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Current Jetstream 'Deal'...
by Dan Clark 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

OK, we've all seen the $99.00 install fee for JetStream waived before but currently it would seem Telecom are only offering the free install if you connect via XTRA? http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,203191-202534,00.html I think if I was a consumer, I would find it a little hard to use another ISP's JetStream service via Telecom's website, it seems a bit anti-competitive. Fair enough it's Telecom's network but basicly forcing the consumer to use XTRA as an ISP? Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Slasdot update: AT&T Blocking All Incoming Mail
by Jeff Williams 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

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Re: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'...
by Richard Parkinson 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

I fail to see how raising a simple and valid question of possibly "biased" operators in this list has anything to do with my integrity. Frankly, you just raised a BIG question about your own "Integrity" in simply responding with a public attack on mine, when I have a valid point, being that other issues in this list go unnoticed and unchallenged for days, unless they are matters relating to Telecom's monopolistic way of doing business, in which case we are told to discontinue the thread. In my opinion, this thread had some valid content, perhaps some not, but the request for it to be stopped came far too quickly, Telecom staff member or not. I agree with Tikiri, it's time Telecom explained a few things like why no static IP's for jetstart instead of the " because it's a residential service " routine which simply reminds me of the childish answer you get from angry parents " ....because I said so ". I also agree that there is probably no point in saying much more in here, as it would be a better waste of time to put it all in a letter to someone at the appropriate government department. -----Original Message----- From: mark.harris(a)ssc.govt.nz [mailto:mark.harris(a)ssc.govt.nz] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 1:19 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] (no subject) Richard Parkinson wrote: > > I agree with Donald, this thread doesn't seem entirely appropriate, > however I have seen less appropriate threads go on longer, and can't > help but notice the @telecom.co.nz after Donald's address. :). > I realise there's a smiley on the end of that, but sugar-coating an question to Donald's integrity says more about your own than I suspect you realise. Regards Mark Harris Moderator *.govt.nz State Services Commission PO Box 329, Wellington, NZ Tel: 64 4 495 2844 Email: moderator(a)ssc.govt.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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(no subject)
by Richard Parkinson 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

I agree with Donald, this thread doesn't seem entirely appropriate, however I have seen less appropriate threads go on longer, and can't help but notice the @telecom.co.nz after Donald's address. :). >From a technical stand point, I would like to know the technical reasons as to why Telecom cannot provide other ISP's with the same level of national connectivity that Xtra have been getting, but then this probably isn't a technical issue. More like anti-competitive and predatory market tactics. -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 12:20 p.m. To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'... Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz wrote: > People, > > As you may recall, our AUP requires that > > 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical > issues. > > This thread should, in my view, either acquire some operational or > technical content or go away. > > - Donald Neal Doesn't ISPs discussing operational issues surrounding the provision of DSL to customers count? -- Juha _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Research paper on the effects of spam
by Simon Byrnand 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Interesting reading.... http://www.pewinternet.org/reports/toc.asp?Report=102 (Click "summary of findings", whose link is too big to post in email without wrapping :) Regards, Simon

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RE: [nznog] Cloaked SPAM hosting service
by Donald Neal 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

> From: Tikiri Wicks [mailto:tcwicks(a)maxnet.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 12:59 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Cloaked SPAM hosting service > > > This one is more alarming > > Cloaked SPAM hosting via hijacked computers > It's being sold by a Polish Hacker group > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60747,00.html Nothing very new there, alas. This subject was among those discussed by Barry Ravendran Greene at the conference in July. Donald Neal | "They are not mistaken about Technical Specialist | what they want. It just Operations Engineering | conflicts with what they are Integration & Services Divn. | going to get." - [quoted Alcatel NZ Ltd | by Cathy Wittbrodt] All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] (no subject)
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Richard Parkinson wrote: > > I agree with Donald, this thread doesn't seem entirely appropriate, > however I have seen less appropriate threads go on longer, and can't > help but notice the @telecom.co.nz after Donald's address. :). > I realise there's a smiley on the end of that, but sugar-coating an question to Donald's integrity says more about your own than I suspect you realise. Regards Mark Harris Moderator *.govt.nz State Services Commission PO Box 329, Wellington, NZ Tel: 64 4 495 2844 Email: moderator(a)ssc.govt.nz

