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ISP Details
by barry＠unix.co.nz 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Hey guys, Im looking for the following details which will be published in an ispmap within the next month. Please reply off list with the ISP name in the subject of the email. ISP: URL: Telephone number: Fax Number: Dialin Number: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: Email Address: Postal Address: AS Number: Upstream Provider(s): The map will be on ispmap.co.nz and will show ISPs international connectivity. For an example of a generated map, please see http://www.ispmap.org.za/topmap.html . Im working with Gregory (author of ispmap.org.za) to add further functionality to the site. Thanks Kindest Regards Barry Murphy ------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through UnixCo Webmail: http://www.unix.co.nz/

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calling wellington internet historians
by Joe Abley 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Does anybody happen to remember when peering between ISPs in Wellington using network 10 addresses started happening? I remember Craig Anderson circulating a draft document reserving chunks of 10/8 for people, and some talk about static ARP, but I don't remember when it was. The current address block used on the WIX (202.7.0.0/23) was pulled out of Rex Croft's magic bag of spare addresses in July 1998, according to the list archives, so it was before then. If I was to document a start date for the WIX (e.g. "first BGP session between ISPs was set up", or maybe "first packet was exchanged between citylink/CNHL customers", or something) what would it be? Joe

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NGN survey
by M. Salim KETEVANLIOGLU 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Dear list members, I am working for Turkish NRA and studying for "NGN migration strategies and regulation" and "country applications". I plan to conduct a survey for incumbent operators and application creators for NGN. I would like to contact persons working ngn related in incumbents and application creators. Kind regards, M. Salim KETEVANLIOGLU Telecommunication Assistant Expert Telecommunications Authority Ankara / TURKEY +90 312 550 50 68

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NZNOG 05'
by Joshua Brady 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hello all, I am booking my flight a bit late, but need to know what airport is going to be easiest to get to from the US. I will be flying KRIC to KLAS for NANOG, then want to transfer over to NZNOG from there (leaving early 02/01/05). Can anyone advise me on what exact airport I'll need to take? Then travel plans from there? Thanks, Joshua Brady

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Re: [nznog] NZNOG 05'
by Ewen McNeill 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

In message <F63658CB-5E83-11D9-BF97-000D93B24C7A(a)isc.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On 4 Jan 2005, at 13:52, Joshua Brady wrote: >> One last question I have no problems driving in NZ with a US Licence? > >Your hire car will have three pedals instead of two; there will be this >strange lever in the middle that you use to change gears; the steering >wheel will be on the wrong side; the fuel will be called "petrol" >instead of "gas"; there will be roundabouts and the roads will actually >have bends in them. You can, and possibly should, ask for an automatic when you book your hire car, rather than a manual (stick shift). An automatic will restore the number of pedals to two (accelerator (gas) and brake), and remove the need to use the strange lever in the middle to change gears (well apart from selecting drive/park/reverse). I suspect at least half of most hire fleets are automatics so it shouldn't be too difficult to get one. Unfortunately the steering wheel will continue to be on the right hand side of the car, which you should consider a reminder to drive on the left hand side of the road :-) New Zealand roads specialise in bends, and from memory the Auckland -> Hamilton road is also through fairly rolling country so you'll have both gentle hills and bends to help keep you awake. You may also wish to keep in mind that speed limits are in kilometres per hour (not miles per hour), and speed limits are enforced with speed cameras in various (sometimes hidden) places; fortunately any hire car you get will also have a speedo showing kilometres per hour so it's just a matter of matching up the numbers. >Your US licence will be fine though, as far as I know :-) http://www.newzealand.com/travel/transport/driving-in-nz/driving-in-new-zea… It appears that providing your licence is current in the US, and you carry it with you (at all times while driving) you can drive in NZ for up to 12 months without a problem. Ewen

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Re: [nznog] NZNOG 05'
by Ewen McNeill 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

