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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. * What is equipment like at the ManukauIT IS Dept? * Is VC'ing of interest to anyone on this list? * It can be a bit expensive though ... :-) * Anyone like the Polycom units? Allister. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Mark Foster 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

FWIW, Id happily travel to Hamilton for this sort of event.. which means I can theoretically let 3 other Aucklanders hitch with me... If i needed to travel much further beyond Hamilton, it'd want to be a Weekend event tho, where Hamilton I could probably get away with being down there just for a day and/or overnight, depending on when im required back in Auckland... The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. Having said that if it is in Auckland, I live not far from the Airport too if thats of any use to anyone... happy to play Taxi. Mark. At 11:43 10/01/02 +1300, Allister Clarke wrote: >I work at the Waikato University as well. >Tony remembers me ... :-) >Currently I work in the teaching rooms here, and I do support of some >conferences. >If people are interested we could hold it in a teaching room(s) of the >required size. >Any thoughts? > >Allister "Nearly CCNA" Clarke >AV Technician > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] >Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 11:36 a.m. >To: Donald Neal >Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far > > > >I'm very enthusiastic about the idea. > >The Waikato University Network Research group (WAND) would certainly like to >be involved. I expect we would like to supply speakers on network >measurement research and some non-presenter audience as well. > >We can host the conference if there is interested in that. > >Tony > > > > >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote: > > > NZNOG People, > > > > I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the > > suggestion of a face to face conference this year. > > > > Potential attendees: 6 > > Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 > > Offer to help organise speakers: 1 > > Offer to help organise: 1 > > Offer of venue: 1 > > > > This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that > > need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone > > else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant > > future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. > > > > I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope > > to do so early next week. > > > > - Donald Neal > > > > > > > > -- > > Donald Neal > > Special Operations > > Network Delivery > > Telecom New Zealand Ltd > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you >are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me >immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this >communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ======== > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz >Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 >Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095 >Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 >Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

I work at the Waikato University as well. Tony remembers me ... :-) Currently I work in the teaching rooms here, and I do support of some conferences. If people are interested we could hold it in a teaching room(s) of the required size. Any thoughts? Allister "Nearly CCNA" Clarke AV Technician -----Original Message----- From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 11:36 a.m. To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far I'm very enthusiastic about the idea. The Waikato University Network Research group (WAND) would certainly like to be involved. I expect we would like to supply speakers on network measurement research and some non-presenter audience as well. We can host the conference if there is interested in that. Tony On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote: > NZNOG People, > > I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the > suggestion of a face to face conference this year. > > Potential attendees: 6 > Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 > Offer to help organise speakers: 1 > Offer to help organise: 1 > Offer of venue: 1 > > This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that > need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone > else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant > future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. > > I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope > to do so early next week. > > - Donald Neal > > > > -- > Donald Neal > Special Operations > Network Delivery > Telecom New Zealand Ltd > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." > > > ====================================================================== > ======== > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095 Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002
by Donald Neal 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

NZNOG People, There are now over three hundred addresses subscribed to this list. Most of those addresses seem likely to correspond to people with an interest in network operation. There were very pleasing turnouts at last year's Christmas functions.I wonder whether it's time to try organising a more serious gathering. Each year the North American Network Operators' Group holds three face to face meetings, at which subjects of interest to network operators - and few others - are discussed. The content varies from tutorials in how to make specific products do specific things to the results of network-related research by government-funded agencies. You can read the agenda from the most recent meeting at http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/agenda.html . I do not assume that it would be possible to do the same thing here, even if that was what people wanted. I do wonder whether there would be enough interest to justify trying to organise a face to face conference to be held this year. I'd welcome opinions on that from subscribers who might be willing to attend. (Please don't bother replying to express apathy - I can deduce that from silence.) We should assume that there would be some sort of charge for attendance, reflecting the cost of the venue, food and coffee, and quite possibly some effort to meet some costs of presenting. My guess is that we'd need enough content for close to a day to make the thing worth doing. One option would be a stand-alone event either in Auckland or Wellington (i.e. Auckland?) though our non-existant financial structure might cause problems with that. Another would be to clip ourselves onto the side of some moderately relevant conference such as that now being planned by UniForum NZ for mid-year, in the hope of avoiding all that tedious mucking about with venues and things. (No, I have not discussed this with UniForum NZ, though at least one of their board is sympathetic. :{)* ) For now, I'm primarily looking for expressions of interest in attending, along with suggestions about more or less convenient places and dates. Though of course to hear from volunteers to present material or do other work would be nice. Yes, I do realise that final decisions on attendance are bound to be driven by things like the location, the quality of the programme and whether any of your routers have had the magic smoke come out lately. Right now I'm chiefly seeking an idea of whether this is worth proceeding with further. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase ?
by Simon Byrnand 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