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What can I say to this
by Tikiri Wicks 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi Folks I'm just wondering if anyone has any feedback regarding this situation. I maintain a multi homed Linux router in the Seychelles Islands for the Seychelles government and the CTO of one of the ISP's wants me to use an IP of 217.161.116.143 with a netmask of 255.255.255.255 and a default gateway of 217.161.116.8. To explain it further they are running a fibre optic link to my linux router and at the other end of it they've got a cisco 2500 with an IP of 217.161.116.8. What I get is ethernet and they want me to use the IP 217.161.116.143 with a netmask of 255.255.255.255 on my linux router. I do not want to run IP unnumbered and anyway I cannot think of how anything but a CISCO can talk IP unnumbered to another CISCO. Everything I know and everything I ever learned says this is mission impossible. I am at a loss of words on what to say to this. Am I missing something here perhaps ? Can anyone think of anything to say to this. This ISP is called Atlas and their URL is http://www.seychelles.net They also happen to be the operators of the .sc ccTLD I would greatly appreciate any feedback from anyone as to what I could possibly say to these people. Then again maybe I missed something and maybe I am wrong ? Cheers Tikiri

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RE: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'...
by Donald Neal 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

People, As you may recall, our AUP requires that 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. This thread should, in my view, either acquire some operational or technical content or go away. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Parkinson [mailto:Richard(a)sigel.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 11:29 > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'... [...] > Not to mention their less than THIN excuses for not allowing ISP's to > control IP address assignment on Jetstart. Do they even still have a > reason? > > Telecom are way overdue for a big slap in the face over these issues. Donald Neal | "They are not mistaken about Technical Specialist | what they want. It just Operations Engineering | conflicts with what they are Integration & Services Divn. | going to get." - [quoted Alcatel NZ Ltd | by Cathy Wittbrodt] All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'...
by Richard Parkinson 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

More than once I have had to explain to clients that Jetstream isn't just Xtra. On one recent occasion one of my customers ordered Jetstream, and wasn't even consulted regarding their choice of ISP. They were simply given their Xtra login and password when the installer came onsite to install the jack and filter. Clearly Xtra have an unfair advantage over other ISP's when it comes to signups. Speaking of unfair advantages, I don't see any other ISP's having the ability to incorporate the monthly charges onto the Telecom phone bill? What about National traffic... Is it not true that Telecom's network routes and handles Xtra's national data way more efficiently, and that such data travels much more directly between points, as opposed to how it does for other ISP's whom have all the National data piped in on one PVC, then feed back out on another? Should other ISP's not be getting the same unbiased treatment? Not to mention their less than THIN excuses for not allowing ISP's to control IP address assignment on Jetstart. Do they even still have a reason? Telecom are way overdue for a big slap in the face over these issues. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 24 October 2003 9:52 a.m. To: Dan Clark; Juha Saarinen; David Mill Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Current Jetstream 'Deal'... At 09:26 24/10/2003 +1300, Dan Clark wrote: >my point exactly. >I did not expect to call Telecom when I shift house recently and get >asked if I am already an XTRA customer then get told they will set that >up in a jiffy, I had to explain to the operator that I had no intention >of shifting ISP's and the operator was puzzled that I wouldn't want to >go with XTRA and above all he wasn't entirely aware that other ISP's >were offering JetStream! > >Regards >Dan Same thing happened to me a year ago when I moved house and needed the phone connected up, (first phone line in my name) and the guy at the other end started asking lots of leading questions about if I was likely to use the line for internet access, how many hours I currently used a month on the intenet etc, and then proceeded to try and sell me Xtra + Jetstream, so this is nothing new. (Remember, I just rang up to get the phone hooked up) Even after clearly saying that I knew what Jetstream was and how it worked, and wasn't interested in it at this time *AND* that I worked for an ISP and therefore already had a free dialup connection anyway, he was still trying to sell me on Xtra, and explain to me what Jetstream was and why its so wonderful.... I think I had to repeat myself two or three times before he gave up....so obviously the telecom staff are instructed to put the hard sell on everyone that rings up, pretty much regardless of what you're ringing about... Regards, Simon _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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