August 2002 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by David Farrar 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

NOTE: This may be getting off topic for nznog - happy to leave nznog off any future replies if requested and keep this debate on INZ lists only. Bart wrote: > At 20:11 26/08/02 GMT, David Farrar wrote: > >Yep that would be the way to do it. I suspect in reality though this would > >effectively kill co.nz etc as the vast majority of registrants would want > to go > >from say telecom.co.nz to telecom.nz. > > Considering how small New Zealand is, it would have made sense to stick to > ..nz; > In the Netherlands they work happely with .nl and that country has a > population 15 million. > > If you would open it up now a lot of new income would be generated > ofcourse, as all major domain holders would have to use it, but also could > not afford to close down the .co.nz version either :) Let the money flow! > Actually, I would like to see it; First one in use would be bart.nz Opening up the 2LD would indeed be very profitable for INZ and Registrars as registrations would probably come close to doubling (hopefully INZ would lower the registry fee if this was the case). A lot of that money could be tied up in lawsuits if for example the owner of coke.co.nz missed out by a millisecond (assume first in first served with a known start date/time) at registering coke.nz they would get very upset with someone. You can mitigate this by allowing preferential rights to holders of name.co.nz, name.org.nz to register name.nz but I believe there are seveal thousand clashes where different registrants have different 2LD variations of a 3LD name. Example is national.org.nz is National Party and national.co.nz is the BNZ so no easy way to decide who gets first dibs to national.nz. None of these issues are unsolvable but one has to tread damn carefully to avoid death by 100 lawsuits. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Juha Saarinen 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Ben Martel wrote: > The most obvious reason was to follow the .uk model. Remember the Queen and > all that! Yes, yes, I *know* that already. But, cf. "co.uk" with "co.nz". Isn't the latter just a tiny bit anarcho-syndicalist and anti-capitalist? I'm reminded of Jello Biafra's bid for the San Francisco mayoralty -- one of his policies were to make businessmen wear clown suits during working hours. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Zanetti David 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Apologies in advance for poor formatting and/or other Outlook-isms. From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] > In message <a0511173fb98fff084e9f(a)[10.0.1.3]>, Andy Gardner writes: > >How about this: > > > >Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone > >other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers? > > Each time someone proposes a SLD, someone (often several people) raise > the idea of a "free for all" in the SLD space. > > What no one has explained to me is: what is so much better > about nationalbank.nz than national.bank.nz or for that matter > matrix-the-movie.com than matrix.movie (to pick an example I find > particularly grating). [clip a fresh dose of sanity] Hear hear! Finally a sane point of view. > I should, however, note that (a) I think it should be a lot easier to > get more SLDs (I do think they should be moderated, but I also think a > 3-6 month proposal phase is _way_ too long; 3-6 _weeks_ would be > better), and (b) I don't have a major problem with any of the > suggestions I've seen on either nznog or isocnz-members, providing it's > intended there be a moderately logical hierachy underneath it. I'd support this, it is too long a process. I don't want to see it totally open slather, but since the whole vote thing can be easily rigged, it's of little value. Council should ask around, and then decide, and not a lot else should need to be done. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [members-announce] RFD - proposal to create '.bank.nz'
by Ewen McNeill 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

NOTE: it's rather odd to have this discussion being crossposted to two member-posting-only mailing lists. Perhaps it would be better at, eg, public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz which was mentioned in the original announcement that .bank.nz was being raised again. In message <a0511173fb98fff084e9f(a)[10.0.1.3]>, Andy Gardner writes: >How about this: > >Once the SRS is running and has passed tests (tests conceived by someone >other than a baboon), .nz's SLD is opened up to allcomers? Each time someone proposes a SLD, someone (often several people) raise the idea of a "free for all" in the SLD space. What no one has explained to me is: what is so much better about nationalbank.nz than national.bank.nz or for that matter matrix-the-movie.com than matrix.movie (to pick an example I find particularly grating). You don't get rid of the name space problem by getting rid of name spaces; you just move it around. And you move it around so that you end up with more ad-hoc variations than you would have, if you'd had a SLD. Not to mention that there are technical advantages from multiple SLDs, due to the way the DNS was designed (it was designed to be a deep hierachy). I should, however, note that (a) I think it should be a lot easier to get more SLDs (I do think they should be moderated, but I also think a 3-6 month proposal phase is _way_ too long; 3-6 _weeks_ would be better), and (b) I don't have a major problem with any of the suggestions I've seen on either nznog or isocnz-members, providing it's intended there be a moderately logical hierachy underneath it. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Next generation of SPAM
by Philip D'Ath 21 Aug '02

21 Aug '02

Take a look at: http://www.directadvertiser.com/ It may become the next generation of SPAM. What these people appear to be doing is using Windows Messenger (note, not the same as MSN messenger) [aka, this method uses "net send ..."] to send advertising to people's desktop. The recipient of such a message gets a dialog pop up on their screen. Nothing amazing in the method - but they have wrapped it up in a simple interface so that anyone can do it. I think this is going to mainly affect dial up users with no firewall, as it shouldn't work through PAT connections [aka JetStream/Start] or firewalls. Philip D'Ath, BCMS, MCP, CCNA, CCDA. http://www.ifm.net.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Next generation of SPAM
by Juha Saarinen 21 Aug '02

21 Aug '02

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Adrian Smith wrote: > It appears to be using UDP on port 135, > > which according to www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers is for > > epmap 135/tcp DCE endpoint resolution > epmap 135/udp DCE endpoint resolution If I read it right (too lazy to do a tcpdump), it depends on which version of Windows, and whether or not you've killed off NetBIOS over TCP/IP in favour "direct hosted SMB" http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q204279& -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Next generation of SPAM
by Adrian Smith 21 Aug '02

21 Aug '02

It appears to be using UDP on port 135, which according to www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers is for epmap 135/tcp DCE endpoint resolution epmap 135/udp DCE endpoint resolution Adrian Smith >>>> "Juha Saarinen" <juha(a)saarinen.org> 21/08/2002 11:53:38 >>> >Gordon Smith wrote: >> Looks like a copy of an open source tool that was around some time >> ago. Also has bogus domain registration details, and the address on >> the site is in spammer paradise (Florida). >> >> I believe that the MS NET SEND command relies on NetBIOS over TCP, so >> having something like this at the borders should make it a non-issue: >> >> access-list 101 deny tcp any any eq 137 >> access-list 101 deny tcp any any eq 138 >> access-list 101 deny tcp any any eq 139 >You might have to add TCP and UDP 445 to that list, for Win2K/XP. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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peer (fwd)
by Matt Camp 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

Tim assures me he's fixed it this time..... As before, please apply this to any domestic peering session with either AS4768 or AS7714.

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Noshade size
by nznog 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

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"A secure, zoned Internet within five years"
by Juha Saarinen 15 Aug '02

15 Aug '02

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26695.html Interesting read. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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