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RE: Julian Angelo
by Lindsay Druett 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Read a bit of that... you're not kidding. About 5 pages of it.... Hey ! He forgot to mention to his prayer chain about NZNOG ! :: Would it not suffice for Mr Angelo to publish an apology :: here on NZNOG, thus when prospective employers discover his :: chequered past, they will also discover his contrition. http://www.datasync.com/~mbowie/archive29.html -- read a bit of that... seems the NZNOG archives are the least of Mr Angelo's worries. -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Julian Angelo
by david＠farrar.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

There seem to be a few lessons one can learn from this. 1) Don't spam 2) Don't spam ISPs 3) In case of 1 or 2 apologise 4) Asking for archives to be removed is a bad idea 5) Asking a group of system admins to remove archives is a *really* bad idea 6) This is because anything that can be found about you will and has been 7) Also because the discussion on your request leads to 30 times as many hits as the original thread 8) Juha does have too much time on his hands 9) Refer to 1 10) There is no 10. DPF Gordon Smith wrote: > Good grief!! > > You know Juha, you really have too much free time... :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2001 12:33 > > To: 'Hamish MacEwan'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: Julian Angelo > > > > > > :: Would it not suffice for Mr Angelo to publish an apology > > :: here on NZNOG, thus when prospective employers discover his > > :: chequered past, they will also discover his contrition. > > > > http://www.datasync.com/~mbowie/archive29.html > > > > -- read a bit of that... seems the NZNOG archives are the least of Mr > > Angelo's worries. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Julian Angelo
by Greg Clare 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Just an observation... In requesting the archive purge, a whole new thread of discussion relating to this topic is currently being created... Therefore, the next request will be for the current discussion to be purged... ad infinitum! This leads to the obvious paradox that the only way to undo history is to travel back in time and not do what should not have been did in the first place! ;) Another observation... An apology post would also be recorded in the archives. Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2001 12:04 pm > To: 'Michael Newbery'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Julian Angelo > > > :: An interesting point. The image of 'Memory Holes' sprang > :: instantly to mind. > :: > :: While the article below is rather extreme > :: (http://www.thefire.org/offsite/data/mcelroy042000.html) it > :: does make > :: the point that an archive is supposed to be, well, an archive. > > Good point. I think that "sanitising" archives might set an > unfortunate > precedent, but ultimately, it's up to the listadmin to decide. > > However, even if the messages referring to Mr Angelo were > expunged from > the archives, haven't they been stored elsewhere? I seem to remember > that Google spiders NZNOG... hang on... yep, so it does. > > In fact, a Google search on "Julian Angelo" reveals plenty more than > just NZNOG... see for yourself. I think he's just going to > have to live > with his fifteen seconds of Internet infamy. > > > -- > Juha > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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re: Julian Angelo
by Matthew G Brown 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

I have also read about this person . If he could come up with a good reason and apology he could have his sentence shortened by the ISP Justice system. Spam is Spam and from what I know he did quite the nice job of it all . Sincere apologies time. Matthew G Brown Wireless Network Specialist Tasman Solutions LTD Http://www.ts.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Who are these at APE?
by Craig Whitmore 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Anyone be able to tell me who these are at ape?? ????.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.7) dts1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.68) dts2.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.69) ssc.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.76) They are not on the www.ape.net.nz website for contact to peer with? (if they want to is a different question) Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: IP express
by David Anso 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

I take the last bit back. International access seems quite good again. Regards David Anso Systems Administrator - ZIP Internet Email: sysadmin(a)zip.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Anso" <sysadmin(a)zip.co.nz> To: "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> Cc: "NZNOG Mailing List" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: IP express > Clint said that there was a fibre cut between Auckland and Hamilton. > Apparently it's Telecom fibre, not Clear fibre. > > It's seems CLIX and Netgate peer at Waikato, so now I'm getting 600ms ping > times to Netgate connections from CLIX :-( > > That on top of total loss of bandwidth at 13:00, which has now improved to > dog slow international access. :-( > > > Regards > > David Anso > Systems Administrator - ZIP Internet > > Email: sysadmin(a)zip.co.nz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> > To: "J S Russell" <jsr(a)jsr.com> > Cc: "David Robb" <david.robb(a)staff.ihug.co.nz>; "NZNOG Mailing List" > <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: IP express > > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:39:56PM +1200, J S Russell wrote: > > > > The Clear Communications operations dude just told us that "some > fibres > > have been cut, somewhere." and that "he didn't have much info at this > > time." > > > > *who* said that? > > > > > > > > --cw > > --------- > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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I'm off!
by Phill Groom 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Lunch seems to have gone on a bit longer than normal today and since I am now at home and not at my desk I don't have access to all of the email addresses of the people I would like to personally say goodbye to. A general broadcast to nznog seems like the best way out of this predicament. Apologies to those that don't know me or do know me but don't care! I have left TelstraSaturn and will be returning to Telstra Corp. in Hobart next week. To all of the customers, potential customers, peers and competitors (not necessarily in that order) that I have had the pleasure of working with over the last two years I say thank you. I have learnt truck loads of stuff from all of you and will treasure the friendships I have made. This industry in New Zealand is unique. There are so many cluefull people who are prepared to put competition aside for the good of the general Internet community. I could make lots of Kiwi jokes, but I won't because I may want a job back here one day. Goodbye and good luck. Regards, Phill. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: IP express
by Seeby - Orcon Internet 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Yes we are having problems with our IPExpress cct. we thought that it was just us. we have lodged a fault with Clear they haven't given us an ETA Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Lyall" <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: ip express? > Looks like it's down going off who has died on APE. Can anyone confirm? > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Australian Bill - "10 years for hacker toolkits, scanners and virus code."
by Hamish MacEwan 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

I've read some of the discussion at, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/07/0132226 and wonder if anyone has any reassurance to offer about the NZ bill? I'm presuming the practitioners on this list will be in some kind of grey area in this legislation, unless the State wishes to introduce a form of licensing, a la Car Salesmen, Security Guards, Doctor, and Network Operator who is granted specific exemptions regarding the general provisions of the law. The other, supra-legislative, issue that might have an operational impact on the operation of the Internet in NZ is this Hague Treaty expansion, at the behest of the usual beneficiaries, to encompass content law. Is there any concern that NZ ISPs will become liable, if the law is so elsewhere in the world? Hamish. -- The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -- Marcel Proust --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: IP express
by Donald Neal 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

-- Donald Neal Mobility & Calling Platforms Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Rob Isaac" <rob(a)automagic.org> 07/09/01 12:38 >>> >*Steps up to the plate* >Seeby sends email >having problems with IP >a fault is lodged I express suprise Spare time is so extensive for operations staff - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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