In message <6cdc2eb4050104075957b23612(a)mail.gmail.com>, Joshua Brady writes: >I am booking my flight a bit late, but need to know what airport is >going to be easiest to get to from the US. I will be flying KRIC to >KLAS for NANOG, then want to transfer over to NZNOG from there >(leaving early 02/01/05). Can anyone advise me on what exact airport >I'll need to take? Then travel plans from there? Keep in mind that 1 Feburary 2005 Pacific Time is 2 Feburary 2005 in New Zealand for most of the day (all but 5 hours). And the US->New Zealand flight crosses the date line. So if you leave LAX on the evening of 1 Feburary 2005 you'll arrive in New Zealand on the morning of _3_ Feburary 2005, effectively missing out on 2 Feburary 2005 completely. As the NZNOG conference starts with tutorials on 2 Feburary, and the main conference on 3 February that doesn't leave you much spare time. Given that you have limited time, the best option is most likely to fly into AKL (Auckland, New Zealand) which is the closest major international airport. Then drive from there to Hamilton as Joe suggests. The flight will get in around 06:00 in New Zealand, and the drive will take about 2 hours, so you'll arrive just before the main NZNOG conference assuming you leave the US on the evening of 1 Feburary 2005. Both Qantas and Air New Zealand fly LAX->AKL daily, and most major US airlines code share those flights.[0] If you can get a good deal it may be worth considering flying into CHC (Christchurch, New Zealand), and getting a connecting flight from CHC to HLZ (Hamilton, New Zealand). HLZ is the closest airport to the conference (about 15 minutes in a taxi), but has limited international flights (mainly only from Australia). There are fairly regular connecting flights from CHC -> HLZ throughout the day with Air New Zealand and some with Origin Pacific; the connecting flights would take about 1 hour. If you had more time you could consider flying via Australia (BNE (Brisbane), SYD (Sydney) or MEL (Melbourne)), but the US-> Australia flight takes about 3-4 hours longer than US->AKL, and the Australia -> New Zealand flights take about 4 hours. With connections it'd probably add 10-12 hours to the travel time, which you don't have spare. Ewen [0] There are a few flights from AKL->HLZ (Hamilton, New Zealand -- the closest airport to the conference) daily, taking about 30 minutes flying time, but the first one is 11:50 so it's not much use to you.

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. Conference Our next annual conference is to be hosted by the WAND group in Hamilton on February 2nd to 4th. That's less than five weeks away. See http://www.nznog.org/ for more information and to REGISTER NOW. Other Meetings See http://auckland.thursdaynightcurry.com/ or http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Auckland or Wellington. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators, not by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.nzix.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland, Palmerston North and Wellington exchanges, and some information on others under construction. About This Mailing List This list has around 750 addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. You may choose to receive postings as they come in, or just to receive daily "digests". See the bottom of the page http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog/ to change the form in which you receive postings. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by employees of Alcatel NZ Ltd, Citylink and Telecom. None of these organisations, nor any administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrators remain happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Telecom Outage
by Dream Net Internet 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Hello Everyone, Happy New Year!! Does any one know of a Telecom outage around 8.30 last night (new years eve?) Regards Adam Fenech www.dreamnet.co.nz Check out our online store for great deals www.dreamnet.co.nz/store.html

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Upcoming webcast activity
by Richard Naylor 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

The following webcasting activity is scheduled for the next few days/weeks. While we don't expect large volumes of traffic, Operators may like to be aware of the activity, as some communities of interest are involved that may generate extra calls to Help Desks. Scouts Jamboree - about now until about 8 Jan ------------------------- We are webcasting their Radio Station and TV station. The URLs are http://www.r2.co.nz/meta.jamradio.asx http://www.r2.co.nz/meta/jamtv.asx These are in windows media 9 format - available from MS. We hope they leave the encoding PC alone long enough for people to be able to listen/watch. It was all go just before my cup of tea.........<sigh> Radio Tarana ------------------- Radio Tarana are now webcasting 24/7 - off their web site www.tarana.co.nz - they are an AKL based Hindi radio station, so locals may be interested. Because of content rights, this webcast may be restricted to NZ based clients only. Radio NZ -------------- National Radio will be starting a programme series on 1 Jan, with each programme available for listening "on-demand" afterwards. The topic is Split Enz so may be popular. Because of RIANZ rights issues, the content will only be available to NZ based clients, using Anycast routing into WIX, where the server is located. ISPs not peering at WIX may receive Help Desk calls asking why the content won't play. On the other hand the weather may be really good and no one will bother with any of this....... Happy Christmas and New Year - Rich

