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RE: Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Mark Derricutt 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Can't say I did, was there some 'net' related scandel mentioned? --On Wednesday, 31 October 2001 8:39 a.m. +1300 Lindsay Druett <lindsayd(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > He might go even further back (try the 10-15 years or so), some of us have > very long memories. > BTW. Did anyone watch Scandals on TV2 last night ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Peter Mott 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

At 31/10/2001 11:56, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no > fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth > censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned > SafeSurf, the online safety organization. AB hasn't found a new job has he? :-) - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm SafeSurf Press Release 1304 Newbury Road, Unit E, Newbury Park, CA 91320 E-mail: safesurf(a)safesurf.com * Web Site: http://www.safesurf.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 25, 2001 Contact : Ray Soular Press Phone : (818) 613-1415 SafeSurf Warns of Stealth Censorship Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned SafeSurf, the online safety organization. This new type of censorship, promoted by a California corporation called Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC (MAPS), silences every Web site whose address is located on a server that also happens to host one or two unrelated email marketing sites. However, since the browser message displayed says that the Web sites are non-existent, online surfers have no idea they are being denied access to many parts of the Internet. "This is stealth censorship*", remarked SafeSurf Chairman Ray Soular as he described how Web site owners have no rights under this system. "Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS) publicizes its Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) as being only of certified email abusers (spammers). It provides this list to Internet Service Providers (ISP) who rely on its accuracy when shutting out these spammers. In reality, MAPS' practice of listing entire groups of IP numbers, instead of the specific addresses of the spammers, is causing ISPs to shut off access to sites that have done no wrong other than they have similar IP numbers to the spammers. Its like shutting off phone service to thousands of people simply because they have the same prefix as an obscene caller," explained Soular. "To make matters worse, MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated," Soular reasoned. Teleglobe, a global Internet provider who subscribes to the MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL), was blocking SafeSurf in many countries, simply because SafeSurf's Web site was on a public server owned by an hosting company once accused of providing services to email marketers. (News Flash Oct 29, 2001: MAPS removed SafeSurf from its Blackhole list and Teleglobe removed blocking.) "Under their system, an unsuspecting Web site can become a RBL hostage at any time, for any reason, and without appeal. Unless the owner of the server meets MAPS demands, the innocent hostage site will be left to rot in the 'Blackhole'," pointed out Soular. "This is the worst manifestation of censorship imaginable because it is applied in a way which fools Web surfers into thinking they still have their freedom", said Soular. ### _______________________________________________________________ Below is the text of SafeSurf's Open Letter to the Internet Community concerning MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) that targets general IP groups instead of specific IP addresses. SafeSurf was recently alerted that we were marked for blocking, for no fault of our own, by Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). SafeSurf has never sent out a single piece of junk email in the life of our company. Parents and Webmasters depend upon communication from SafeSurf to enable them to protect children on the Internet. As a result, by blocking SafeSurf, MAPS is endangering millions of children across the globe. MAPS' RBL blocking is censorship in its worst manifestation. It is a extremist system that seeks to censor people simply because they happen to be with the same ISP that has a particular individual that MAPS does not like. Their tactics would be similar to someone using a nuclear weapon to wipe out a cockroach. Although they may contact the ISP, MAPS makes no effort, whatsoever, to warn the people actually being censored. The innocent Web Sites have to depend on others to discover that their right to free speech has been desecrated. MAPS actions demonstrate what SafeSurf has long suspected; true censorship arises for the purpose of advancing the agenda of a particular group of individuals. Censorship is a broad brush that drips paint on the pure, as well as the tainted. MAPS may claim that their actions are in the interest of good, but in reality they would easily trade in the good of children to achieve their goal. They have more than proved this point by holding the SafeSurf Web Site hostage until they force the acquiescence of others. MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Therefore, they could negligently block sites that contain important life saving medical information, sites that protect children, and sites that output emergency info during tornado watches, fire and flood alerts. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated. We hate spam as much as anyone else. SafeSurf receives hundreds of spam emails every day. However, we cherish our civil liberties too much to ever trade them to the careless people who are running MAPS. We have tried to reason with MAPS, but they refuse to offer affected Web sites a case-by-case appeal process. They seem to not care about fairness. They are blinded by the smell of spammer's blood and do not seem to care how many innocent Web sites they trounce in the process. Then, they rationalize and try to put the blame for their wanton actions on everyone else. This issue is completely different from the debate over porn filtering, because in that debate, at least it was agreed that the sites we were discussing were responsible for their acts. In this case, MAPS employs an underhanded tactic of targeting the innocent in order to persuade the guilty. We must insist that MAPS operate in a responsible manner. A just cause is no excuse for unjust actions. By accepting MAPS, we are, in effect, agreeing to full censorship of anyone, for any reason. This is beyond the worst-case scenarios we could've imagined coming from governments. MAPS may be on a crusade to rid the Internet of spam, but this should not give them the authority to deny freedoms to the blameless. It should not give them the power to shroud someone's brilliance simply because it happens to be on a MAPS targeted ISP. It should not give them the right to make a mockery of the pillars upon which America was built. I feel sorry for all the subscribers to Teleglobe, which trusts MAPS' RBL list. They have traded access to the truth in exchange for a cleaner mailbox. The really sad part is they don't even know it. We must raise our voices to warn the online world of stealth censorship. For in the end, we will either loudly hold on to our liberty or it will become clear that we gave up our rights by our silence. Sincerely, Ray Soular, Chairman SafeSurf * The term, stealth blocking, was first used by Bennett Haselton in "The Coalition Statement Against Stealth Blocking" to be found at http://www.peacefire.org/. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Craig Whitmore 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Hi there.. Does anyone know what happened to startrek.org.nz (and all the domains he hosts off it) and Lloyd who looks after it.. it seems to have vanished off the face. The routing goes no where also. The contact number for him doesn't seem to exist any more :-( inetnum: 202.49.250.0 - 202.49.250.255 netname: MAXWARP-NZ descr: Maximum Warp country: NZ admin-c: GG4-NZ tech-c: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: nch(a)ihug.co.nz changed: steved(a)waikato.ac.nz 961122 source: APNIC person: Lloyd Gallagher address: 216 Great South Road address: Ohaupo phone: +64 7 823 6463 e-mail: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz nic-hdl: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NULL changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19990121 source: APNIC Thanks Craig Whitmore

