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RE: [nznog] IPv6
by Chris Hellberg 15 Jul '03

15 Jul '03

when I was running the v6ix in Wellington I was running EBGP sessions with most people who had connections; seemed to work well when I had a bunch of open-souce software mirrors which were v6-accessible and people had routes that went straight to the IX. There was also tunnel to the 6bone at Merit, for those who wanted to have a nosey at the 6bone routing table, although there were some 2000::/24 prefixes on the 6bone. I've talked to Si at Citylink about getting a PI peering block for WIX and APE, but it wasn't a huge priority. I used addresses from a freenet allocation and carved up a /64 in to a bunch of /126s and used them as point-to-point links. Not the best solution in the world, but worked for the purpose. -----Original Message----- From: perry(a)deeper.co.nz [mailto:perry(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2003 21:43 To: Joe Abley Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > You can't plumb tunnels right now, today? Or is the problem that > there's just no local place to plumb a tunnel to? > > (see http://ipv6tb.he.net/ for a tunnel broker run by clueful people in > the US). ahh, but tunnels to the US mean that you have the irritating problem that pinging someone on the same ISP as you can give you up to 3,000ms of latency as it transits from here to the US and back again. You have issues when they are overloaded, or down. You have issues if the internet between here and there decides that packets should be routed via darkest peru. IPv6 was designed to work in the situation where you have to bridge large IPv4 clouds. A much better solution for people in New Zealand is to use 6to4 addressing, especially if you're on the end of ADSL or similar and don't have native transport. 6to4 addressing means that whatever device(s) have non-RFC1918 IPv4 addresses can have a /48 assigned to them. 2003:<high two octets of IPv4 address>:<low two octets of IPv4 address>::/48. To route to another 2002::/16 address over IPv4 you just take the packet, encapsulate it in IPv4, and send it to the embedded IPv4 address. Linux and FreeBSD both support this. Latency to other 6to4 addresses is about the same as IPv4, avoiding the entire US round trip. To talk from a 6to4 address to a non-6to4 IPv6 address you route via ::192.88.99.1 which is an AnyCast address. Unfortunately, last time I looked the nearest 192.88.99.1 AnyCast announcement appeared to be in Germany. Is there any chance of someone putting forward 6to4 anycast gateway in the APE and/or the WIX? Of course the problem here is that probably 50% of it's traffic will be international. In an unrelated note, the MetaNet has been used by several people in NZ who are interested in playing around with more interesting networks without breaking things that people pay to use. We use it for peering IPv6 without having to go via the US and we'd be interested in organising IPv6 tunnels with like minded people (either using wand, gre, or 6in4 tunnels) Unfortunately the MetaNet wouldn't handle multicast very well (or we'd be having a good tinker with it) Resources: * http://www.wlug.org.nz/DancingPenguin (A IPv6 enabled website in New Zealand which is useful for testing with) * http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6LessonsLearnt (For some random things we've discovered about IPv6 the hard way, so you don't have to) * http://www.wlug.org.nz/6to4 (Information about 6to4 under Linux) * http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6 (Information about IPv6 on the wiki) * http://www.nevada.net.nz/~pmurray/6to4.html (6to4 under FreeBSD) If you want to chat about it, we're usually hanging around in #wlug on Undernet. irc://undernet/%23wlug - -- <f00Dave> Look, rejects, this is #OpenGL, not #GEEKSEX. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE/FQ0TcAgRpy8z8UQRAhadAJ4gAGn+YRABqt6A7X58K73hBQPNugCgy3ie 05qO9xRxAXyaG1K5EElVfAY= =+lkH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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dns and routing slides
by Joe Abley 15 Jul '03

15 Jul '03

The DNS slides I used to talk about DNS, TSIG, DNSSEC and reverse DNS can be found here: http://www.isc.org/misc/nznog/01-Introduction.ppt http://www.isc.org/misc/nznog/06-Reverse.ppt http://www.isc.org/misc/nznog/07-dnssec.ppt The cisco slides I occasionally referred to whilst waving my hands about BGP can be found here: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/pfs/isp-workshops/studentcd-2003a/ Workshop_Materials The whiteboard scribblings and frequent rambling tangents were fortunately not recorded for posterity, but an air ticket and a nominal amount of beer can easily secure a repeat performance :) Joe

