Neal
Donald Neal | Network Architect D: *+64 9 929 2958* <+64%209%20929%202958> E: *Donald.Neal(a)vocusgroup.co.nz*
M: *+64 27 808 1023* <+64%2027%20808%201023> W: *vocusgroup.co.nz* http://vocusgroup.co.nz A: Level 5, 34 Sale St, Auckland 1010 http://www.vocusgroup.co.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list -- nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To unsubscribe send an email to nznog-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list -- nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To unsubscribe send an email to nznog-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
AS9503 was assigned by APNIC on the 23rd March 1999 - so whatever the pedigree of this AS it does not predate 1999. Older NZ AS’s are still in the registry. I can see as AS4648, registered in October 1995, which is Spark, formerly NZ Telecom I guess that the University of Waikato’s AS681 which I believe is a relic of the PACNET project of 1989 is the earliest NZ AS, but somehow the APNIC registration date was rewritten to the date the record was passed to APNIC from ARIN, being in 2002. The set of NZ AS numbers which have the same transition date include: apnic|NZ|asn|681|1|20020801|assigned|A91D9208|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2537|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2569|2|20020801|assigned|A91CCCF4|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2756|1|20020801|assigned|A91BD5FB|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2925|2|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3711|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3747|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3773|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3787|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3929|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|4049|1|20020801|assigned|A9142127|e-stats so much for today’s trivia :-) Geoff
On 11 Feb 2022, at 9:33 am, Drew Broadley
wrote: Can I sell it as an NFT now?
/s
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:11 AM Jamie Baddeley
wrote: Wow, that's an end of an era. AS9503 was the AS that was Comnet. Comnet is what was left of the DSIRNet after the Crown Research Institutes act happened in 1992. I don't know when AS9503 was first announced some it's got to be sometime before 1992. Which makes for a pretty stink 30 something birthday party for AS9503! :-)
jabley might know more because I had to ask him nicely to transfer maint records when FX took over what was left of ComNet in the early 2000's.
See ya AS9503, it was fun.
jamie
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:28, Donald Neal
wrote: Vocus New Zealand is engaged in a series of changes to our BGP advertisements. (And ROA’s, of course.) The address ranges we advertise are changing only slightly. But we have ceased to originate routes as AS9503, the autonomous system of the former FX Networks.
• Donald Neal
Donald Neal | Network Architect D: +64 9 929 2958 E: Donald.Neal(a)vocusgroup.co.nz M: +64 27 808 1023 W: vocusgroup.co.nz A: Level 5, 34 Sale St, Auckland 1010
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A 2-byte ASN has a value of around US$2,000. Being a 4-digit one it may be worth a lot more. https://auctions.ipv4.global Michael Net Trust Ltd Internet Servers and Network Systems Administration p: (06) 374 0880 | (09) 839 1000 m: 021 963 878 e: michael(a)nettrust.nz w: nettrust.nz
On 11/02/22 12:44, Geoff Huston wrote:
AS9503 was assigned by APNIC on the 23rd March 1999 - so whatever the pedigree of this AS it does not predate 1999.
That 1999 date predates the incorporation of FX Networks Ltd, in August 2003, by a few years: https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1371006... and I'm fairly sure that FX Networks didn't buy Comnet until a while after there was a FX Networks company (there was some earlier development on VoIP systems prior to the company formation too). My guess from the history (some of which Jamie Baddeley mentioned up thread) is that possibly Comnet had a single upstream in the early years, and didn't need its own ASN until the late 1990s. Still, definitely a bit sad to see AS9503 disappear from the Internet, even if the organisation most associated with it (FX Networks Ltd) was long since merged into Vocus, et al. Ewen
Hi Geoff, You're thinking PACCOM (not PACNET), and yes, I believe ASN 681 was originally registered as part of that, circa 1989 - it may have been in a subsequent change. The oldest reference to it I can find is a router change log entry from 27 June 1990. ASN 681 actually disappeared completely from the register in one of the many NIC re-shuffles of the early-mid-90s. I noticed and quietly re-registered it. It still had my name on it as co-ordinator until at least June 2000 (even though I was long gone from VUW by then). I always regarded it a Kawaihiko's (and that's the name I re-registered it as), but I can't speak to its history prior to my starting at VUW in January 1992. If you're wondering how any of that was even possible, well, the Internet ran differently back then... -- don On 11/02/22 12:44, Geoff Huston wrote:
AS9503 was assigned by APNIC on the 23rd March 1999 - so whatever the pedigree of this AS it does not predate 1999.
