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Appreciation !
by Tim John 11 Aug '02

11 Aug '02

Hi Lin, Thank you for those words of reason; they are like a ray of light through the shadows. The DRS and all that went on at it's launch was before my time. I inherited the system when I started about 15 months ago and I believe we've made some good changes since then to make the system more reliable and hopefully a little better to work with. As we will be the 'stabilising registrar' under the SRS, Domainz have had to do some significant work to meet the needs of a shared environment. We will be introducing a new finance application in the next few weeks that will enable a large chunk of the existing system to be removed, thus giving an improvement in performance to what's left of the DRS. In my personal view, Domainz are in a 'strange' place at the moment. We are paying for the registry part of the existing system to be rebuilt and separated from us. We will be the guinea-pigs for the new environment and we are under the constant threat from our shareholders who are considering closing Domainz down. Quite frankly, it seems a lose/lose situation for us and which-ever way you look, we are bound to get a slamming once again. It's not a favourable spot for a Domainz (or any other) employee to be in ! Aside from the past, present and future politics of Domainz <groan>, I have made it my responsibility to try and provide the best system we can to our customers. I don't - to quote - 'hate the DRS', but I can assure you that I get as frustrated as everybody else from time to time. The DRS is all we've got at the moment, so we've got to try and make the most of it. If I hear of issues that could effect a wide audience of users, I want to get them fixed as soon as possible - as any IT Professional would. I appreciate that a lot of people have been burned in the past with the DRS and there is a lot of resentment out there (cue Peter M. :>) for both the system and some of the people involved in setting it up. My colleague Chris and I (IT Dept.) are simply trying to provide a level of service that is as good as possible given the tools we've got. Again, in my personal opinion, I am looking forward to the SRS and hope that Domainz can take on a commercial role in the future; I'd love to be involved in the next saga of the Company. There are some good people here who are passionate about their jobs, even under the continuing negativity of the DRS. Thanks again, Lin. My final point is that I enjoy working 'with' people and certainly not 'against' them. It's just not my style. Cheers, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2002 11:49 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: DNS problems HI all While at the SRS information meeting the day before the nznog conference, I noticed the something that I am observing now. I am myself guilty of it. The negative opinion and suspicion we have of Domainz and their intentions is still there. I am not surprised by it. I myself (at the meeting) were asking questions to ensure the same thing didn't occur again. However I think we have to realise that many of the technical and even management of Domainz were not around or had nothing to do with the specification and implementation of the system forced on us on 1 May 2000. The current CEO is definitely different from POB. They have to live with it as we do until such time the new SRS is up and going. We all know the system is fubar'd. From what I gather they will decide at that point what to do with the DRS but until such time, they have to keep it going. Some of you met Tim John at the nznog conference. It was a pity though Derek Locke, the CEO, was registered for the conference and I did see him around one day, didn't introduce himself to those of you there so you could ask him questions about the transition from monopoly to SRS. In fact I was a bit annoyed when I found out about the SRS briefing that it wasn't held at the conference, to give some of you (network operators) an idea of what they were planning to accomplish with it. Why am I writing this? I think we should perhaps try to be helpful to people like Tim and other technical staff at domainz. I am sure they secretly hate it (the DRS) as much as we do. We know there are holes to that system. For example this week we hear not all emails went out and there's been no bounces etc. shrug - nothing new to me since I know of quite a few domain holders who never received their notification for renewal or initial invoice. I am not saying I will stop asking questions but I think I will try my best to do in a nicer tone. No we can't tell him about emails we didn't receive since we don't know about them. However if some of you have made changes to your domain, you should usually get an email about it. Similarly if you know your domain is due for renewal, they usually send renewal email reminders. So if you have received an invoice without a reminder email, that could be an indication why. regards Lin Footnote for those interested in the SRS: >From what I gather the SRS goes ahead on 1 Sept. At that point in time Domainz will be the sole registrar to the new registry. Once it is deemed stable etc, other registrars will be added on. I believe the deadline for that is 1 December 2002. They want a buffer period so they have an option to go back if things go horribly wrong. I believe once they start having other registrars it is a point of no return. Domainz has promissed to help in the transition process. Yes they have to help their competitors by helping with the transfer of domains to those registrars. Also the software for the SRS is open source. All interested registrars can either develop their own system or use the code developed. For the former, the technical specs have been placed online as well. There were lots more discussed at the meeting which went overtime ( I did think they were too optimistic that 2 hours was enough) Anyway if you want to know more, I suggest going to www.dnc.org.nz There's info there. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Very cool Internet appliance
by Juha Saarinen 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/review/2/2/1600.html Definitely something NZ ISPs should consider reselling! Wonder if you could use MRTG to graph the beer temperature/flow etc? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Newsfeed Services
by Arjen De Landgraaf 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