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Test
by Tim John 15 Jul '03

15 Jul '03

This is a test. Please ignore .... Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Live Webcast - Meet instructors of Certificate In Web-based Instruction offered by Simon Fraser University
by Abigail 15 Jul '03

15 Jul '03

On July 30th at 1100 hrs Pacific Time (GMT 08:00) there will be a Webcast featuring the instructors of the Certificate in Web-Based Instruction (CWI). Participants of the Webcast can interact with the instructors and ask questions about this program. The CWI program gives you the tools and knowledge necessary to design, develop and deliver web-based courses or add online components to classroom teachings. If you are unable to make it to this live presentation at the above date then you can attend one of the following alternative dates: Wednesday, August 20 at 1100 hrs Pacific Time (GMT 8:00) or Wednesday, September 3 at 1100 hrs Pacific Time (GMT 8:00). Please register to participate in the live Webcast by visiting http://www.sfu.ca/lidc/telestraining. Abby Dy Communications Specialist Certificate in Web-Based Instruction Tel: 604-806-5156 ady(a)sfu.ca

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RE: [nznog] Anyone thinking about WiMAX?
by Matthew G Brown 12 Jul '03

12 Jul '03

New Zealand regulatory bodies are trying to put us more in line with the US FCC standards. So I should not see to much of a problem,. 5.8 & 5.3ghz are virtually self managed by users as it is. I have several cases at the moment of other people using the Uncertified and darn right HORRIBLE! 2.4/5.8 Up.Down converters in areas turning the spectrum in to "Flip the coin for a channel" . But it's a matter if people been sensible and maybe we can take some more control over our own spectrum. Some where I have papers outlinig this, Off list of anyone wants Helen Clarkes peoples dribble on the matter. Best Regards Matthew G Brown Managing Director B & R Holdings LIMITED Nelson, New Zealand Ph: 027 4807731 Http://www.brh.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Friday, 11 July 2003 9:38 a.m. To: Matthew G Brown Subject: RE: [nznog] Anyone thinking about WiMAX? On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Matthew G Brown wrote: > We had a meeting on this at CeBit Sydney. I was not aware that the > IEEE had ratified the standard at the time. There is plenty of talk > about it in isp-wireless news groups over the last few months. Proxim > and Alvarion are defiantly working on 802.16 at the moment. > > The issue lies with me that if your not after the QOS and control > features then why not just go buy Redline off the shelf, $20,000 for > 55mb over 40 miles is cheap buying. > > Im going to keep following this standard for the fact it can be > developed over a combination of frequencies. Ideally 3.5ghz .... FYI > people considering 3.5ghz should keep in Mind that Alvarion ( Formally > Breezecom ) have been producing 3.5ghz equipment for there local > market for 10 years. Infact the BAII & BreezeAcess series are all > avail at 3.5ghz. Good news for Rural Broadband people > > </rant, less coffee> More coffee... it's morning. Although the 802.16a stuff is pricey at the moment (they're talking US$1,000 for customer "modems") it could be very interesting for providers looking to bypass the local loop stranglehold. Not just for the rurals, in other words. Here's hoping someone else than Walkers will try to deploy in Auckland. I wonder if there are any radio frequency spectrum issues here though? Redline's AN-50 looks like it delivers the same performance -- 72Mbps, up to 80km range... only 49Mbps "at the Ethernet level" though. -- Juha Saarinen

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NetForum 2003
by Tim John 12 Jul '03

12 Jul '03

Hi Roger, Just a quick word of thanks for a most enjoyable couple of days in Auckland during the NetForum conference. Please pass on my thanks to Sue and all the others who worked hard to make it happen this year. I would also like to thank all those who contributed their time by giving presentations during the Thursday and Friday I was there. I didn't catch all the presentations, but the ones I did see were great. BTW, on the flight back to Wellington, I attempted to get into the cockpit and show the pilot what I had learned from the Flight Sim. presentation, but was promptly refused :) Thanks again, Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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ISC F root nameserver node live at APE
by Joe Abley 11 Jul '03

