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Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
by Matthew Poole 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/EA57668828E0FEEFCC2572AC0070D766 "While emphasing that it's still early days for the proposal and details need to be worked out, Marshall says providers would pay for circuits into Telecom's network, and the incumbent would reciprocate for connections towards providers." How is this an improvement on the current situation? They're not making use of existing peering infrastructure, they're just making other providers pay for a (Telecom-supplied) connection into Telecom's network, which is an option that's always been available to anyone willing to spend the money. Here's hoping that they get told that anything less than true neutral peering isn't good enough. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: aut-num: AS23754 as-name: NZRR-AS23754 descr: CityLink descr: WIX peering at '202.7.0.32' descr: see Citylink RT job #7338 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS23754 import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS23754 import: from AS24385 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS24385 announce AS23754 import: from AS7657 accept {0.0.0.0/0} export: to AS7657 announce AS23754 import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS23754 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: asjl(a)citylink.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20061122 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: aut-num: AS23754 as-name: NZRR-AS23754 descr: CityLink descr: WIX peering at '202.7.0.32' descr: see Citylink RT job #7338 descr: WIX peering at '202.7.0.34' descr: see Citylink RT job #6072 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS23754 import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS23754 import: from AS24385 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS24385 announce AS23754 import: from AS7657 accept {0.0.0.0/0} export: to AS7657 announce AS23754 import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS23754 import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS23754 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: asjl(a)citylink.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070402 source: NZRR --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: advertised to AS9439 by CityLink - AS23754 members: 198.48.0.0/22^22-29, 202.8.44.0/22^22-29, 202.7.6.0/23^23-29, 97.64.46.0/24^24-29, 198.32.71.0/24^24-29, 202.7.5.0/24^24-29, 203.118.144.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20061214 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Cafenet CHC - AS23754 members: 198.48.3.64/28^28-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: simon(a)citylink.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070402 source: NZRR

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Google Launches new in home fibre optic service
by Dan Clark 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

You guys aren't gonna believe this, actually to be honest I dont really believe it either... http://www.google.com/tisp/ Regards Dan

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Clarification on AUT's connection
by Ian Batterbee 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

Trust techo types to actually verify what I said... As a couple of people have now pointed out, AUT's prefix of 156.62.0.0/16 is not currently being advertised through Orcon (however you will find it through TCL and KAREN). This is a temporary situation and shouldn't be considered 'normal'. --- Ian Batterbee, CCNP Senior Network Technician Auckland University of Technology

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Re: [nznog] Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
by Stewart Fleming 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

> > >Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most >(all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university >in the country, certainly peers at APE. > Help me out here. What incentives can I (as operator of a local exchange) now offer to a University to convince it that peering locally is a Good Idea when they have KAREN? At various times, I've offered the University Of Eastern Venezuela (*) peering for a) $XXX/monthly (**), and b) the cost of a piece of patch cord, so far without takers. I think I might have to pay them before the chicken/egg dichotomy gets resolved ("We'll peer if everyone else does"; Everyone Else says "We'll peer if they do".)... (*) Name changed to protect the innocent. (**) Amount obscured, but the number of digits is right.

