October 2001 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Allister Clarke 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

What about people that only know a few commands from the IOS? ;-) Or is this only for people with the mininum of a CCNA? :-) I will be a CCNA very soon ... Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Stephen(a)nzpost.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:50 p.m. To: 'Roger De Salis' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such > things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post > of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement > Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Stephen Andrew 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Drinks & meetings
by Simon Lyall 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on their web site. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Extreme Electrical Failure...
by Dylan Reeve 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

...is what happened to ihug's Starnet/Satnet/Ultra gear the last time (I remember) lightning hitting the sky tower. There were also photos of the strike. Last night I saw 6 lightning strikes on the tower (including a REALLY big one) over about 30 minutes, but I haven't heard of anything being fried. And there don't seem to be any photos. Anyone know of any damage this time or have any photographic evidence of the strikes? (This is my not-quite-so-off-topic way of saying "anyone seen any photos or heard of anything melting?") -- Dylan Reeve - dylan(a)wibble.net It's just not cricket. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Greg Clare 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Is it really necessary to post a web link, as well as pasting the entire text contained on the linked page into the message? Please just post the link in future. Regards Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2001 10:57 am > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS > > http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm > Rest of original message <snipped> for sanity! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Donald Neal 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

>>> "Andy Gardner" <andy(a)navigator.co.nz> 10/31/01 04:38 >>> >Oh, and if the list manager could make the first line of the nznog sig to >be two hyphens follwed by a space, you might find most email clients will >not include the sig in quotes anymore. Fair enough. - Donald Neal List Administrator - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Mark Derricutt 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Can't say I did, was there some 'net' related scandel mentioned? --On Wednesday, 31 October 2001 8:39 a.m. +1300 Lindsay Druett <lindsayd(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > He might go even further back (try the 10-15 years or so), some of us have > very long memories. > BTW. Did anyone watch Scandals on TV2 last night ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Peter Mott 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

At 31/10/2001 11:56, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no > fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth > censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned > SafeSurf, the online safety organization. AB hasn't found a new job has he? :-) - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm SafeSurf Press Release 1304 Newbury Road, Unit E, Newbury Park, CA 91320 E-mail: safesurf(a)safesurf.com * Web Site: http://www.safesurf.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 25, 2001 Contact : Ray Soular Press Phone : (818) 613-1415 SafeSurf Warns of Stealth Censorship Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned SafeSurf, the online safety organization. This new type of censorship, promoted by a California corporation called Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC (MAPS), silences every Web site whose address is located on a server that also happens to host one or two unrelated email marketing sites. However, since the browser message displayed says that the Web sites are non-existent, online surfers have no idea they are being denied access to many parts of the Internet. "This is stealth censorship*", remarked SafeSurf Chairman Ray Soular as he described how Web site owners have no rights under this system. "Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS) publicizes its Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) as being only of certified email abusers (spammers). It provides this list to Internet Service Providers (ISP) who rely on its accuracy when shutting out these spammers. In reality, MAPS' practice of listing entire groups of IP numbers, instead of the specific addresses of the spammers, is causing ISPs to shut off access to sites that have done no wrong other than they have similar IP numbers to the spammers. Its like shutting off phone service to thousands of people simply because they have the same prefix as an obscene caller," explained Soular. "To make matters worse, MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated," Soular reasoned. Teleglobe, a global Internet provider who subscribes to the MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL), was blocking SafeSurf in many countries, simply because SafeSurf's Web site was on a public server owned by an hosting company once accused of providing services to email marketers. (News Flash Oct 29, 2001: MAPS removed SafeSurf from its Blackhole list and Teleglobe removed blocking.) "Under their system, an unsuspecting Web site can become a RBL hostage at any time, for any reason, and without appeal. Unless the owner of the server meets MAPS demands, the innocent hostage site will be left to rot in the 'Blackhole'," pointed out Soular. "This is the worst manifestation of censorship imaginable because it is applied in a way which fools Web surfers into thinking they still have their freedom", said Soular. ### _______________________________________________________________ Below is the text of SafeSurf's Open Letter to the Internet Community concerning MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) that targets general IP groups instead of specific IP addresses. SafeSurf was recently alerted that we were marked for blocking, for no fault of our own, by Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). SafeSurf has never sent out a single piece of junk email in the life of our company. Parents and Webmasters depend upon communication from SafeSurf to enable them to protect children on the Internet. As a result, by blocking SafeSurf, MAPS is endangering millions of children across the globe. MAPS' RBL blocking is censorship in its worst manifestation. It is a extremist system that seeks to censor people simply because they happen to be with the same ISP that has a particular individual that MAPS does not like. Their tactics would be similar to someone using a nuclear weapon to wipe out a cockroach. Although they may contact the ISP, MAPS makes no effort, whatsoever, to warn the people actually being censored. The innocent Web Sites have to depend on others to discover that their right to free speech has been desecrated. MAPS actions demonstrate what SafeSurf has long suspected; true censorship arises for the purpose of advancing the agenda of a particular group of individuals. Censorship is a broad brush that drips paint on the pure, as well as the tainted. MAPS may claim that their actions are in the interest of good, but in reality they would easily trade in the good of children to achieve their goal. They have more than proved this point by holding the SafeSurf Web Site hostage until they force the acquiescence of others. MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Therefore, they could negligently block sites that contain important life saving medical information, sites that protect children, and sites that output emergency info during tornado watches, fire and flood alerts. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated. We hate spam as much as anyone else. SafeSurf receives hundreds of spam emails every day. However, we cherish our civil liberties too much to ever trade them to the careless people who are running MAPS. We have tried to reason with MAPS, but they refuse to offer affected Web sites a case-by-case appeal process. They seem to not care about fairness. They are blinded by the smell of spammer's blood and do not seem to care how many innocent Web sites they trounce in the process. Then, they rationalize and try to put the blame for their wanton actions on everyone else. This issue is completely different from the debate over porn filtering, because in that debate, at least it was agreed that the sites we were discussing were responsible for their acts. In this case, MAPS employs an underhanded tactic of targeting the innocent in order to persuade the guilty. We must insist that MAPS operate in a responsible manner. A just cause is no excuse for unjust actions. By accepting MAPS, we are, in effect, agreeing to full censorship of anyone, for any reason. This is beyond the worst-case scenarios we could've imagined coming from governments. MAPS may be on a crusade to rid the Internet of spam, but this should not give them the authority to deny freedoms to the blameless. It should not give them the power to shroud someone's brilliance simply because it happens to be on a MAPS targeted ISP. It should not give them the right to make a mockery of the pillars upon which America was built. I feel sorry for all the subscribers to Teleglobe, which trusts MAPS' RBL list. They have traded access to the truth in exchange for a cleaner mailbox. The really sad part is they don't even know it. We must raise our voices to warn the online world of stealth censorship. For in the end, we will either loudly hold on to our liberty or it will become clear that we gave up our rights by our silence. Sincerely, Ray Soular, Chairman SafeSurf * The term, stealth blocking, was first used by Bennett Haselton in "The Coalition Statement Against Stealth Blocking" to be found at http://www.peacefire.org/. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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