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Asia Online Email
by Philip Hunt 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

To the NZ Internet Community & NOG Members: As you know, Strongnet sent an email on Friday afternoon to clients of Asia Online who have ".nz" domain names. The contact information used was not retrieved from the Domainz database. In fact, the information was compiled from a zone transfer several months ago. I realise that the email has upset some people, and on behalf of Strongnet I would like to sincerely apologise to those people. I can assure you that Strongnet will not make this type of mistake again. Regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited

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FW: Asia Online
by Gordon Smith 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

I'd probably agree with Mark that a warning was in order, if not for the fact that we received spam from another Orcon customer, FusionDigital, only last month. That one was trying to sell me bandwidth, ports, etc Come on Seeby, I think some serious LARTing is in order... Gordon --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Asia Online
by Seeby - Orcon Internet 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

As you will know - Orcon is a wholesaler to a large number of ISP's and web hosting companies around NZ. If a customer of one of the ISP's we service SPAM's - we don't cut the ISP off for inadvertently spamming by way of their customer - because it's not their fault. Any issues like this are generally referred to the ISP hosting the customer. With regard to our terms and conditions there is a clear distinction between customers directly on our network, and wholesale customers who have their own networks and customers behind us. I can assue you, as will have been evidenced in the past, that direct customers of ours on our network who spam or cause problems are dealt with swiftly, however wholesale customers are generally allowed to make their own rules about what must or must not be allowed in the case of spamming. In this issue, cutting of strongnet because of the actions of Phil Hunt would affect a lot more customers than simply him alone. As a wholesale customer, I am affecting all their customers as well if I take such action. It is important to understand that an individual is not necessarily equivalent to a company, and where we have wholesale contracts with a company, the actions of one director may not be warrant, justify or allow the removal of services to that company. There are some issues which people will not be aware of that make this very complicated for us, and as I have said - we are in the middle. I certainly do not condonde the actions that have happend, however suggesions from people to "cut Strongnet off!" are not helpful when not all the facts may be known. You can be assured that myself and Orcon act with the utmost of integrity, and that I am not simply "changing the rules" for one particular customer. Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <gordon(a)morenet.net.nz> > Although I can see your point, if you take this position with spammers on > your network, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Orcon's IP blocks listed > in the various email blacklists as being spammer-friendly. > > You're changing your terms and conditions for individual users, which, I > believe, is not really acceptable. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Asia Online
by Seeby - Orcon Internet 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

While not condoning Philip Hunt's actions in this regard, we are placed in a very difficult position. Our terms and conditions state that we do not allow users to send spam from our network, however when this user is a business, and the lifeblood of their business is providing Internet services - to cut them off would mean the end of their ability to function. Because of this, I feel that it is fair to give a warning only rather than a suspension of services. I am trying to be fair to all parties - including the wider Internet community - and wanted to let everyone know where I stand. I guess we are stuck in the middle on this one. Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz > At 27/10/2001 11:17, you wrote: > > > Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated > > > Domain Name and Webhosting systems. > > And appears to be a customer of orcon.net.nz whose terms contain published at > > http://www.orcon.net.nz/support/terms/termsandconditions.html > > contain: > > "Users are not permitted to send multiple unsolicited email (Spam) to > single or multiple users including, but not limited to, advertising email." > > "Any failure to obey these rules or if a specific complaint has been made > from any person or company about your activities we will investigate (in > conjunction with the police if necessary). We will then make a decision as > to the severity of your actions. This may result in a warning. If we > consider the breach to be sufficiently serious (at our discretion) you > agree that we may disconnect your services immediately without notice or > liability to you." > > This email is a specific complaint in regard to the bulk UCE sent by > strongnet to .nz registrants who are currently customers of Asia On-line. > > I believe the severity of the action demands immediate > disconnection. There is no way an ISP can reasonably claim ignorance in > such matters. > > Other internet providers who endorse this complaint and recommended action, > please wave your hand. > > > > > Peter Mott > Chief Enthusiast > 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED > -/- > > 2day.com - The professional choice for automated web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re:: Asia Online
by PhoneNet 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