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS24324 descr: advertised to AS9560 by Kordia (former BCL) - AS24324 members: 124.157.64.0/19^19-29, 202.68.80.0/20^20-29, 202.20.0.0/21^21-29, 202.49.16.0/21^21-29, 202.49.128.0/21^21-29, 218.185.224.0/21^21-29, 202.27.88.0/23^23-29, 192.173.17.0/24^24-29, 202.27.83.0/24^24-29, 202.27.90.0/24^24-29, 202.36.75.0/24^24-29, 202.36.137.0/24^24-29, 202.36.154.0/24^24-29, 202.36.173.0/24^24-29, 202.37.168.0/24^24-29, 202.37.197.0/24^24-29, 202.49.106.0/24^24-29, 202.49.158.0/24^24-29, 202.49.183.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: smc(a)kordia.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20061214 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: 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203.27.201.0/24^24-29, 203.28.157.0/24^24-29, 203.28.174.0/24^24-29, 203.29.221.0/24^24-29, 203.30.181.0/24^24-29, 203.30.194.0/24^24-29, 203.31.13.0/24^24-29, 203.31.96.0/24^24-29, 203.31.141.0/24^24-29, 203.34.95.0/24^24-29, 203.55.151.0/24^24-29, 203.56.243.0/24^24-29, 203.57.134.0/24^24-29, 203.61.76.0/24^24-29, 203.102.166.0/24^24-29, 203.108.77.0/24^24-29, 203.112.114.0/24^24-29, 203.173.63.0/24^24-29, 203.206.161.0/24^24-29, 203.206.190.0/24^24-29, 203.206.196.0/24^24-29, 203.206.198.0/24^24-29, 203.206.201.0/24^24-29, 203.206.213.0/24^24-29, 203.206.214.0/24^24-29, 203.206.217.0/24^24-29, 203.215.12.0/24^24-29, 203.215.17.0/24^24-29, 203.215.31.0/24^24-29, 210.8.138.0/24^24-29, 210.55.110.0/24^24-29, 210.55.184.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070330 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: advertised to AS9439 by Ihug ltd - AS7657 members: 121.90.0.0/16^16-29, 124.168.0.0/16^16-29, 203.59.0.0/16^16-29, 203.109.128.0/17^17-29, 203.173.128.0/17^17-29, 203.206.0.0/17^17-29, 203.214.0.0/17^17-29, 202.129.64.0/18^18-29, 203.118.128.0/18^18-29, 210.84.0.0/18^18-29, 124.6.192.0/19^19-29, 202.161.0.0/19^19-29, 203.96.192.0/19^19-29, 203.158.32.0/19^19-29, 203.166.224.0/19^19-29, 203.173.0.0/19^19-29, 203.206.128.0/19^19-29, 203.214.128.0/19^19-29, 203.217.32.0/19^19-29, 203.217.64.0/19^19-29, 202.46.160.0/20^20-29, 202.73.192.0/20^20-29, 203.173.32.0/20^20-29, 203.190.192.0/20^20-29, 202.36.16.0/21^21-29, 202.49.64.0/21^21-29, 202.126.80.0/21^21-29, 203.173.48.0/21^21-29, 203.206.168.0/21^21-29, 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203.27.89.0/24^24-29, 203.27.201.0/24^24-29, 203.28.157.0/24^24-29, 203.28.174.0/24^24-29, 203.29.221.0/24^24-29, 203.30.181.0/24^24-29, 203.30.194.0/24^24-29, 203.31.13.0/24^24-29, 203.31.96.0/24^24-29, 203.31.141.0/24^24-29, 203.34.95.0/24^24-29, 203.55.151.0/24^24-29, 203.56.243.0/24^24-29, 203.57.134.0/24^24-29, 203.61.76.0/24^24-29, 203.102.166.0/24^24-29, 203.108.77.0/24^24-29, 203.112.114.0/24^24-29, 203.173.63.0/24^24-29, 203.206.161.0/24^24-29, 203.206.190.0/24^24-29, 203.206.196.0/24^24-29, 203.206.198.0/24^24-29, 203.206.201.0/24^24-29, 203.206.213.0/24^24-29, 203.206.214.0/24^24-29, 203.206.217.0/24^24-29, 203.215.12.0/24^24-29, 203.215.17.0/24^24-29, 203.215.31.0/24^24-29, 210.8.138.0/24^24-29, 210.55.110.0/24^24-29, 210.55.184.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070326 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: advertised to AS9439 by Ihug Ltd - AS7657 members: 121.90.0.0/16^16-29, 124.168.0.0/16^16-29, 203.59.0.0/16^16-29, 203.109.128.0/17^17-29, 203.173.128.0/17^17-29, 203.206.0.0/17^17-29, 203.214.0.0/17^17-29, 202.129.64.0/18^18-29, 203.118.128.0/18^18-29, 210.84.0.0/18^18-29, 124.6.192.0/19^19-29, 202.161.0.0/19^19-29, 203.96.192.0/19^19-29, 203.158.32.0/19^19-29, 203.166.224.0/19^19-29, 203.173.0.0/19^19-29, 203.206.128.0/19^19-29, 203.214.128.0/19^19-29, 203.217.32.0/19^19-29, 203.217.64.0/19^19-29, 202.46.160.0/20^20-29, 202.73.192.0/20^20-29, 203.173.32.0/20^20-29, 203.190.192.0/20^20-29, 202.36.16.0/21^21-29, 202.49.64.0/21^21-29, 202.126.80.0/21^21-29, 203.173.48.0/21^21-29, 203.206.168.0/21^21-29, 203.206.176.0/21^21-29, 203.215.0.0/21^21-29, 203.217.0.0/21^21-29, 203.217.16.0/21^21-29, 210.4.208.0/21^21-29, 210.55.248.0/21^21-29, 198.48.0.0/22^22-29, 202.8.44.0/22^22-29, 202.36.24.0/22^22-29, 202.49.240.0/22^22-29, 202.50.188.0/22^22-29, 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203.31.141.0/24^24-29, 203.34.95.0/24^24-29, 203.55.151.0/24^24-29, 203.56.243.0/24^24-29, 203.57.134.0/24^24-29, 203.61.76.0/24^24-29, 203.102.166.0/24^24-29, 203.108.77.0/24^24-29, 203.112.114.0/24^24-29, 203.173.63.0/24^24-29, 203.206.161.0/24^24-29, 203.206.190.0/24^24-29, 203.206.196.0/24^24-29, 203.206.198.0/24^24-29, 203.206.201.0/24^24-29, 203.206.213.0/24^24-29, 203.206.214.0/24^24-29, 203.206.217.0/24^24-29, 203.215.12.0/24^24-29, 203.215.17.0/24^24-29, 203.215.31.0/24^24-29, 210.8.138.0/24^24-29, 210.55.110.0/24^24-29, 210.55.184.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070330 source: NZRR