E-Secure-IT has a very complete and up-to-date newsfeed in the area of IT security. This is available free on their website (www.e-secure-uit.us) and can be made available to individual ISPs. Arjen de Landgraaf -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 9 August 2002 1:19 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Newsfeed Services TelstraClear will supply newsfeed services to International Internet Wholesale customers, generally at no additional charge. ( delivered over domestic connectivity ). That service is not available to non-wholesale customers. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Donovan Jones > Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2002 1:45 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Newsfeed Services > > > Given that Telecom will be terminating their Newsfeed service at > the end of > August, we are looking for a new source of usenet news for our customers. > Does anyone else in New Zealand provide Newsfeed services suitable for > an ISP (for a fee of course), or better yet is there anyone in New > Zealand that will provide (for a fee) direct access to a news server by > another ISPs customers. > > Supernews has been suggested as an option but we would obviously prefer > a local feed due to international bandwidth costs. > > Donovan Jones > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Newsfeed Services
by Donovan Jones 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

Given that Telecom will be terminating their Newsfeed service at the end of August, we are looking for a new source of usenet news for our customers. Does anyone else in New Zealand provide Newsfeed services suitable for an ISP (for a fee of course), or better yet is there anyone in New Zealand that will provide (for a fee) direct access to a news server by another ISPs customers. Supernews has been suggested as an option but we would obviously prefer a local feed due to international bandwidth costs. Donovan Jones - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Change in Unsubscription Practice - Full Mailboxes
by Donald Neal 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

NZNOG People, I have in the past only unsubscribed addresses from the NZNOG list which produced permanent errors - unknown addresses rather than bounces due to relaying filters, for example. I have now been receiving bounces due to a full mailbox from two addresses for several days. Starting tomorrow, any address which produces bounces of that kind for long enough will be unsubscribed. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: DNS problems
by Tim John 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

> I don't think anyone thought this. I never claimed this, nor was it > the point I was making. Sorry - I didn't mean it as a retaliation. But it still worth mentioning. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wedgwood [mailto:cw(a)f00f.org] Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2002 4:33 p.m. To: Tim John Cc: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: DNS problems On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:13:09PM +1200, Tim John wrote: I don't want anyone thinking that the 'real' name servers are effected by this. I don't think anyone thought this. I never claimed this, nor was it the point I was making. --cw DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DNS problems
by Tim John 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Hi all, I'm looking into some strange occurrences with the automatic emails generated by the Domainz DRS. There seems to be a few .nz Providers who have not received these emails recently and depend on them for registration notifications. The mail queue on the server is unable to resolve the names for the relevant name servers when sending the notification mail. I have restarted the DNS service, which will hopefully flush any cashed information and renew with current records. Are any other .nz Providers (or their customers) experiencing a lack of emails from Domainz ? Perhaps the lack of these emails could be seen as a good thing ... :> Cheers, Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: DNS problems
by Tim John 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

> I for one was not impressed that it managed to cache 3 week old DNS > records for our MX servers. Not to mention the lack or > logging, bounces or traceability in your software. Me neither, but the software was developed before my time and I'm just carrying the baby ! The cached information did seem to be the cause of the problem though. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2002 3:04 p.m. To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: DNS problems > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Tim John wrote: > > I have restarted the DNS service, which will hopefully > flush any cashed > > information and renew with current records. > > I for one was not impressed that it managed to cache 3 week old DNS > records for our MX servers. Not to mention the lack or > logging, bounces or > traceability in your software. > > When we moved our main MX servers we droppped the TTLs to 15 minutes > *and* kept the old servers running for a week to be sure, > nobody else had > a problem. > > Still things like DNS and email are hard, have you considered > contracting > them out to a company with more expertise in those areas? > > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: > simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: > simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: DNS problems
by Tim John 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

> We are, but we have your domain in our spam filters. It seems to be working > rather well OK. I walked into that one :) -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter.mott(a)2day.com] Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2002 3:24 p.m. To: Tim John; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: DNS problems > Are any other .nz Providers (or their customers) experiencing a lack of > emails from Domainz ? We are, but we have your domain in our spam filters. It seems to be working rather well -PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: DNS problems
by Simon Byrnand 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

At 14:42 8/08/02 +1200, Tim John wrote: >I'm looking into some strange occurrences with the automatic emails >generated by the Domainz DRS. There seems to be a few .nz Providers who have >not received these emails recently and depend on them for registration >notifications. > >The mail queue on the server is unable to resolve the names for the relevant >name servers when sending the notification mail. "unable to resolve" - can you be more specific than that ? A temporary failure to reach the authorative nameservers for the domain should just put the message back on the queue to be tried later. Unless the domain in question had failure of nameservers for a week straight, no messages should go missing....(people wouldn't want a .nz provider that had problems like that anyway :) >I have restarted the DNS service, which will hopefully flush any cashed >information and renew with current records. Which shouldn't be necessary unless your DNS is broken... >Are any other .nz Providers (or their customers) experiencing a lack of >emails from Domainz ? I wonder exactly how we're supposed to notice email which doesn't arrive ? :) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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