11 Jul '03

APE Peering People, Internet Software Consortium has a node of the F root nameserver at the APE in Auckland. Networks connected to the APE can gain access to this node by peering with it across the exchange, as follows: APE addresses: 192.203.154.98, 192.203.154.99 AS number: 23710 NOC phone: +1 650 423 1310 INOC DBA: 3557 NOC e-mail: noc(a)isc.org The APE path to F will also be available through the APE route servers. Networks peering locally with F gain lower transport latency and increased path diversity to the F root nameserver, which helps make the DNS as a whole more reliable. ISC operates an open peering policy. To set up a session please send e-mail to peering(a)isc.org. The F root nameserver node in Auckland advertises the single prefix 192.5.5.0/24 to peers which covers the address of f.root-servers.net. For further details of the general routing policy for F, together with a summary of remote F-root nodes deployed at other exchange points, see: http://www.isc.org/peering/ A representation of the policy for the F-Root node in Auckland is present in the IRR. The Auckland F root nameserver node was made possible by Juniper Networks, TelstraClear, FX Networks and 2day.com. Joe

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usenet.net.nz offline.
by Simon Lyall 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

Just a quick FYI but usenet.net.nz is currently offline due to dodgy hardware, this means that the noc contact list, ape website and my looking glass (onlong with random other stuff) is offline. I'll kick the box tomorrow and I have a replacement machine ready, hopefully I'll have a chance to config it up in the next couple of days. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Anyone thinking about WiMAX?
by Juha Saarinen 09 Jul '03

09 Jul '03

www.wimaxforum.org Roundabout 50km reach, with 70Mbps max rate. -- Juha Saarinen

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legal threats from DE Technologies re web commerce
by Robert Hunt 09 Jul '03

09 Jul '03

James & Wells NZ Barristers and Solicitors (http://www.jaws.co.nz) are acting for DE Technologies ( http://www.detechnologies.com ) DE Technologies are described at http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/GAMArticleHTMLTemplate?tf=globetechn… as "a tiny company in Montreal" and the patent as "a computer implemented process for carrying out an international commercial transaction." I hope this is not seen as off topic. I am at a loss to say whether this is an absurdity or a significant worry, but my firm has recently received a legal fax from James & Wells claiming we are infringing DE Technologies recently acquired NZ Patent. In what looks like a mass produced demand they appear to require that we "discuss" obtaining a license for three years for US $25,000 plus 1.15% of our and our customers' transactions, if we wish to continue hosting web sites that take international orders. The NZ version of the patent was obtained earlier this year. Curiously the target of their attention happens to be a website of ours that does not do actual orders itself but is just a portal, hence my guess that this is part of an broad initial salvo in an attempt to create the "pay up and avoid litigation" response. I want to make contact with other operations who have received a license and royalty demand under NZ Patent 505284 for large sums of money if they wish to continue using basic international web shopping practices. We can probably deflect the particular letter we have received, however if the barristers involved are keen to search out sites that do have some chance of coming under the patent then they should find a virtual cornucopia, as they traverse the sites of your customers and ours. Supposing they succeed in upholding their patent then their requirements would claim a significant percentage of overheads of net traders looking to continue having international ordering/transaction capabilities. Obviously I am sorely disappointed that the NZ Patent Office is granting patents of this kind, and am reviewing both political and legal options for raising this issue in the public eye. Alongside Microsoft's moves to patent .Net APIs we are of course, seeing some serious challenges to developer freedoms, and end user's integration choices, if the arena of intellectual patents is not balanced with concern for open standards in at least some of the world. Well that is off topic now I am sure... I am happy to set up a list for discussing this issue if anyone else is interested, let me know or point me to a pre-existing nz list on this matter. Oh and I'll let you know when I have a patent on the process of running an online charity auction to save ISPs sued by patent attorney's.. :) regards Robert -- Robert Hunt phone +64-3-3645888 Managing Director fax +64-3-3645828 Plain Communications roberth(a)plain.co.nz

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