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NZNOG 2004 - Call for Presenters
by Donald Neal 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Call for Presenters NZNOG'04 a.k.a. Big Geek Programme 04 (BGP-04) The next meeting of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is to be held in Hamilton on January 29th and 30th 2004. Our hosts are the University of Waikato's WAND Network research group. NZNOG meetings provide opportunities for the exchange of technical information and discussion of issues relating to the operation of network services, with particular emphasis on New Zealand. NZNOG invites presentations on relevant topics. Suitable topics include, but are not limited to: Operation of the DNS in New Zealand; Carrier IP network structures; Internet exchange activities; VoIP deployment; IP Routing theory or practice; Access technologies; Network management tools and practices. Presentations from researchers and from practitioners are welcomed. Presentations don't need to fit any particular fixed length. In addition to more substantiative talks we hope to include a session of very short presentations this year as a forum for floating an idea or reporting on a discovery in a less formal manner. The possibility exists that the meeting might be extended beyond two days to accommodate suitable material. Suggestions for topics for presentations or discussions are also welcome. Prospective presenters should in the first case send email to talks(a)nznog.org describing their intended presentation topic, and giving some idea of the level of detail and length of presentation which would suit them. We'd prefer to receive offers to present sooner rather than later, but the deadline is 23 November 2003, with the last acceptances to be notified not later than 30 November. Further information, as it becomes available, will be posted at: www.nznog.org Donald Neal | "Stucco - A hitherto Technical Specialist | unknown Marx brother." Operations Engineering | [Barry Cryer] Integration & Services Divn. | Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Second Level Domains Policy Review
by Steven Heath 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

I think all the members of this WG are on NZNOG. I am sure they would agree with me in saying that we welcome any and all feedback. Summary: Read background paper that we wrote at: http://dnc.org.nz/content/2ld_background.pdf And complete online form at: http://dnc.org.nz/2ldFeedback.php Or email policies(a)dnc.org.nz with your comments/ideas/thinking. Steven Heath Second Level Domains Policy Review Published at 01 Oct 2003 14:13 InternetNZ, through the Office of the Domain Name Commissioner, is reviewing the existing Second Level Domains policy (http://dnc.org.nz/content/second_level_domains.pdf). A Working Group was established by the .nz Oversight Committee earlier this year to conduct the review. The Working Group is seeking public input to assist in developing a revised draft policy, which will also be subject to public consultation. The current Second Level Domains policy deals with three critical areas: the structure of the existing Second Level Domains, the moderation of Second Level Domains, and the process for establishing new Second Level Domains. Debate so far in the Working Group has identified two major areas for reform: Whether the process for creating new second level domains should be modified and whether that modification should simplify the process. The existing process lacks adequate criteria for decisions about the addition of new Second Level domains and has generated concern in the past. Whether there should be direct public registrations allowed at the second level in the .nz space. This has a number of implications which need to be considered around dealing with the existing second level domains after any change; dealing with conflicts between existing third level registrants if the second level is opened and others. In addition to these two key areas, the Working Group is seeking feedback on the existing Second Level Domains and their ongoing relevance, and would also like to receive comments and suggestions about any other aspect of the existing policy. To assist with this consultation a background paper has been produced. This outlines the current policy, expands on the issues for consideration and poses some more specific questions for consideration. It is available at: http://dnc.org.nz/content/2ld_background.pdf Public comment, on the specific issues identified above and in the accompanying background paper - or any other issues relating to the Second Level Domains policy - is sought by Monday 10 November 2003. To assist with the feedback process, you can use an online feedback form. The questions in the form are those presented in the background paper. The form is available at: http://dnc.org.nz/2ldFeedback.php InternetNZ also maintains a public email list for discussion of the review. To subscribe, send a blank email to nz-review-subscribe(a)internetnz.net.nz. Please email comments to policies(a)dnc.org.nz, fax them to +64 4 495 2115, or post them to the Office of the Domain Name Commissioner, PO Box 11-881, Wellington. NB: Notice of all comments will be published on this page, as they are received. Comments will be published on the site in PDF format. Confidential comments can be made on application; people wishing to make a confidential comment should forward a request with reasons to the submission address above. ----- End forwarded message ----- Steven Heath .nz news & views www.nznews.org.nz