Hi Everyone, Just curious if anyone has noticed a large increase in spam to their customers in the last while, in particular there seems to be a lot of stuff of asian origin, and a large percentage of them are in unreadable (to us) character sets (chinese, japanese, korean perhaps) with pictures and links to porn sites :-( Ordinary spam in english text is bad enough, but when there are explicit pictures within the email as well its just not on at all IMHO. Of the dozen or so that I decided to try and track back, 90% of the source mailservers are listed in either orbz or ordb as open relays. I wonder if the continued existance (perhaps increase) of open relays could make spam the next epidemic after email worms.... Regards, Simon iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Spam on the increase ?
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

I'm curious Chris, Have you had many of the online site email addresses leaked? Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodofone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wedgwood [mailto:cw(a)f00f.org] Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 3:26 PM To: Dean Pemberton Cc: Dylan Reeve; NZNOG List Subject: Re: Spam on the increase ? On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:06:43PM +1100, Dean Pemberton wrote: So rather than having dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz post to mailing lists, I'd have nznog(a)deanpemberton.com post to the nznog mailing list. Then filter incoming mail to that address, so that if it was not a post to the nznog list it gets dumped. I do this already for all my mailing lists, for example, I receive all nznog email via nznog(a)ml.cw.f00f.org --- and I can tell you from experience this wonderful scheme of mine casues many problems :( I also use this for routing, so if somebody wanted to be malicious, they could spam that address and it would get automagically routed and stored in my nznog mailing list --- at which time I move to me next greatest scheme :) Similarly, I use cw+<blah>@f00f.org sort of thing for online sites, to I can track if given email addresses leak and such like, all very crude right now, but I've considered something much more complex where I would email using <nouce>@cw-mail.f00f.org sort of thing so I could track individual messages and replies to them on a per message basis, but it hardly seems worth the effort. The biggest problem being that I can't post to mailing lists as cw(a)f00f.org unless they have a pst-only type list (which nznog does, but most lists do not). --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase ?
by Simon Byrnand 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

At 11:15 8/01/02 +1300, Andy Linton wrote: >I think you're fighting a losing battle in many ways here. Maybe so, but... >The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web >pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - >I'd hypothesise that these spammers you're upset about are the Satchi and >Satchi of tomorrow. It's not going away and you have to learn to ignore it >just like you have to ignore the ads on TV. Here I disagree. I don't think anyone should need to learn to ignore spam with explicit pictures being shoved in their face every day. It's one thing to visit a website of your own free will and then see an advert you dont like, its quite another to receive it unsolicited. To use your own analogy its like TV advertisers being able to force you to watch their ads even when the TV is turned OFF. :) It's all too easy for people to throw their hands in the air and just give up in the face of what seems like a losing battle, but as soon as we do that, the spammers have won. Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002
by Donald Neal 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Dean, -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 01/08/02 04:08 >>> >I'd be interested in hearing what people think about the Vendor vs >Non-Vendor approach. >On the one hand making it Non-Vendor keeps it like the list. A place >for people to swap ideas and now have Vendors jump in with an axe to >grind. >On the other hand. Vendors with axe's to grind == money. >And they can spring for beer/giveaways/etc. >Hard to know what people want to do here. I don't see this as either/or. Apart from the issues you raise, there is definitely an audience for presentations by vendor staff who know what they're talking about, subject to simple rules about not being too rude about other companies except Microsoft. >> One option would be a stand-alone event either in Auckland or Wellington >> (i.e. Auckland?) though our non-existant financial structure might cause >> problems with that. Another would be to clip ourselves onto the side of >> some moderately relevant conference such as that now being planned by >> UniForum NZ for mid-year, in the hope of avoiding all that tedious >> mucking about with venues and things. (No, I have not discussed this >> with UniForum NZ, though at least one of their board is sympathetic. >> :{)* ) >Uni-Who? Are they still having conferences? So far as I'm aware, they're the only (other?) organisation seeking to run a national conference for geeks. If anyone knows of another ... - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open proxies - was RE: Spam on the increase ?
by Phill Groom 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

-----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [SMTP:asjl(a)lionra.net.nz] >The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web >pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - Slightly related - During a moment of stupidity (I blame the shift in magnetic fields due to my being temporarily relocated some thousands of kilometers from my true home) I inadvertently removed the all important "#" from "#ProxyRequests On" on an apache box.. It took some time and someone far more cluefull than myself to relate this mistake with the strange GET's I started seeing in my http logs a few months later. I was seeing GET's for banner ads at a rate of a couple a day. Turns out my box and many other open proxies around the world were being used to proxy banner add hits to generate revenue for the scum who had the financial relationship with the banner add company. They needed to make the hits look as though they were coming from joe random customers hence the use of many open proxies. Something else to watch for. Phill. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase
by Michael Hallager 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

HI all, I did notice this too. (To my own personal box). Good that the headers are still in english.... :-) The funniest one, (This one in english) was the one sent to abuse(a)comsolve.net.nz, which I setup to take AUP style complaints. (None recieved yet though). Out of all the mail addresses @comsolve.net.nz, that was most appropriate. Shows spammers don't have any sense... :-) Best regards, -- Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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