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Re: [nznog] [Inetnum object]
by Andy Linton 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

About a month ago Sid Jones and I had a conversation about one of his customers who has a /23 in this space. We raised the issue with APNIC and I attach the thread. There's a clear implication in the mail below that APNIC expect Telecom NZ to cooperate on this issue which seems to be at odds with their behaviour over 202.49.252.0 - 202.49.255.255 as David Robb has noted. I suggest a number of things here: 1) each ISP who routes portions of this block should encourage their customers to write to APNIC requesting that as this block was allocated via the University of Waikato which was operating as a proto NZNIC at the time then this address space should be deemed to be provider independent space which should be administered as other 'swamp' space. For example, here's a record that's recently been obscured as part of this exercise: inetnum: 202.36.137.0 - 202.36.137.255 > netname: NZMFE > descr: Ministry for the Environment > descr: P.O. Box 10-362 > descr: The Terrace > descr: Wellington > country: NZ > admin-c: MB22-AP > tech-c: MB22-AP > notify: dbmon(a)apnic.net > mnt-by: APNIC-HM > changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19931217 > status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE > changed: hm-changed(a)apnic.net 20031020 > source: APNIC This is clearly PORTABLE space and makes no reference to Telecom NZ and the admin-c and tech-c details were updated just over a year ago. Note that this address was allocated in 1993 long before Netway (a Telecom NZ subsidiary) entered the picture at all. Why are APNIC changing the goal posts? 2) the customers should also write to Telecom NZ making clear that their portion of address space was not issued to Telecom NZ but to them by the University of Waikato (acting as a proto NZNIC) and that they want Telecom to relinquish control of this space back to APNIC. 3) I'd encourage APNIC to look again at this. 4) user groups such as InternetNZ, TUANZ etc need to get across this issue and raise it with Telecom NZ 5) I'd suggest the press get their teeth into this but that's probably not necessary as there's no story here. (:-) andy -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: [APNIC #624302] 202.27.0.0/16 and http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/privacy-faq.html (fwd)] (fwd) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:20:59 +1000 (EST) From: John Tran <john(a)apnic.net> To: asjl(a)citylink.co.nz CC: Anne Lord <anne(a)apnic.net>, Elly Tawhai <elly(a)apnic.net>, Tim Jones <tim(a)apnic.net> Hi Andy, We have searched all our historical emails and records regarding NZNIC as well as all information relating to 202.27.0.0/16. Here is the summary of what we found. Before 1995, the following address ranges had been allocated by APNIC to the University of Waikato, which operated as a gateway for New Zealand, under the name NZGATE: 202.27/16 202.37/16 202.36/16 202.49/16 202.50/16 These ranges were allocated on the basis that NZGATE would make further allocations to their customers. In 1995, Netway Commnication Ltd took over the international gateway function from the University of Waikato and the IP addresses were transfered with APNIC's approval. Netway continued contracting University of Waikato staff to allocate IP addresses on Netway's behalf to its customers. NZNIC was then established by the University of Waikato to obtain provider independent addresses for other organisations like Clear Communication and Netlink. Netway was then transfered to NZtelecom in late 1997, along with the corresponding address space. In November 1998, because of the confusion in the Internet community in New Zealand about whether the address space that they obtained from the University of Waikato was portable or not, APNIC and Brett Telfer (Netgate) re-confirmed that the above ranges would be best managed by NZTelecom. Since then, these address ranges are used by APNIC to determine the membership tier paid by NZtelecom as outlined in: http://www.apnic.net/member/feesinfo.html NZTelcom is able to assist any organisation holding address space with reverse DNS and is able to change the status of DB object to public, if so requested. I hope the above information is useful for you. If you need additional information please contact us. If you would prefer to discuss this further, we can arrange a telephone conference. Regards Son ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:39:44 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord <anne(a)apnic.net> To: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> Cc: son(a)apnic.