http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/E85DA6556D0BDE76CC256DEF001D4F86 " "The 128Kbit/s stream plays (just) but gets very blocky and stops at times. The 384 Kbit/s connection.. just doesn't go or just buffers and buffers," wrote one anguished fan. " I don't know Paul, I saw some pretty anguished young ladies on the side of the red carpet yesterday afternoon.. Craig was probably better described as 'very slightly perturbed' than 'anguished'. :-P Great day though, happy I could spend it out in the sun rather than watching from my desk. :) -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore To: 'Dan Clark' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: 1/12/2003 5:14 p.m. Subject: RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy The 128K stream plays (just) but gets very blocky and stops at times. The 384K Connection.. just doesn't go or just buffers and buffers.. Thanks Craig
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:04 PM To: Simon Lyall; nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
mine's awesome, streaming down nicely (courtney) here in Dunedin on a 2MB Clear Domestic Frame.
Cheers,
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Noticed this morning that Clear.net's website is unavailable, and the Traceroute shows routing via Sydney. Is this an indication that TC are taking the inactive in un-pairing with other ISP's as well? Can anyone else along my path or otherwise get their website at the moment? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- traceroute to www.clear.net.nz (203.97.33.220), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 mint.tasman.net (202.49.92.17) 2.705 ms 1.955 ms 1.304 ms 2 atm0-1-0-195.int-vrf.orcon.net.nz (210.55.12.185) 132.652 ms 112.543 ms 121.769 ms 3 a4-0-0-20.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.157) 139.639 ms 139.439ms 134.863 ms 4 ge-0-3-0-6.akbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.246.18) 104.491 ms 79.589 ms 91.741 ms 5 a3-0-3.sybr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.145) 124.96 ms 121.457 ms157.635 ms 6 * * f4-0-0-10.sybr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.138) 64.951 ms 7 202.50.116.115 (202.50.116.115) 133.214 ms 114.681 ms * 8 pos3-0-3.bdr3.hay.connect.com.au (210.8.219.174) 106.174 ms 116.643 ms 127.863 ms 9 POS2-0.ken22.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.4.249) 216.187 ms 159.227 ms 124.376 ms 10 GigabitEthernet10-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.20.1) 135.205 ms 102.669 ms 178.677 ms 11 10GigabitEthernet12-0.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.42) 103.67 ms 140.031 ms 165.908 ms 12 10GigabitEthernet3-0.pad-core5.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.90) 114.742 ms 86.638 ms 66.751 ms 13 134.159.125.73 (134.159.125.73) 157.004 ms 110.484 ms 116.331 ms 14 GigabitEthernet0-2.syd-core02.net.reach.com (202.84.219.217) 98.316 ms 71.763 ms 96.06 ms 15 202.84.219.106 (202.84.219.106) 100.969 ms 250.936 ms 230.199 ms 16 i-4-0-0.akl-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.219.81) 171.665 ms 93.662 ms 78.549 ms 17 203.98.4.5 (203.98.4.5) 184.556 ms 252.865 ms 200.519 ms 18 203.98.50.8 (203.98.50.8) 65.771 ms 79.844 ms 77.33 ms 19 v927.cs2.akl.telstraclear.net (218.101.61.2) 65.993 ms 93.57 ms 50.43 ms 20 front1-clix.clear.net.nz (203.167.243.212) 62.844 ms 55.456 ms 63.979 ms ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Tim Price Tasman Solutions mailto:timprice(a)tasman.net _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Tim Price wrote:
Noticed this morning that Clear.net's website is unavailable, and the Traceroute shows routing via Sydney. Is this an indication that TC are taking the inactive in un-pairing with other ISP's as well?
It would probably be better to lodge this as a fault with your ISP, and have it chased up through the normal channels rather than going straight to NZNOG. (Routes for 4768/7714 etc are still being advertised to domestic neighbors btw) --David
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 23:16, David Robb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Tim Price wrote:
Noticed this morning that Clear.net's website is unavailable, and the Traceroute shows routing via Sydney. Is this an indication that TC are taking the inactive in un-pairing with other ISP's as well?
It would probably be better to lodge this as a fault with your ISP, and have it chased up through the normal channels rather than going straight to NZNOG.
