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Net4U Thread
by Donald Neal 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

The current (or immediately past?) thread dealing with Net4U contains some postings which are clearly within this list's acceptable use policy, and some which are not. In brief, postings which discuss operational or technical issues - and an ISP using spam to advertise does look to me like one of those - are in. Postings containing "character assassination or lack of respect for other participants" are out. Whether they cause deformation or not. For myself, I'd like to see no further additions to the thread unless they come from people who have something new and relevant to say. - Donald Neal ex cathedra, or something Donald Neal | Doctor: Did you see what I didn't see? Technical Specialist | Romana: No. Operations Engineering| Doctor: Nor did I. Alcatel NZ Ltd | - Douglas Adams, Shada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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WTB: APE bandwidth
by Michael Hallager 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

Hello all, Could ISP's that have connections to the APE please contact me with their prices for bandwidth to equipment located at APE. Kind regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Networkstuff Limited http://www.networkstuff.co.nz michael @ networkstuff.co.nz

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Re: [nznog] APE Peering
by - 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

Sahil said to me, as well as publically on the site that the "auditor's" report would be made available publically on the website. After a number of months I saw him again, and casually asked, whats up with that auditor's report, and he shrugged it off, as if to say "that was a joke". Secondly Sahil obviously did know about it, so shrugging it off as his staff's fault is amusing in the least

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RE: [nznog] APE Peering
by Chris O'Donoghue 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

Well perhaps you should work on your management a bit more. It took all of about 5 seconds to convince me that this was worthwhile for my sysadmins to attend. But then again maybe I'm biased, cos I went last year. Chris Chris O'Donoghue Technology Manager Online & Digital TVNZ -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Brooking [mailto:jeremy(a)morenet.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 4 July 2003 1:01 p.m. To: Simon Lyall Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering Simon Lyall wrote: ><grump> >By which I assume you make less than $20,000 per year and live in central >Auckland. Seriously it's $250 per day, if you go on two days thats $500 >bucks. $20/per weeek if you started saving at the start of the year when >this was first mentioned (and I think I told people to start saving). > >If you present you get that day free. If you talk your work into a 5% >training budget then it'll cover it. > >Exactly what sort of pricing could you afford? I remmeber the little ISP >forum that Internetnz had a couple of years back, that was $50 per day and >nobody much attended. ></grump> > > Perhaps my _insane_ comment was a bit of an overstatement. First post I saw regarding it was 9th of 3rd. So that would make it about $50 a week. And of course, we all have $50 spare a week dont we? _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ================================================================ CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is intended to be read only by the named recipient(s). It may contain information that is confidential, proprietary or the subject of legal privilege. This information is not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. Do not use any information contained in it. ================================================================ For more information on nzoom.com, visit us online at http://www.nzoom.com ================================================================

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Netforum - I'm in !
by Tim John 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

> On another note, Whos going to Netforum? > A quick survey of Auckland Thursday Night Curry attendees didn't look too > promising.. Chris and I from Domainz are coming up for the Thursday and Friday. We'll be the ones hiding in the shadows :) We're looking forward to Joe's presentation ... and of course the curry on Thursday ! Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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19" Cases.....
by Roger De Salis 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

I have built two self assembly 19" cases, simply designed to be a simple as possible, and extremely low cost. Unit One, 2.5RU (ie the same height as a standard PCI card.) 450mm deep. Accepts standard power supply, any ATX board (full, mini, micro). Combos are Std CDROM + Floppy + 6 drives OR up to 10 disk drives without CDROM/Floppy Assembly. No risers. One case fan (included). Unit Two, Same Height as standard ATX power supply 90mm, 2RU, 275mm deep. Accepts micro ATX board only. Accepts Standard ATX power supply. Accepts laptop 1/3high floppy and CDROM (which I can supply if required) $169 for CD, $79 for floppy. Accepts 1/2 high PCI Cards only. No risers Unit Two currently supports 1 x 3.5" DD and 3 x 2.5"DD. Production version will likely be modded to accept 2 x 3.5"DD and 2 x 2.5" DD ========================================================== Removable 19" Rack wings on both. Mounting combinations are: Flush front, recess 50mm, centre pillar mount, or reverse mount, and 50mm recessed reversed. The intention is to place a full shelf underneath the base unit, then I would not have any qualms about 4-5 racked up on top of each other. There is currently no provision for slides, but if someone was desperate..... Henry Ford Colour scheme. NZ$260+GST complete with PSU, wiring assembly pwr/hdd assy, screws. Netforum Special NZ$230+GST. I'll have three units on show at the Waipuna next week if someone wants to look/dicuss. The second small unit was intended to complement Cisco 2600 in a rack, but also be the right size for home stereo with silent PSU and 2.5"DDs, so if you want to buy your own power supply, knock $35 off the price. Further discounts for quantity (ie 4up.) If you want to buy just the metalwork, and make up your own, happy to oblige... Basically I run them as telephone controllers, log servers etc etc, with a Duron 1300, MSI 6787 board with LAN on-board, single drive and CD for approx $700, rack mounted with a 2 year warranty on everything. About 14 day delivery. I'll include a couple of JPEG's later this morning. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` Bentley win Le Mans! - What next, English win cricket in Aus?

