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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Donald Neal 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

>>> "Kefyn Judson (ENZ)" <kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz> 01/11/02 12:19 >>> [...] >What is the point of us getting together? I'm not knocking it here, but if >we can identify our reasons for getting together we should be able to >identify which setup would work for us. >Is it for networking? >For chewing over a specific issue? >For hands on workshopping something (perhaps all the Spam killing ideas of >late :-)?) >For discussing how to encourage, for instance multicast, growth in the NZ >market? >Have a clear purpose up front would help ensure that we are heading in the >right direction and help prevent it degenerating into a talkfest. There's been little feedback so far on this. My own guess is that that is because there is not just a single reason why people go to conferences. Partly, it's to learn things from the formal programme. Partly, it's to learn things informally. Vendors will be there in part to promote their brand and quitew possible to sell specific products or services. Potential buyers may actually want to know about specific prodiucts or services. Some attendees will be there in part simply to meet people whom its valuable in different ways to know. And not everyone is expected to be interested in every subject discussed, either. If not stopped, I'll proceed on the assumption that we can plan to do something without seeking a unifying reason for it. However, if people who would attend in the right circumstances do have goals they think we should be aiming to achieve, now's the time to speak up. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics so far
by Andreas Girardet 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

The list so far, I have grouped them into various areas and added the various companies / individuals ############################################ - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Wireless Network Security Issues - Network Sniffing demo. Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Voice over IP - end-user telephony and Toll-bypass Contributors: Cisco ############################################ - Security and Abuse - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net - DDoS attacks Contributors: ############################################ - MPLS (Intro/overview) - rfc2547bis MPLS VPN's Contributors: Dean Pemberton Cisco ############################################ - OSPF/ISIS/BGP (anything that people want to know) Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - IPv6. Migration strategies Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Multicast (MSDP, DNS as the roll of RP) Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Local loop unbundling -- technical feasibility study Contributors: Citylink ############################################ - Fibre MAN's, both Ethernet and DWDM Contributors: Cisco ############################################ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics
by Andreas Girardet 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

>From the past year of discussions - IPv6. Migration strategies - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Voice over IP - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net If someone goes through the archives, I am sure we will have more points like that. Simple voting could decide then what the actual main topics are and we could then have workshops rather than long speeches. We really just need one or two main topics and could have work shops in which we actually draw up some steps to then be implemented in our various companies. If we keep it simple we will more likely succeed in getting something useful out of it. Beer is something that will happen automatically. Andreas - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Dean, you're a trainer. How about you do an "Ipv6 and its implications on NZ Nets" or the like! Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 12:10 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: NZNOG List Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 08:01, Andy Linton wrote: > > I think you need to have some goal here. I'd be interested in this meeting > IFF it's technical - if we get marketing and sales types there I won't be > nearly as interested (possibly one of the understatements of 2002). > > Perhaps it would be useful to revisit out terms of reference - see below. > I'm sure Donald will be keeping these points in mind but I'd like others > to consider them too. I'd suggest that some form of program committee need > to be consituted - this event need to be content driven not event driven. > Let's think about organising the event when we have something that looks > like a program that people want to see/hear. > I think that it would also be useful to look at the niche we fill in the industry. For example. We don't want to have content that fits into the Governance or Legislative domain because thats for ISOCNZ. We also might want to stay away from the wider Open Systems issues, because thats for Uniforum to address. This list is for Technical Network issues only. So things that I would not be happy to see in an NZNOG conference. . "A detailed look at the politics of neutral peering" . "Security issues of your favorite Linux distro" . "Domainz" (I'm going to get flamed on this one. but I don't think that there are any TECHNICAL issues that need to be discussed.) Things that I think are slightly more appropriate. . "An explanation of how new net technology X could be deployed in NZ" . "Detailed look at protocol X" . "Hands on workshop to install and demonstrate X." You get my point. We are a technical list, it should be a technical conference. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

I guess that is precisely why tucows/fileplanet exist. However, I feel it can always be done. Perhaps, one machine with high capacity storage and lots of grunt sitting on the Auckland Peering Exchange :=) Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David White wrote: > So what we need is some gigantic LOCAL storage of the more popular files > that multiple people are requesting from some OVERSEAS location. > > (I know, I know -- it was suggested 10 years ago. And there are copyright > issues. And expiry. And maintenance. And backup. And setup cost...) > > Still, it could be a valuable service an ISP might offer and benefit > themselves to boot! > > david > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sahil Gupta - NET4U [mailto:sahil(a)sahil.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2002 11:30 > To: David White > Cc: Biff (Paradise); List Server Account; Warwick; Adsl2 > Subject: RE: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping > > > Well, National Bandwith is not a problem but, the *REAL* issue is that > most people get JetStart inorder to download movies/warez (this is what > gives an ISP a big big big loss) because most content being transferred > is International. > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > NET4U Limited > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/02 > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Donald Neal 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

NZNOG People, I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the suggestion of a face to face conference this year. Potential attendees: 6 Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 Offer to help organise speakers: 1 Offer to help organise: 1 Offer of venue: 1 This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope to do so early next week. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Southercross running on protection?
by Chris Wedgwood 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