At 13:03 27/10/01 +1300, you wrote: >Condering the identities of 2 of the other parties I have heard of then >cutting them off will get rid of a large percentage of the NZ Internet. >Since this is not going to happen it's not really fair to impose a similar >penality against strongnet just cause fewer people will be inconvenienced. So name them as well... what is it with this industry... its been unable to regulate itself as far back as I can remember and half of the transgressions of supposedly responsible ISPs never make it into the "press".... let's treat this as a wake-up call and do somehting pro-active for a change! Ian >> >>However every ISP here has upstreams even if they are overseas, whats more >>every connection agreement I have seen allows the upstream ISP to cut off >>spammers. >> >>-- >>Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >>Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >>ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz >> >>--------- >>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>where the body of your message reads: >>unsubscribe nznog >> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Asia Online
by Chris Woodrow 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Its only fair that you make your own minds up about the spam and a copy is below. My perspective is that spam sucks, but at least we theoretically in New Zealand we have great network administrators (I do note Xtra as an exception here after previous experience) that we can have tell the users off and reduce/prevent spam. However when a network is involved, who does the telling off? Networks/Service providers by involvement in the industry should hopefully already know that spam is wrong, therefore a telling off is pointless and punishment realistically should be an option. Exactly how is the hard bit, and hopefully the press will do their part to expose these questionable StrongNet ethics. Who knows perhaps NZNOG being notified of peers who are spamming may be punishment enough in the long term, it is a very small industry. After getting six of these emails, there is no way I would deal with StrongNet in the future, however realistically I may not have in any case. But Phillip Hunt and StrongNet are now forever etched in my 'memory' of New Zealand based spammers and dodgey people. Cheers Chris Chris Woodrow Melco New Zealand > -----Original Message----- > From: phil(a)strongnet.co.nz [SMTP:phil(a)strongnet.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:54 AM > To: info(a)melco.co.nz > Cc: postmaster(a)melco.co.nz > Subject: Asia Online > > Dear Asia Online Domain Holder (melco.co.nz), > > Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated > Domain Name and Webhosting systems. It is not our intention to send you > information that is of no interest. Please advise us at any time if you > wish to be removed from our records by replying to this message with just > "REMOVE" in the subject line. > > You may have read in the New Zealand Herald that ... "Internet service > provider Asia Online New Zealand has gone into voluntary liquidation". The > article can be found by clicking here > <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=22455 > 4&thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet > > or on the following link: > > &thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet< > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=224554 > &thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet> > > > According to our records, your domain name MELCO.CO.NZ is hosted at Asia > Online New Zealand. > > Strongnet is a 100% New Zealand privately owned company that has been > providing Domain Name and Hosting services since early 1998. Strongnet > operates its own network at Albany, Auckland with high speed connections > to the Internet and Uninteruptable Power. Our network is home to over 2500 > Domain Names, including many high-profile clients such as: > > * Cardlink Systems ( <http://www.cardlink.co.nz>) > > * Citroen New Zealand ( <http://www.citroen.co.nz>) > > * Regency Duty Free ( <http://www.regency.co.nz>) > > * Maurice Kain Textiles ( <http://www.mauricekain.co.nz>) > > * Software Of Excellence ( <http://www.soeidental.com>) > > * Wellington Drive Technologies ( <http://www.wdtl.com>) > > * Armstrong Corporation ( <http://www.armstrong.co.nz>) > > * Remuera Golf Club ( <http://www.remueragolfclub.com>) > > * BikeBarn ( <http://www.bikebarn.co.nz>) > > > It would be a great pleasure if we could be of any assistance to your > organisation with regard to hosting your Domain Name or Website going > forward. As an indication of pricing, access to our fully automated > website hosting packages is available from just $13.95 per month. > > If you are interested in learning more about our Domain Name and Hosting > system, please call us on 09 414 2492, or email info(a)strongnet.co.nz > <mailto:info(a)strongnet.co.nz>, or visit our website at > <http://www.strongnet.co.nz> > > Finally, thank you for your time... and we really look forward to hearing > from you soon! > > Kind regards, > Philip Hunt > Strongnet Limited > Tel: +64-9-414-2492 > Fax: +64-9-414-2960 > Email: info(a)strongnet.co.nz > Website: www.strongnet.co.nz > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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