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Net4U's earlier actions
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Hi, Firstly, I'd like to apologise for actions made earlier during the day with respect to a mailout to a certain group of ISP's. I wasnt thinking clearly when I thought to add a few more addresses to the mailout to existing contacts. My bad, wont be repeated. As Richard has suggested, if anyone has any concerns or issues that need addressing, please contact us off-list. Just for those that were concerned, issues with abuse(a)net4u.co.nz have now been resolved. Once again, my apologies for the drama here in NZNOG. Regards, Sahil Gupta Senior Account Manager NET4U LIMITED Phone: 0508-263-848 Fax: 07-8582659 Mobile: 029-366-6375

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RE: [nznog] APE Peering
by Richard Parkinson 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

You have some valid points here. The whole thing is quite disappointing, and for many, quite frustrating. This abuse(a)net4u is also becoming a sore point, and clearly there has been an issue with this address. I can only chase up as much as was passed on to me. There are a number of other recommended tasks which were to be carried out but have not :( Please contact me off-list with more details, and I will be happy to deal with things. As I said, I'm sill helping Net4U (Unpaid I might add) here and there when I am not involved with my regular clients. If anyone else is reading this and has ANY issues with Net4U that have been ignored, please feel free to contact me off-list or directly on 021409987, and I will to my best to deal with things. This is not the place for this nonsense, so lets get all this off-list, contact me, and lets get everyone happy. If no one has any other abuse they want to throw this way, perhaps we can move back to other interesting threads such as Multicast which I enjoyed following? How about why ISP's should/shouldn't be able to control assignment of IP addresses on ADSL Starter? Anyone have any views on this? Cheers, Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Howes [mailto:mish(a)doomx.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 6:49 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering I think we should all take a good look at ourselves, and the motivation behind the pettiness that from time to time, makes me wonder just how many children play on this list, and how many people are here to get work/business done. Lets just get on with our work please everyone. Each time the topic of Net4u has come up I've resisted posting as previously the entire situation was already at boiling point, but suggesting people are here to play when they're obviously just frustrated by actions that they see as detremental and disrespectful to other New Zealand Network Operators really rubs me the wrong way. Net4u does seem to be operating in a more legal fashion than before but they're still not admin friendly by any stretch of the imagination. I've received spam from net4u customers to domains I previously managed, I contacted Net4u to advise them of this ( abuse(a)net4u.co.nz) but have never received any response. I was also informed of a 'hole' in their security through which anyone can log into the net4u network and gain free ADSL service by use of an 'admin' account, I emailed the administrator of net4u to advise of this but despite sending two emails I never received a response and (I just tested) the hole still seems to be wide open. I'm glad you see the spam from Net4u as a bad thing as even though the operators of Net4u are (reasonably) new to the game, in this 'net enabled' age even the newest player has no excuse for thinking that unsolicited commercial email to a soa address is a good idea, the same goes for their previous dubious actions. You can feel free to view comments like these as 'pettiness' but I for one am glad to be informed of the actions (or inaction) of New Zealand ISPs even if the observations are at times coloured by external factors. -- Regards, Dave Howes.

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LOL - Tis so odd.....
by Michael Hallager 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Richard's entire post looks clearly like a Sahil marketing effort: COPY We have made a brief report which is not for public viewing, but which has identified a small number of issues on the Net4U network (which were quickly rectified) that were as a result of previous employees. We found nothing that was causing deliberate loss of bandwidth to any other party. We did not fully complete the work due to budget restraints, however we did cover most of the important aspects. Some of our recommendations have been implemented, and sadly others have not been done, but Net4U are operating somewhat better than they were. /COPY YEAH RIGHT. We all have the MP3 of Sahil BOASTING about taking bandwidth. How do you reconcile that with your above claim? I think we would all like the answer. Sahil also ropes his friends into fronting for him, including doing the following actions, both people have admitted that Sahil got them to contact me: 1) Sending me an abusive email 2) Contacting me to rent several thousand dollars worth of equipment that I would never loan to Sahil. COPY > I can assure you the bandwidth offered by Net4U in that "distributed" > email is legitimate, and I should warn you that continued accusations > and alligations are a direct attack against me and my company, which > left Net4U operating legally and above board, and there is no > justification for this blatant deformation. /COPY Don't like the heat, get out of the fire. You knew full well what you were getting into when you associated yourself with Net4u by doing this contracting job. COPY It doesn't take much for everyone to see that some of you are making an issue simply because it's Sahil and Net4U, and because you were a reject at school who was picked on and bullied, and now have a psychological disorder resulting in you playing out the role of your boyhood deamon from school, dishing out what you received. /COPY OK, whatever. I have a small **** or a demon or whatever (This is starting to sound like whacky religious stuff). How did you KNOW??? Michael Hallager Managing Director Networkstuff / Comsolve