I'm seeing long delays (about 110ms more than usual) to 4768 and 4648 which lead me to believe southern-cross is running under protection... Hop Best Mean --------------------------------------------------- g2-0-2.pabr2.netgate.net.nz 23 26 p0-1-0.labr1.global-gateway.net.nz 219 224 b2-fa-0-0-0.losangeles.clix.net.nz 74 78 jcore1-at-0-3-0-20-acld.auckland.cl 274 278 Is anyone able to confirm or deny anything here? --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback
by Donald Neal 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Dean, -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 01/11/02 11:38 >>> [...] >It would be great to see overseas people there, but which would you >rather see. >a) Room full of only the people who can fly to anywhere in the country >and pay $400, all drooling over the latest International Guru? >or >b) Room full of anyone who wants to attend, all on an equal footing, >all learning from what each other has to offer. >Which one of these fits the culture of this list better? Given the very high proportion of postings by a very low proportion fo subscribers, and the many subscribers who hardly ever post at all, I'm not sure you'd like the answer to your question. For myself, I'm asking what people would actually exert themselves enough to attend. If hundreds of people just want to lurk on this list and wouldn't attend any event that was organised, that's fine. But that would make them not the people who should be deciding what form such an event should take. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

I do like the Waikato Uni as the venue. That is once we have sorted out why we want to do this and a big venue is appropriate. We have international "guru's" coming down all the time. I'll keep an eye on the talent and drop a name if their field looks interesting to the list. Regards Kefyn JUDSON (FROM HAMILTON) Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 12:04 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: >It would be great to see overseas people there, but which would you >rather see. > > a) Room full of only the people who can fly to anywhere in the country > and pay $400, all drooling over the latest International Guru? > or > b) Room full of anyone who wants to attend, all on an equal footing, > all learning from what each other has to offer. Something in the middle. When we've done things like this at the university in the past the cost has been between $100 and $200. It could be less if vendors sponsor food/drinks bandwidth etc. If we hosted the event we would sponsor someone from NLANR or CAIDA to come (not quite drooling material, but generally worth listening too.) Accommodation and social extra (say $75 and $50). Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Dean I'd definitely be a starter for one of those tShirts. Could be that classical evolutionary picture from gorilla to Neanderthal to 21 century human! :-) Enough of that! What is the point of us getting together? I'm not knocking it here, but if we can identify our reasons for getting together we should be able to identify which setup would work for us. Is it for networking? For chewing over a specific issue? For hands on workshopping something (perhaps all the Spam killing ideas of late :-)?) For discussing how to encourage, for instance multicast, growth in the NZ market? Have a clear purpose up front would help ensure that we are heading in the right direction and help prevent it degenerating into a talkfest. We sort out why we want this and we may find that a smaller quarterly or biannual gathering is really more appropriate. Won't know until we know why we want do this. What y'all think? Coming from a vendor this has been valued at only 3 cents (plus GST). Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 11:00 AM To: Roger De Salis Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:22:20AM +1300, Roger De Salis wrote: > > 1/ Organisation is pretty much a 12 month cycle (not to say > you can't do a smaller one in less time.) > Damn - my attention span has been clocked at under 10.7 seconds. Seriously though. I don't doubt for a minute that this is a long term job, and as such needs the right sort of person to organise it. > 2/ Guest overseas/celebrity speakers (from 1-3) usually > want business-class airfare plus free accomodation. > Greedy bastards. S/t I think this could be relaxed. None of the companies they work for will be flying them business class at the moment so why should we. > 3/ Organisors, who usually work for nothing, like have their > accomodation paid. (But this need not be the case) > One Maui Camper van comming up S/t If you like the idea enough to volenteer to organise it, then you were probably going to come anyway. So then you would have been paying for your accomodation anyway. So no one should mind paying. QED > > I believe most companies would stump up for this. > There are severe limitations in the number of establishments > that can deal with 50-150 people, and they typically want > 12 month notice of bookings. Yep - this I think will be an issue. We might want to look into this as a phase 1. it might effect some of the scaling decisions that Donald is talking about (single vs multiday, independant vs schlepping off uniforum) > > I'm sure Cisco, being the gorilla of the Internet industry > would be keen to participate, by providing an overseas > speaker, and other companies would no doubt contribute in > like fashion. The principle reason for finding a sponsor > is to stump up the hotel deposit. One tShirt with a slow knuckle-dragging, hairy, drooling gorilla named Cisco comming up =) S/t I don't think Speakers will be a huge problem. I think that doing them for cheap, and getting companies to just fork out disposable cash might be a bit harder. But who knows. > > I think the technical conference in NZ is a worthy one, but > I would put more emphasis on getting managers of Telco's > along, simply as it is an opportunity for them to understand > a little more of the technical side, and perhaps it is also > an opportunity for the techo's to understand the management > drivers. > <t-i-c> Telco's are some of the most technical and intelligent people that I know. They have recently been shown to make EXCELLENT networking decisions. I think they would be a great asset to any conference audience. </t-i-c> Having said all this I guess the thing that I'm worried about the most is that we start too big and it tanks. We are then left with the "Nah, we tried that once but it didn't work" All good points man. Esp the ones about how expensive and time consuming the organising is. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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