(Routes for 4768/7714 etc are still being advertised to domestic neighbors btw)
Tim, You can check routes advertised by TelstraClear and others to the APE and WIX route servers using the APE and WIX looking glasses: http://www.wix.net.nz/cgi-bin/mrlg-ape.cgi http://www.wix.net.nz/cgi-bin/mrlg-wix.cgi and among other things you can see that TelstraClear's routes are being advertised to Orcon, the second hop on your traceroute. Use the 'show ip bgp' option with an argument of 'neighbour 192.203.154.66 advertised' where 192.203.154.66 -> orcon1.ape.net.nz -> 192.203.154.66 So asking Orcon (and their upstream Telecom) what's going on might be a good idea. Note that Global Gateway don't peer with either set of servers and Xtra only announce routes in Wellington - the reason why access to the Citylink webcams and streaming media servers was sub optimal on Monday. This is a good illustration of what peering needs to be about. As well as having things in place for people to advertise their routes, those participating in peering need to listen to the adverts as well. That's true whether it's done via something like the route servers or via bilateral peering setups. So perhaps now's a good time for folk to have a look at what they listen to as well as what they advertise. Of course if you end up with a choice of routes from different sources then some policy decisions need to be made about which one to chose but hopefully that happens for engineering reasons. (:-)
Wouldn't it be nice to have mrtg graphs of both WIX and APE like whats been
done with LINX
http://www.linx.net/tools/stats/index.thtml
Barry
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From: "Andy Linton"
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 23:16, David Robb wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Tim Price wrote:
Noticed this morning that Clear.net's website is unavailable, and the Traceroute shows routing via Sydney. Is this an indication that TC are taking the inactive in un-pairing with other ISP's as well?
It would probably be better to lodge this as a fault with your ISP, and have it chased up through the normal channels rather than going straight to NZNOG.
(Routes for 4768/7714 etc are still being advertised to domestic neighbors btw)
Tim,
You can check routes advertised by TelstraClear and others to the APE and WIX route servers using the APE and WIX looking glasses:
http://www.wix.net.nz/cgi-bin/mrlg-ape.cgi http://www.wix.net.nz/cgi-bin/mrlg-wix.cgi
and among other things you can see that TelstraClear's routes are being advertised to Orcon, the second hop on your traceroute.
Use the 'show ip bgp' option with an argument of 'neighbour 192.203.154.66 advertised' where 192.203.154.66 -> orcon1.ape.net.nz -> 192.203.154.66
So asking Orcon (and their upstream Telecom) what's going on might be a good idea.
Note that Global Gateway don't peer with either set of servers and Xtra only announce routes in Wellington - the reason why access to the Citylink webcams and streaming media servers was sub optimal on Monday.
This is a good illustration of what peering needs to be about. As well as having things in place for people to advertise their routes, those participating in peering need to listen to the adverts as well. That's true whether it's done via something like the route servers or via bilateral peering setups.
So perhaps now's a good time for folk to have a look at what they listen to as well as what they advertise.
Of course if you end up with a choice of routes from different sources then some policy decisions need to be made about which one to chose but hopefully that happens for engineering reasons. (:-)
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On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 05:20, Barry Murphy wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice to have mrtg graphs of both WIX and APE like whats been done with LINX http://www.linx.net/tools/stats/index.thtml
It would indeed but life isn't always as straightforward as we'd like! I'd conjecture that the LINX total volume measures are calculated by summing all the traffic injected into the Exchange (both byte and packet stats). (Or you could measure all the outbound stats instead). The WIX peering environment runs on top of Citylink's Ethernet network which has over 60 switches distributed across the city. Some customers peer with the WIX route servers, some don't. For those that peer some proportion of their traffic in/out of their switch port is being routed based on information gleaned from the route servers and some is destined for their ISP based on a static route in many (most?) cases. So it's far from obvious how we'd measure the "WIX traffic" and aggregate it up for display. The APE is closer to the LINX model but there's still some proportion of the traffic that isn't peering related on the switches we manage and there's peering traffic that's part of the APE environment that doesn't traverse those switches so I'd be reluctant to publish statistics that weren't measuring what they claim to measure! That's not to say we aren't thinking of ways to catalogue and measure the benefits of having the exchanges. Perhaps measures of the round trip times between various points on the network would be of more interest. A job for the lads at Waikato's WAND group funded by InternetNZ?
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