Older NZ AS’s are still in the registry. I can see as AS4648, registered in October 1995, which is Spark, formerly NZ Telecom
I guess that the University of Waikato’s AS681 which I believe is a relic of the PACNET project of 1989 is the earliest NZ AS, but somehow the APNIC registration date was rewritten to the date the record was passed to APNIC from ARIN, being in 2002.
The set of NZ AS numbers which have the same transition date include:
apnic|NZ|asn|681|1|20020801|assigned|A91D9208|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2537|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2569|2|20020801|assigned|A91CCCF4|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2756|1|20020801|assigned|A91BD5FB|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2925|2|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3711|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3747|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3773|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3787|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3929|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|4049|1|20020801|assigned|A9142127|e-stats
so much for today’s trivia :-)
Geoff
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Formally, Kawaihiko was set up in 1990 and the international connection was at Waikato. As for the ASN, I reckon you'd have to ask John Houlker. I put together the facts I could gather in a small contribution to "An Asia Internet History First Decade(1980-1990)", which is unfortunately behind a paywall. But my main source was this article: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0001.127?view=text;rgn=main Regards Brian Carpenter On 11-Feb-22 14:08, Don Stokes wrote:
Hi Geoff,
You're thinking PACCOM (not PACNET), and yes, I believe ASN 681 was originally registered as part of that, circa 1989 - it may have been in a subsequent change. The oldest reference to it I can find is a router change log entry from 27 June 1990.
ASN 681 actually disappeared completely from the register in one of the many NIC re-shuffles of the early-mid-90s. I noticed and quietly re-registered it. It still had my name on it as co-ordinator until at least June 2000 (even though I was long gone from VUW by then). I always regarded it a Kawaihiko's (and that's the name I re-registered it as), but I can't speak to its history prior to my starting at VUW in January 1992.
If you're wondering how any of that was even possible, well, the Internet ran differently back then...
-- don
On 11/02/22 12:44, Geoff Huston wrote:
AS9503 was assigned by APNIC on the 23rd March 1999 - so whatever the pedigree of this AS it does not predate 1999.
Older NZ AS’s are still in the registry. I can see as AS4648, registered in October 1995, which is Spark, formerly NZ Telecom
I guess that the University of Waikato’s AS681 which I believe is a relic of the PACNET project of 1989 is the earliest NZ AS, but somehow the APNIC registration date was rewritten to the date the record was passed to APNIC from ARIN, being in 2002.
The set of NZ AS numbers which have the same transition date include:
apnic|NZ|asn|681|1|20020801|assigned|A91D9208|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2537|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2569|2|20020801|assigned|A91CCCF4|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2756|1|20020801|assigned|A91BD5FB|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|2925|2|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3711|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3747|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3773|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3787|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|3929|1|20020801|assigned|A91E66F2|e-stats apnic|NZ|asn|4049|1|20020801|assigned|A9142127|e-stats
so much for today’s trivia :-)
Geoff
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ASN 681 was VUW’s as I recall, not Waikato’s. We later donated it to Kawaihiko.
I’m assuming that Waikato would have had a lower one. Probably.
I do recall that when I applied for our IP addresses, I looked at the handful of machines we had, and said, well, we’ll probably need more than 256, eventually… so asked for and got 130.195.0.0/16 (although it was a Class B back then).
Likewise, when we first took delivery of the Cisco AGS and MGS routers, and I saw that igrp wanted something called an ASN, I just asked for and got 681.
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 11:34, Drew Broadley
Can I sell it as an NFT now?
https://opensea.io/assets/0x495f947276749ce646f68ac8c248420045cb7b5e/9856837...
/s
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Nex' minute our two cents sells for hundred of dollars of ETH. Then another small fortune to mint/transfer it. On 2022-02-14 18:12, Hamish MacEwan wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 11:34, Drew Broadley
wrote: Can I sell it as an NFT now?
https://opensea.io/assets/0x495f947276749ce646f68ac8c248420045cb7b5e/9856837...
/s
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Brian E Carpenter
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Don Stokes
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Donald Neal
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Drew Broadley
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Hamish MacEwan
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Jamie Baddeley
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