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Re: [nznog] Re: Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

You were not supposed to be on that list. I wouldn't deal with you on the basis of your degree of involvement with Net4u. Mr Net4u 2IC giving me a lecture? Don't throw stones in glass houses. Michael Hallager > > A few NZNOGers have received an email. Out of these few, even fewer have > > complained. I have just received some complaints from people whom in in > > all likelyhood have a short memory for names/people they have had contact > > with. > > Hell, if we have to all individually complain to get the point across that > spam sucks (I even have to get the point across?), then treat this as an > individual complaint. > > If you're going to try and say I have a short memory for names/people I > have had contact with, you're wrong. About the only reason you'd have my > email address is because I was once employed by a company who provided you > with connectivity to the vast network that is the interweb. But wait, if > you'd emailed me with respect to that, you would have used my work email > address. Whoops, guess you got my address from NZNOG. > > > However 50% of those who have complained never received anything in the > > first place because I check their names and NOTHING..... comes up. > > I assure you I received a copy of your spam. I'll forward it back to you > with headers if you don't believe me. > > > Also some people are starting to post myths and fake stories up here now. > > > > There is no spamming, no email harvesting, no nonsense, no conspiracy. > > ?! The only myth I've seen so far is that "there is no spamming". > > > As much as it might suit some peoples egos to continue on with this > > tirade, I have done everything I can and apologised several times. > > Wrong. Doing everything you can would have involved not sending the spam in > the first place. > > > I really don't deserve the crap that I receive from some people - I hope > > they never make an error of judgement in case they are on the receiving > > end of their own bad attitude. Complain to me, yes - abuse/threaten me, > > no. > > You, are a spammer. Spammers deserve what they get. > > As an aside, if you've never dealt with Richard and/or Helix, how come he > received a copy of your spam? Whoops, NZNOG harvesting again. > > In case you haven't got the message, remove me from your list. > > Michael. -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Again
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

I notice that there is some more noise on the subject: I have heard what the NZNOG has to say. The message was not intended to be spam, it was intended to be a few targeted emails to appropriate people offering them the opportunity to get included on the newsletter or get a login to the website. Unfortunitly, poor wording of the email has left some people with the wrong impression. 1. No one was ever added to the newsletter mailing list unless they asked. Therefore it was always OPT IN. 2. A negative reply or no reply is considered to be 'un interested'. As of now I have written to everyone who has received the email and complained. (If I have left you out, that was an oversight) and I have apologised. For the odd person who has threatened a mail block, that is up to you, but I hope that you will consider it again - counter productive for your clients as well as mine. You know who I am and you know that I won't be doing it again, therefore negating the purpose. The mailout was small, but ill-conceived. I accept responsibility for this and I will not be making a repeat of this mistake. I will shortly be adding a 'add me to your newsletter mailing list' DOUBLE OPT IN option to my website to allow people to join. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

> A few months ago I was approached by Whitebox Express (Colin Brown - ex > PC Company) about going on their mailing list, but they didn't just > start sending me mail without asking, I got an email saying would I like > to be added, and if I DID want to be added then I could reply saying so. > They didn't just add me and then expect me to unsubscribe if I didn't > want to hear from them. What you describe is exactly what I did. It was always an OPT IN mailing list. All people received was a relevant, targetted and professional ONE OFF INVITATION. However some people, including many who never actually received the email, have jumped on the "spam" bandwagon. The few who have contacted me - I have done the right thing for them. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Keith Davidson 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Neil G wrote: > >From: Keith Davidson >>For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should >>never deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that >>he is a spammer. > > Well, I'm not sorry I called Michael on this but I have one thing to > say... > > Sheee-it! If I ever make a stupid public mistake on this list, please let > me > have the good sense to publically and promptly apologise. Indeed. Instead, I got the following charming personal "apology" from Michael Hallager the spammer: --<cut>-- And I will likewise about yourself. grow up. your name is now on the blacklist. you will not be contacted again. > For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should never > deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that he is a > spammer. --<paste> Keith Davidson <who thought he was fully grown up>

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Donald Neal 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

As Ewen McNeill put it, > From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 9:02 p.m. > To: Mark Foster > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? [...] > Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that > sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found > on the New > Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is > to attract > new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in > running the networks. > > So hopefully there will not be a repeat. The same could usefully be said of much of this thread's content. This thread has long since ceased to have any operational relevance it may just possibly once have possessed. I also see too little of the respect for other subscribers which the AUP requires. Repeat contributors who don't stop now can expect to see warnings as described in paragraph ten of the AUP. There are lots of high-volume forums on the interweb which aren't expecially focussed on a particular subject. This isn't one of them. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Palmerdale: Are you in charge here? Technical Specialist |The Doctor: No, but I'm full of Operations Engineering | ideas. Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And yes, he is a member of this list. I thought people on here should know better than this!!! N.

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Re: Re: [nznog] Re: Networkstuff promotion
by Jonny Martin 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

> crap > more crap So how about that Telstra outage then... Jonny.

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Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Hello all. I have just gone through and added a few names to the no-contact list although only about 50% of the people posting so far in this subject so far were ever emailed in the first place. At last count, about 5 or 6. The actions of some in threatening mail blocks and in continuing this on NZNOG has made it rather hard for me to asertain who would like to be added. I have already discussed it with others, some who would rather keep the pot boiling... for no obvious reason.... I have tried to sort this out with as many people as possible. So I repeat - contact me directly with your details and it will happen. I sincerely apologise again to all who were offended. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Ewen McNeill 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0410102013390.12121(a)babylon.blakjak.net>, Mark Foster writes: >>[Regarding an apparently fairly widespread email to people "involved >> in the local internet / computer industry."] > >Speaking of which; any representatives of Michael's upstream present on >the list? If so you can colour this as an official complaint about the UCE >from Michael Hallager as he obviously doesn't see the reason that NZNOG >have such a low opinion of him. I sent a report to abuse@$UPSTREAMISP around 17:30 with full details. I assume someone at $UPSTREAMISP will deal with it tomorrow. Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found on the New Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is to attract new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in running the networks. So hopefully there will not be a repeat. Ewen

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Michael, after sending spam (presumably to a bunch of people on this list) you shouldn't be throwing stones. I sent the email to the list at 5:14pm although Paradise didn't pass it on until just after 6pm... In any case, I sent the email to the list before I heard from you - and to be honest I don't give spammers the courtesy of assuming they'll reply intelligently or in a timely fashion (Which you did, however). Cheers - Neil G -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 7:03 p.m. To: Neil(a)neilnz.com Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? We have had this discussion and I thought that we settled the matter. Why are you trying to stir? Michael > Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? > I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And > yes, he is a member of this list. > > I thought people on here should know better than this!!! > > N. > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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