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Crimes Amendment Act 2003
by david＠farrar.com 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Nznogers may want to note that as of today (1st October) the Crimes Amendment Act 2003 (previously the Crimes Amendment Bill no 6) came into force. This Act, amending the 1961 Crimes Act, may potentially affect many internet users and providers (esp the unauthorised access provisions). It has been commonly known as the anti-hacking bill. InternetNZ in July prepared a brief paper on aspects of the Act which may affect internet users and providers. The paper is at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/public/committee-reports/ctte-legal-and-regula… or http://tinyurl.com/g9vj The revised Crimes Act is not yet online but I have the key clauses in electronic format if anyone would like a copy. DPF

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. A face-to-face gathering is to take place in Hamilton on January 29 and 30 next year, hosted by the WAND group. Suggestions for content you'd like to see are welcome, and a Call for Presenters should be issued shortly. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 530 addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Alcatel NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message was blocked]
by Frank March 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

This IS an interesting, if somewhat prolonged, discussion and, needless to say perhaps, I agree with Donald that spam filtering is an operational issue of relevance to this list. But it is also a policy issue of interest to the NZ Government, which is what my job is about. To say that I can change my job as suggested by Joe (clearly I can and maybe in the fullnss of time I will, but that IS irrelevant) somewhat misses the point of why I am on this list... it is because of my *present* job that I think it important. There are many issues of possible government policy relevance that emerge on this list in different ways, spam is just one. Which irony has been pointed out to those who dictate the operational policy for this Ministry. Unfortunately, they do not subscribe to NZNOG as far as I can determine. -- Frank March Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908 Senior Specialist Advisor Fax (+64 4) 474 2659 Information Technology Policy Group Mobile: (+64) 21 042 9205 Ministry of Economic Development, Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 10:11 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message was blocked] > From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 09:21 > To: Joe Abley; Russell Fulton > Cc: nznog > Subject: Re: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message > was blocked] > >> >He also has the option of finding a new job, if the policies of his > >employer don't suit him. > > C'mon people (not just Joe) this thread is now getting *way* > off topic, > (I'm surprised Donald hasn't stepped in yet) although > admitedly my original > message was somewhat off topic as well. This is a list for network operators, which doesn't just mean telcos and ISP's. My view is that discussion of spam filtering is appropriate. Granted, by the time we get onto what employees should be allowed to do we may indeed have wandered a bit. http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message was blocked]
by Donald Neal 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

> From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 09:21 > To: Joe Abley; Russell Fulton > Cc: nznog > Subject: Re: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message > was blocked] > > > At 13:48 28/09/2003 -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > >On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 14:59 Canada/Eastern, Russell > Fulton wrote: > > > >>However, some employers also have policies that forbid access to > >>alternate mail sources (hotmail & ISP accounts) for > legitimate reasons. > >>This leaves some one like Frank having to follow work > related lists that > >>run foul of the corporate filter in their own time from home. > > > >He also has the option of finding a new job, if the policies of his > >employer don't suit him. > > C'mon people (not just Joe) this thread is now getting *way* > off topic, > (I'm surprised Donald hasn't stepped in yet) although > admitedly my original > message was somewhat off topic as well. This is a list for network operators, which doesn't just mean telcos and ISP's. My view is that discussion of spam filtering is appropriate. Granted, by the time we get onto what employees should be allowed to do we may indeed have wandered a bit. Donald Neal | "And if you think virus Technical Specialist | writers are scary, you Operations Engineering | have clearly never met a Integration & Services Divn. | tort lawyer." Alcatel NZ Ltd | - The Economist 28/8/03 All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message was blocked]
by Frank March 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