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RE: [nznog] APE Peering
by Richard Parkinson 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Thanks Dan. There are one or two ISP's and their administrators out there that have been VERY generous, sympathetic and helpful towards Sahil & Net4U and yet more who have been giving Net4U advise, and telling him off when needed :). As I say, Net4U are "growing up" slowly, but like me, are bound to make mistakes along the way. I enjoy helping others where help is needed, but sometimes this pisses other people off, especially those that don't think that particular person or business deserves to be helped or to get ahead, and I'm not just talking about Net4U. Anyway, rest assured, he has just had a verbal assault from me for yet again, not thinking carefully and using common sense before acting. ie sending Spam etc Thanks for your patience and understanding everyone. He wont be doing that again. :) Cheers, Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 4:04 p.m. To: Richard Parkinson; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering I have to agree with Richard here, the problem is the young man who set this particular ISP up has historicly been ignorant as to some of the ethical rules and unwritten policy's of the internet community. We all make mistakes and maybe he just needs a little guidance and support from fellow ISP's who, will no doubt have started from penny's in the early days themselves. Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard <mailto:Richard(a)sigel.co.nz> Parkinson To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] APE Peering We have made a brief report which is not for public viewing, but which has identified a small number of issues on the Net4U network (which were quickly rectified) that were as a result of previous employees. We found nothing that was causing deliberate loss of bandwidth to any other party. We did not fully complete the work due to budget restraints, however we did cover most of the important aspects. Some of our recommendations have been implemented, and sadly others have not been done, but Net4U are operating somewhat better than they were. We no longer oversee the operation of Net4U, but have kept in touch with them, and assist with other matters both business related and technical, and feel Net4U & Sahil are slowly "growing up" so to speak, but I expect mystiques will still be made from time to time. None of us are perfect. I can assure you the bandwidth offered by Net4U in that "distributed" email is legitimate, and I should warn you that continued accusations and alligations are a direct attack against me and my company, which left Net4U operating legally and above board, and there is no justification for this blatant deformation. I must say that I also disagree with the method of advertising chosen. Had I been consulted I would have recommended against it, but in saying that, I welcome email in my inbox that relates directly to my line of business and would rather receive such email as opposed to the ones about increasing the size of certain body parts or some other "amazing offer" which we see all to often of late, depending on how good your mail filters are. It doesn't take much for everyone to see that some of you are making an issue simply because it's Sahil and Net4U, and because you were a reject at school who was picked on and bullied, and now have a psychological disorder resulting in you playing out the role of your boyhood deamon from school, dishing out what you received. Without naming anyone, I would also like to point out that there are those of you on this list making such accusations who are the last people to do so, or should we raise the matter of a VAST amount of bandwidth stolen from Telecom for a number of months, by a much larger ISP than Net4U, who even taught another ISP's network administrator how to do it only days before Telecom figured it all out... or perhaps I could send the list a copy of some forged court documents? To these few people I say, I suggest you stop stirring the pot and leave the past alone, or you will get more than just a little of it on you. I think we should all take a good look at ourselves, and the motivation behind the pettiness that from time to time, makes me wonder just how many children play on this list, and how many people are here to get work/business done. Lets just get on with our work please everyone. Cheers, Richard Parkinson (Director) Sigel Data Systems Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 2:13 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; Steve Phillips Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering If anyone had forgotten, where is the "Report" from Sigel Systems about Net4u's runnings over the last 3 months. I believe the impartial 3rd party was hired as one of net4u's staff a very short while after (so couldn't be impartial) Thanks Craig > >> >[snippage] > > > We can deliver using several methods as I've outlined above and can also > > > take care of transporting your existing I.P. Address ranges supplied to > > > you by your current provider to us. > > That would be a neat trick. Almost worth taking him up on that just to > watch him fail dismally. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _____ _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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