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5.8GHz in Dunedin
by Stewart Fleming 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

We're trying to track down a potential interference problem that is affecting one of our access points in North Dunedin. Could any local operator using Trango or Motorola 5.8GHz gear in that area please contact me off-list? Thanks. -- -- Tel: 03 474 2100 Cell: 021 993 125 Web: www.wic.co.nz Co-location and Web hosting. Dunedin-wide wireless. Independent Internet Service Provider.

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Re: [nznog] Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
by Alastair Johnson 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

[once more for good luck - maybe THIS time I'll get it on list] Matthew Poole wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Alastair Johnson wrote: > >> Every ISP at Every IX? Does it end at ISPs? What about universities, >> for instance? What about satellite networks where the uplink isn't >> necessarily NZ based? >> > At their local (to their primary centre of operations) IX, obviously. > And I'm envisaging xx,000 being a sufficiently high number that only the > University of Auckland (with around 40,000 FTE students) would even come > close. Okay, but if you're only interconnecting/exchanging at your local IX then suddenly this is not as useful as it sounded. Telecom's primary center of operations is indisputably Auckland. Does that mean that, e.g. Trademe, cannot reach TNZ across an IX? Or do we come back to region-isation again? >> Are you going to pay for my long haul circuits to Palmy? >> > Is your primary centre of operations in Palmy? No? Why would you peer in > Palmy, then? Because you're regulating peering. If we must peer, then surely everyone needs to peer either everywhere (expensive), or at one IX (expensive for some). Otherwise you're significantly reducing the benefit of it before you even start. What happens if my POPs are islands and not connected to my backbone[s]? (think internap PNAPs) I'm only going to originate local prefixes anyway. What if I don't want to haul Content Provider C's traffic from Palmy to my subscribers in Auckland because it's 50+Mbps? Third option: regional based peering. My POP in PMR peers at the PNIX and only originates local prefixes. These all sound like significant business and technical issues that would need to be addressed by regulation. Unless your idea of regulation is to just focus on the big boys. Maybe that's fair, maybe that's not.... >> Doesn't sound like it would work so well, to me. If we said only the >> "major" IXs, what happens when the poor guy in Christchurch signs up his >> XX,000th customer and is forced to peer... but isn't getting access to >> the Big Boys? >> > Realistically, how many ISPs that are based outside AKL/WLG stand any > chance of getting 50+,000 users? Remembering that of the top five, > unless something has changed a lot in recent times, only Xtra and the > TCL stable are > 100k. If the government is serious about our OECD rankings, then I think many ISPs are going to hit >50k. If you believe press releases, Ihug, Orcon, and Callplus are all around (or over) the 100k mark. >> Regulated peering sounds very scary to me... >> > Only if one takes it to absurdity. If it's regulated in such a way that > only the very largest players could be affected, and the requirement on > which IX(s) is based around centre(s) of operations, it's easily > defined, easily enforced, and as I said won't really affect anyone other > than TCL and TCNZ. Which one may state is not particularly fair. Incidentally, what about Vodafone? I've noticed that traffic from a large number of smaller providers currently trombones via Tokyo and Sydney. > Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that > most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest > university in the country, certainly peers at APE. I think you'll find that UoA in particular does not peer [any longer]. UoW also does not. aj.

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Re: [nznog] jumbo frames
by Jonathan Woolley 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

>Jumbo frames aside from the usefulness of bigger payload for >mpls/tunnels etc add some value in an environment where there's some >packet loss. I would have thought it makes it worse, assuming a physical fault resulting in a constant bit error rate combined with larger packet size means higher probability that a packet is corrupted (as there are more bits in it). The resulting packet is discarded which is a bigger loss than discarding a smaller one. >For example in an environment with say a 1Gbps link where packet loss >is .1% with 1500 byte MTU you get 28Mbps througput. With Jumboframes >that leaps to approx 162Mbps. Can I see the maths behind this? If you're talking about packet loss due to congestion and not using TCP then you're probably right

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