LONG: Industry Consultation on APEC study of "Compatible and Sus tainable International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services"
I am distributing this in the first instance to members of ISOCNZ Council
and to the NZNOG group. Apologies to those who get it twice. I also
apologise to those who cannot read the Word format document. Anyone stuck,
please email me and I will make some other arrangement; fax if necessary.
***If you want to continue to receive relevant material PLEASE EMAIL ME
DIRECTLY. If you do not, take no further action, I will not trouble you
again.***** Ideally, this process should have its own email list and, if
there is interest, I will ensure one is established.
As I explained some time ago to at least some of you; and I touched on
briefly in my slot at the 98 F2F, the APEC Telecommunications Working Group
(TEL) has moved quite rapidly to look at the issue of international charging
for Internet services. Attached is a cover letter addressed to members of
TEL and the current Terms of Reference for the study, both in Word 7 format
(please note, before anyone bytes my head of, this is how I received it).
I am asking ISOCNZ to provide a point of contact for consultation between
the NZ Government representatives on TEL and the "industry" (whatever that
means in this context). Please note that, as far as I am aware, anyone may
become a member of TEL and attend its meetings so if folk have a problem
with this consultation process they can bypass it.
I consider a much greater danger to be that interested parties will not hear
of the study through these two contact groups so I would appreciate comments
on who should receive this information. Please pass it on to colleagues or
friends. I am reluctant to blast it out over isocnz-l simply to avoid
unnecessary pollution of the email waves.
Thanks for your help
Frank March
Specialist Advisor
IT Policy Group, Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand
Telephone: +64 4 474 2908; Fax: +64 4 473 7010
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Frank March wrote:
I am distributing this in the first instance to members of ISOCNZ Council and to the NZNOG group. Apologies to those who get it twice. I also apologise to those who cannot read the Word format document. Anyone stuck, please email me and I will make some other arrangement; fax if necessary.
Frank, I raised this issue at the AGM last month and I refered to the Society's Articles of Associaton. Section 8 at http://www.isocnz.org.nz/articles.htm says: 8 COMMUNICATION WITH MEMBERS Every communication with a Member may be by electronic message in clear ASCII text, directed to the email address of the Member as recorded in the records of the Society, or where the Member has no such address by such other means as may be defined by the Bye-laws of the Society. Such messages will be acceptable for the conduct of the business of the Society unless the Chairperson shall advise that any specific business or meeting shall be conducted at a meeting at which Members are required to be physically present. Given the attention being given to the activities of Microsoft in the US Courts, it seems to me that even indirect support should not be given to the activities of an organisation which attempts to subvert the open nature of the Internet that many of us have striven for over the years. I may be cutting my nose off to spite my face here but until ISOCNZ changes its rules, then I will raise this issue every time I see this happen on an ISOCNZ list. NZNOG of course has no such rules but I'd hope that they'd take a similar stance on open communication. andy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sun, Dec 06, 1998 at 08:51:11AM +0000, Andy Linton wrote:
Given the attention being given to the activities of Microsoft in the US Courts, it seems to me that even indirect support should not be given to the activities of an organisation which attempts to subvert the open nature of the Internet that many of us have striven for over the years.
This aside, to me it is a form of discrimination. I find it as rude as people in my presence talking in a language I do not understand. It would be exactly the same as producing the minutes in French and only making an English copy available to those people with access to fax machines. You had may as well encrypted it and distributed keys to a select few people. Frankly, to have this sort of activity occurring in the society New Zealand is supposed trust to provide direction for an open Internet infrastructure, bothers me Open communication is a two way street. There is no use making information available to the masses if it is in a format that they do not all have access to.
NZNOG of course has no such rules but I'd hope that they'd take a similar stance on open communication.
I don't think we have anything to worry about. I know more than a few people on the NZNOG list who would have no idea where their copy of Office '98 was =) Dean -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton Ph: +61-3-9656-7000 Regional Technical Specialist Asia-Pacific Fx: +61-3-9656-7003 Ascend Communications, Inc Mb: +61-419-117-321 Lvl 38, ANZ Tower, 55 Collins St Melbourne,Australia mailto:deanp(a)ascend.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Dean Pemberton wrote: [snip]
I don't think we have anything to worry about. I know more than a few people on the NZNOG list who would have no idea where their copy of Office '98 was =)
er, Office what? ;) it's interesting that the main document ended up being RTF, but the covernote MSWord I have been able to convert both documents to html, using Star Office 5.0, and can mail these to individuals or to the list if requested. The body of the main document converted OK, but variations in table handling in different browsers may cause problems with the 2 tables and the project plan at the bottom regards -- Brendan Black - Network Engineer, Telecom Internet Services email: ratfink(a)xtra.co.nz (personal) phone: +649 3555238 mob: +6425 2752667 "Waving away a cloud of smoke, I look up, and am blinded by a bright, white light. It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God. In a booming voice, He says: "THIS IS A SIGN. USE LINUX, THE FREE UNIX SYSTEM FOR THE 386." -- Matt Welsh --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 12:23:06PM +1300, Brendan Black wrote:
it's interesting that the main document ended up being RTF, but the covernote MSWord
interesting is one word for it ;)
I have been able to convert both documents to html, using Star Office 5.0, and can mail these to individuals or to the list if requested. The body of the main document converted OK, but variations in table handling in different browsers may cause problems with the 2 tables and the project plan at the bottom
ftp://ftp.gu.net/pub/unix/viewers/word2x-0.003.tar.gz word2x will re-format the nasty word document into beautiful LaTeX :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, Dec 07, 1998 at 12:23:06PM +1300, Brendan Black wrote:
Dean Pemberton wrote: [snip]
I don't think we have anything to worry about. I know more than a few people on the NZNOG list who would have no idea where their copy of Office '98 was =)
er, Office what? ;)
it's interesting that the main document ended up being RTF, but the covernote MSWord I have been able to convert both documents to html, using Star Office 5.0, and can mail these to individuals or to the list if requested. The body of the main document converted OK, but variations in table handling in different browsers may cause problems with the 2 tables and the project plan at the bottom
I managed to get a basic idea of what was going on with my `Word and Excel to ASCII converter' ( strings filename | less for those interested parties =) ) But it really looses something in the translation =) Dean -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton Ph: +61-3-9656-7000 Regional Technical Specialist Asia-Pacific Fx: +61-3-9656-7003 Ascend Communications, Inc Mb: +61-419-117-321 Lvl 38, ANZ Tower, 55 Collins St Melbourne,Australia mailto:deanp(a)ascend.com.au -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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