Apologies for not getting onto this yesterday as I was involved in a meeting offsite all day. This Ministry uses MailMarshall. I am not responsible for the way it is set up and I have complained frequently about the type of email that gets blocked by it. In the past, it has blocked, inter alia, the monthly messages outlining this list's AUP and other matters from the redoubtable Donald Neal. Given Donald's care with language and his email courtesy the mind fairly boggles at the thought. On average Mailmarshal as configured here seems to catch 50% of genuine spam 'aimed' at me (but is getting better) and about 25% of the blocking messages are false positives (despite recent problems with this list, I think this might also be improving incrementally). Nevertheless, personally, I would much rather have the spam. The record with virus filtering is, however, exemplary. Although I seldom post to this list (and when I do it is arguably off-topic on occasions), and most of the traffic is of marginal direct interest to me, I do find this list useful as a gauge of the temperature and general health of the Net in NZ which is immensely valuable for my job. However, if the problem persists, and complaints persist, I will remove myself from the list. I would regard this as being a very unfortunate outcome. And, by the way, and anticipating a message later in the thread from Juha, I dont ever recall his swearing at me (about me perhaps....) -- Frank March Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908 Senior Specialist Advisor Fax (+64 4) 474 2659 Information Technology Policy Group Mobile: (+64) 21 042 9205 Ministry of Economic Development, Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 23:17 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Argghhh.... [Fwd: Your e-mail message was blocked] Sigh... Could the owner of this charming little content filter please see if it has an option to NOT reply to messages that aren't specifically addressed to the recipient. (EG messages comming in through mailing lists etc) Or perhaps consider subscribing via another address that isn't filtered. It gets a little tiring to have every second message I send to this list get a bounce from an overactive content filter because it might have "bad words" in it or in this case might be a "hoax and/or chain letter"..... (Huh ??? What in my message looks like a hoax ?) Regards, Simon ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Your e-mail message was blocked From: Actionline(a)med.govt.nz Date: Wed, September 24, 2003 11:09 pm To: simon(a)igrin.co.nz Cc: Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MailMarshal (an automated content monitoring gateway) has stopped the following e-mail as it is likely to be a Hoax and/or Chain Letter. Message: B00013c776.00000001.mml From: simon(a)igrin.co.nz To: Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] SPAM (Fw: PLEASE ASSIST) If you believe the above e-mail to be business related please contact Actionline(a)med.govt.nz to arrange for the message to be released to its intended recipients. The blocked e-mail will be automatically deleted after 30 days. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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Re: [nznog] New Team Cymru IP2ASN whois server
by Simon Lyall 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

A similar thing that people might like is the recent new service from routeviews.org. They have a little route server to DNS gateway so you can do things like: $ host -t txt 252.109.203.asn.routeviews.org 252.109.203.asn.routeviews.org text "7657" "203.109.252.0" "22" $ host -t txt 252.109.203.aspath.routeviews.org 252.109.203.aspath.routeviews.org text "2914 4565 7657 7657 7657" "203.109.252.0" "22" $ host -t txt 132.92.96.203.asn.routeviews.org 132.92.96.203.asn.routeviews.org text "4648" "203.96.64.0" "19" $ host -t txt 132.92.96.203.aspath.routeviews.org 132.92.96.203.aspath.routeviews.org text "2914 1239 4648" "203.96.64.0" "19" Very cool imho. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofs of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate. All these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain. Time for my nap. -- Julie Andrews, Bladestroller ( by Peter da Silva )

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New Team Cymru IP2ASN whois server
by Rob Thomas 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

Fellow networkers, Team Cymru is happy to announce the availability of a public whois server dedicated to mapping IP numbers to ASNs, located at whois.cymru.com. You can find the link to this tool at: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/whois.html This link has been added to our main BGP data page available at: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/index.html We have also extended the functionality of this daemon to support BULK IP submissions for those who wish to further optimize their queries with netcat. Following is a quick overview of how to use it: $ whois -h whois.cymru.com <IP> Where <IP> is replaced by the IP you'd like to map, like so: $ whois -h whois.cymru.com 4.2.2.1 ASN | IP | Name 3356 | 4.2.2.1 | LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications You can also include port information, and/or timestamps in your queries. Be sure to include quotes around your queries, or the daemon will interpret your request as multiple lines: $ whois -h whois.cymru.com "4.2.2.1 -0600 GMT" ASN | IP | Info | Name 3356 | 4.2.2.1 | -0600 GMT | LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications For instructions on how to submit BULK queries via netcat, simply issue the following command: $ whois -h whois.cymru.com help We hope you find this tool useful. Stay tuned for more features! If you have any comments or suggestions as to how we might improve this service, feel free to let us know! Thanks, Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Re: [nznog] MS viruses
by Ewen McNeill 25 Sep '03

25 Sep '03

In message <006c01c383e5$51ffe4a0$6403c80a(a)uranus.clear.co.nz>, "Barry Murphy" writes: >Hmm, I just had one of the MS update viruses slip through, how many >variants of this are there? 1Kb file ;/ I've seen several copies of Swen which have come through in "neutered" form, with the executable atachment either completely missing, or the MIME headers there for it but no encoded body, or a very short encoded body. (The only reason they're getting through is because of that: I'm filtering on the executable's MIME encoding, amongst other things.) As far as I can tell they're not varients so much as the email having been through some sort of (transparent?) email filter which stripped off the executable attachement. One of my clients had a bit of a panic over one of those "neutered" versions getting in (with a 78 byte attachement instead of the executable), but it all turned out to be harmless. That said, they were planning on adding more filter rules, just to avoid confused users (and the resulting flood of calls into the helpdesk). Of course I suspect there'll be a few more copycats before the year is out. Ewen

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