In message <B4F614073A647F4DAC7F5E4BE6E9EEF70328FA(a)w2kmail.bits.co.nz>, Carl Black writes:
>basically they pay individuals $usd1.00 per hour they leave their PC
>available as a SPAM relay - at ~$8700 a year,
If you read the Slashdot discussion (and the website carefully) you'll
see they are claiming they'll pay US$1.00 per hour of CPU time. Spam
delivery is hardly CPU bound.
A bunch of idiots will probably sign up thinking they're going to get
thousands of dollars a year; even …
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at most. And I'd say it's better than even money they won't get
anything -- rule #1: spammers lie.
Given the number of zombie mail relays "administered" by people without
the clue to manage a machine on the Internet I'm not sure that someone
offering to pay for them is going to make a whole of difference to the
volumes of spam.
Ewen
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> What routing protocols do people use on their networks?
> Particularly inside.
>
> Does anyone in the world actually use IS-IS ?
>
> I am not interested in what network runs what, just how many networks
> run various protocols.
>
> Rough idea of network size would be nice, and any partcular
> reasons you
> prefer one to the other.
>
> thanks for satisfying my curiosity
> JM
In the words of Iljitsch van Beijnum's book "BGP", which I was reading
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"If you are implementing a large-scale IP network or have unusual
requirements, you should definitely read up on all the protocols so you
can make an informed decision. However, most small-to-medium sized
networks running just IP should go ahead and select OSPF: it does the
job, doesn't have any huge disadvantages, and is readily available."
- Donald Neal
Donald Neal | "I suspect most samba
Technical Specialist | developers are already
Operations Engineering | technically insane. Of course,
Integration & Services Divn. | since many of them are
Alcatel NZ Ltd | Australians you can't tell."
All opinions mine only. | - Linus Torvalds
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I knew that I phrased that wrong just after I clicked "send"
I meant the IGP type rather than packet/PDU authentication :)
I wonder if it's common that at BOFs and presentations you'd find engineers from ISPs and such talking on the subject of solvung problem xyz or why they find abc good in a particular IGP.
Another interesting link sent to me is a disection between the two protocols:
http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0006/katz.html
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> From: Joe Abley [mailto:…
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> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 22:37
> To: Chris Hellberg
> Cc: nznog(a)glassmile.co.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: Re: [nznog] Routing protocols
>
>
>
> On 15 Apr 2004, at 06:32, Chris Hellberg wrote:
>
> > I stand corrected. In this case, I wonder if it's the
> exception rather
> > than the norm that large carriers protect things such as their IGP
> > then?
>
> I'm quite sure that AOL and MFN protect their IGP, but they
> do so using
> link-layer authentication, a link-scope, non-routed protocol (in the
> case of IS-IS) and by not exposing it to customers or other external
> entities. That's what we do at ISC.
>
> Security by obscurity is no longer in style, maybe.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)isc.org]
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 22:28
> To: Chris Hellberg
> Cc: nznog(a)glassmile.co.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: Re: [nznog] Routing protocols
>
> >
> > As for what networks are running what protocol, you're
> unlikely to get
> > too much on that sort of info.
>
> AOL's transport network runs IS-IS (there was a presentation about
> their transition …
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> MFN/AboveNet did a
> similar transition while I was there. We run IS-IS as our IGP in our
> home network (AS 3557), although we still use OSPF in local-scope
> anycast clusters since it's more straightforward to find ways of
> supporting it on FreeBSD.
>
>
> Joe
I stand corrected. In this case, I wonder if it's the exception rather than the norm that large carriers protect things such as their IGP then?
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Large networks all over the world run IS-IS. You won't find an abundance of information on the protocol as you would with OSPF (especially such as John Moy's OSPF book), however it's still a very popular IGP.
There's an interesting draft on the differences between OSPF and ISIS which probably wouldn't have been written if IS-IS wasn't used a whole heap:
http://ftp.apnic.net/ietf/internet-drafts/draft-bhatia-manral-diff-isis-osp…
As for what networks are running what protocol, you're …
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Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nznog-bounces+chris.hellberg=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> [mailto:nznog-bounces+chris.hellberg=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikat
> o.ac.nz]On
> Behalf Of nznog
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 22:07
> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
> Subject: [nznog] Routing protocols
>
>
> What routing protocols do people use on their networks?
> Particularly inside.
>
> Does anyone in the world actually use IS-IS ?
>
> I am not interested in what network runs what, just how many networks
> run various protocols.
>
> Rough idea of network size would be nice, and any partcular
> reasons you
> prefer one to the other.
>
> thanks for satisfying my curiosity
> JM
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Hi guys, we currently have a problem where one of our client has have
switched their dns mail and hosting over to us, but the monkeys they
were with before had set the TLL at 7 days.
So for example it's currently on day 5 in the Xtra dns cache.
Is there anyway to speed up the process and flush those cached values?
That client has of course just done send some publicity out :-)
PS: The domain in question is thereef.co.nz.
Thanks.
jfp.
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Surprised I haven't seen this crowd mentioned here before:
www.virtualmda.com
basically they pay individuals $usd1.00 per hour they leave their PC
available as a SPAM relay - at ~$8700 a year, that's going to be VERY
tempting for lots of people. Maybe time for blanket blocks on TCP25?
There's some talk about it on /.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/04/14/1415217.shtml?tid=111&tid=126&tid=95&ti
d=98&tid=99
How to show your boss that you need a new PC. Simply demo playing some
streaming video that you can find here.......http://www.r2.co.nz/20040413
I suggest you don't try this on dsl.....It works on CafeNet, but you need
to leave the lappy on mains power as some of them reduce cpu capacity to
save power. These video clips eat CPU capacity. Its interesting what PCs
and lappys can actually play this stuff, even off their own hard drive. If
there enough feedback, I'll put the files up on an …
[View More]http server so that you
can download them. The 5 clips total around 650MBytes.
An excellent demo as to why "broadband" ISN'T 256kbps.......
(there is another demo coming, but we can't show you that one yet)
rich
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Saturday 17 April 1200Hrs
Public Memorial Service for Dr Michael King and his wife at Te Papa
Official hours of webcast are 1200 to 1330, but as usual it will start with
a title slide etc as early as we can get it going.
The streaming server will be located in Wellington and is peering on WIX.
Public interest is not expected to be huge, but may be high once the
webcast is publicised presumably by Te Papa. Webcast details are on
www.r2.co.nz
The webcast will have 5 streams -
video = …
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audio = 56kbps, 28kbps
There is also an experimental video stream at 1500kbps - It looks very
good, but I doubt if anyone will be watching. Feel free to use this for a
broadcast feed if needed. This stream may stress a few networks. (and run
up a few massive dsl bills).
Many of the technical questions are still being resolved, but it is
expected that the webcast will be a multi-camera event, like the NZNOG
Conference, but with higher levels of production quality. (ie a full crew
and better cameras, sound, lighting etc)
For further details, questions etc, contact me via email or on 021 897 089
Richard
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It seems likely that the Conference Organising Committee will be in a
position shortly to select a host and venue for next year's conference,
and to make an announcement some time next month.
Could anyone offering to host this event who has not already done so
please contact me by midday Friday, 16 April.
Thanks for your attention.
- Donald Neal
Donald Neal | "I suspect most samba
Technical Specialist | developers are already
Operations Engineering | …
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Integration & Services Divn. | since many of them are
Alcatel NZ Ltd | Australians you can't tell."
All opinions mine only. | - Linus Torvalds
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