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: [APNIC #624302] 202.27.0.0/16 and http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/privacy-faq.html (fwd)] hi Andy, Thanks for your email. I'm no longer involved in handling resource requests, but I have copied Son Tran, the manager of the Member Services department, on this email, who is and who will be able to help you. It certainly looks like this warrants a much closer examination of the records and history and I am sure Son would be happy to talk to you. Best wishes, Anne cc: Son On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Andy Linton wrote: > Anne, > > I've had a conversation today with Sid Jones about this mail. These blocks > were allocated to the University of Waikato which operated as the proto NZNIC > in the early nineties prior to APNIC handling this work. > > Aaron Scott who is listed in the changed record below went to work for Telecom > NZ when they took over handling the exchange point at Waikato. There are a > significant number of NZ government departments and other "blue chip" > identities listed in the records who don't use Telecom NZ as their ISP and who > believe that they have portable space. Some of them have /21 allocations and > perhaps even /20 allocations. > > This whole set of blocks really should be considered as swamp space. > > I will be raising this issue on the NZNOG mailing list suggesting that those > entities who have had these blocks allocated to then for periods in the order > of 10 years or more should contact you asking for clarification of their position. > > I think it would be good if APNIC took a good look at the allocations within > these ranges and considered what's going on here. > > Happy to discuss - +64 4 910 5654 > > andy > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:44:30 +1000 > From: gpan via RT <helpdesk(a)apnic.net> > To: sid(a)tsnz.net > Subject: [APNIC #624302] 202.27.0.0/16 and > http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/privacy-faq.html > > > Dear Sid, > > Thank you for your enquiry. It was proposed at the APNIC 16 > meeting in 2003 that customer assignments (and sub-allocation > records) need no longer be publicly accessible via normal > 'whois' queries to the APNIC Whois Database. > > Customer registration records must still be registered within > the APNIC Whois Database, in order to document address > utilisation, however a new 'public' database attribute has been > created to allow these records to be excluded from public whois > query results. This is why you are unable to receive any > result when querying the APNIC Whois Database about this > particular /23. You will get the result as: > > inetnum: 202.27.0.0 - 202.27.255.255 > netname: NZGATE-NZ > descr: NZ Gate National Service Provider > descr: Component of University Of Waikato > descr: New Zeland > country: NZ > admin-c: DBK1-AP > tech-c: KS61-AP > remarks: service provider > notify: dbmon(a)apnic.net > mnt-by: APNIC-HM > mnt-lower: NZTELECOM > changed: ARRON(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ 19950612 > changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 20020208 > changed: hm-change(a)apnic.net 20020621 > status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE > source: APNIC > > Information contained within the historical records outlines that > NZTelecom has full authority over the following blocks: > > 202.27.0.0/16 > 202.36.0.0/16 > 202.37.0.0/16 > 202.49.0.0/16 > 202.50.0.0/16 > 203.96.0.0/17 > > Information from those records also outline that the assignments from > these ranges are non portable. > > 202.27.xx.0/23 > > This address space is from a block allocated, by APNIC to NZTelecom. > This means that all assignments made from this block are non portable. > > If your customer would like to see or change their records in APNIC > whois database, please advise them to contact NZ Telecom. > > Best Regards, > Guangliang > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Guangliang Pan, Internet Resource Analyst <gpan(a)apnic.net> > Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 > http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 > Helpdesk phone: +61 7 3858 3188 > email: helpdesk(a)apnic.net > > Please send Internet Resource Requests to <hostmaster(a)apnic.net> > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > [sid(a)tsnz.net - Wed Oct 20 12:27:02 2004]: > > > Hi > > > > I'm writing to you on behalf of one of my customers XXXXXXX > > as we have something of a dilemma. > > > > I believe the XXXXXX applied for some PI address space from the > > university of waikato sometime in the mid-1990s and were allocated > > 203.27.xx.0/23. > > > > I also believe this space was "swamp" space and not allocated to any > > of the various service providers in New Zealand. > > > > > > They have had this space routed to them via effectively the same > > provider since then. The provider for the past 3 years has been > > TelstraClear NZ Ltd, prior to that it was Telstra NZ Ltd and > > previously Netlink > > > > Can you please clarify who the /23 is allocated to. > > > > Can you please clarify if the customer can still use this space while > > connected to the provider they have had for the past decade. > > > > Further if this is the case how do we get the current records updated > > to reflect this sub-delegation. I'm also curious as to what effect > if > > any this has on other customers I have in 202.27/16 > > > > >

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