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Fwd: RE: New hacking laws
by Mark Foster 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

I assume this was supposed to go to the list. >Delivered-To: blakjak-net-blakjak(a)blakjak.net >From: "David Buckingham" <david.buckingham(a)xtra.co.nz> >To: "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> >Subject: RE: New hacking laws >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:37:34 +1200 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal >Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Hello All, > >Aardvark (aardvark.co.nz) made a comment this morning, which touched >directly on something I put to the select committee (Law and Order) in my >submission on the new hacking laws. > >That is - that with the law proposed (which is the result of a law >commission report 54 - "computer misuse" - May 1999 see www.lawcom.govt.nz >for a copy) governing hacking, interception and so on, soon to come into >force, how is it going to be enforced? > >Enforcement of criminal law is by police prosecuting after an investigation. >Which poses one of the most important questions of all - do the police have >the resources, background and skills to make investigations into serious >computer crime?, or computer crime for that matter? > >My recommendation to the select committee was to have a special unit for >computer crime, which is adequately funded, which solely investigates these >types of offences. > >I am interested to hear some feedback. - I have copies of a number of >documents related to this issue - and if you would like for me to let you >know how to get your hands on this information please let me know. > >David Buckingham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >[mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Wedgwood >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 5:57 p.m. >To: David Buckingham >Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: New hacking laws > >On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:01:20PM +1200, David Buckingham wrote: > > Would it be off topic to discuss the proposed new hacking laws? > > I am referring to the Crimes Amendment Bill (No.6) and its SOP 85. > >I see no reason why not... it's certainly more relevant than a lot of >what is discussed here. > > > > --cw >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Fwd: RE: New hacking laws
by Mark Foster 01 Apr '01

01 Apr '01

except that I didnt see a copy from the list.. :) At 20:07 2/04/2001 +1200, you wrote: >Fear, and respect the beauty of Bcc: > > >On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Mark Foster wrote: > > > I assume this was supposed to go to the list. > > > > >Delivered-To: blakjak-net-blakjak(a)blakjak.net > > >From: "David Buckingham" <david.buckingham(a)xtra.co.nz> > > >To: "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> > > >Subject: RE: New hacking laws > > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:37:34 +1200 > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > > >Importance: Normal > > >Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > >Hello All, > > > > > >Aardvark (aardvark.co.nz) made a comment this morning, which touched > > >directly on something I put to the select committee (Law and Order) in my > > >submission on the new hacking laws. > > > > > >That is - that with the law proposed (which is the result of a law > > >commission report 54 - "computer misuse" - May 1999 see www.lawcom.govt.nz > > >for a copy) governing hacking, interception and so on, soon to come into > > >force, how is it going to be enforced? > > > > > >Enforcement of criminal law is by police prosecuting after an > investigation. > > >Which poses one of the most important questions of all - do the police > have > > >the resources, background and skills to make investigations into serious > > >computer crime?, or computer crime for that matter? > > > > > >My recommendation to the select committee was to have a special unit for > > >computer crime, which is adequately funded, which solely investigates > these > > >types of offences. > > > > > >I am interested to hear some feedback. - I have copies of a number of > > >documents related to this issue - and if you would like for me to let you > > >know how to get your hands on this information please let me know. > > > > > >David Buckingham > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >[mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Wedgwood > > >Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 5:57 p.m. > > >To: David Buckingham > > >Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >Subject: Re: New hacking laws > > > > > >On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:01:20PM +1200, David Buckingham wrote: > > > > > > Would it be off topic to discuss the proposed new hacking laws? > > > > > > I am referring to the Crimes Amendment Bill (No.6) and its SOP 85. > > > > > >I see no reason why not... it's certainly more relevant than a lot of > > >what is discussed here. > > > > > > > > > > > > --cw > > >--------- > > >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >where the body of your message reads: > > >unsubscribe nznog > > > > > >--------- > > >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >where the body of your message reads: > > >unsubscribe nznog > > > > --------- > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > > > >Tim J. Shackleton ------------------+ +- Business http://www.netlink.co.nz/ >Networks Admin/Programmer ----------+ +- Personal http://www.netnet.net.nz/ >Netlink LTD -- DDI +64 4 922 8476 --+ +------------- Pager 64 +26 253 4356 >+64 29 650 476 -- Cellular ---------+ +------------------------------------ >----------------- " All your base are belong to us! " --------------------- > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New hacking laws
by David Buckingham 01 Apr '01

01 Apr '01

Afternoon, Would it be off topic to discuss the proposed new hacking laws? I am referring to the Crimes Amendment Bill (No.6) and its SOP 85. David Buckingham --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZ Undernet server
by Steve Phillips 01 Apr '01

01 Apr '01

At 15:58 2/04/2001, Tim Shackleton wrote: >Nothing an old-fashioned lynching won't fix :) I'll donate the rope/baseball bat -- Steve. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Apr '01

01 Apr '01

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Time for a change
by Andy Linton 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

Today's my last day at TelstraSaturn. I think it's also the end of an era for me. I've decided to take a break from being at the pointy end of IP operations - too many bellheads and not enough netheads for my liking. Of course, when the money runs out I may well be back grovelling for work. I'll still be on the list, lurking in a dark corner. So long and thanks for all the fish! andy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: History of Internet in New Zealand to current date (Off Topic, but what the hell..)
by Mark Davies 29 Mar '01

29 Mar '01

From: "fwetyson" <fwetyson(a)slingshot.co.nz> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:58:13 +1200 > Would be interested in the dates regarding VUW and Massey 1989 - about 6 months after the international link went in to Waikato having got fed up waiting for the computer centers to get something working. > Did these take place before Kawahiko and Tuia got on line > via NZGate? Yes. cheers mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: History of Internet in New Zealand to current date (Off Topic, but what the hell..)
by Mark Davies 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

From: Geoff Huston <gih(a)telstra.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:50:40 +1000 > Just a quick note from the other side of the Tasman - the earliest efforts > appeared to be at the Victoria University, Wellington, where the Computer > Science Department operated a modem-based trans-Tasman messaging service > through the eighties - I'm not sure whether the link used the uunet > protocols or the acsnet protocols, but I'm not sure thats all that > relevant. It linked up to a comparable Computer Science messaging network > in Australia. It was ACSnet to melbourne as well as uucp to Calgary and to uunet (actually it was initially seismo back in the pre uunet days). There was even a short period when email between here and canterbury went via calgary. > The first link was, as I recall, a 14.4Kbps analog modem > connection, installed in late 88 (or thereabouts) with NASA and NZ > funding. And the first NZ IP link out of Waikato was a slip link between here and there running over the DSIR's internal serial network with an 8086 based PCrouter at each end. That link ran at 9.6K though the DSIR constrained it to only 4.8K. That was quickly followed by a similar link from here to Massey. cheers mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re Messages from this list
by fwetyson 28 Mar '01

28 Mar '01

I checked my end and not CCing myself messages Whats the email command for checking my settings in the list Some lists allow you to change or reset your status this way Thanks in advance Frank Tyson Phone: 64211341826 Fax:+6445635927 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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www.ape.net.nz
by Simon Lyall 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

I've recently taken this over from Joe and it's now up on usenet.net.nz. Can people take a quick look and please email me any suggestions, updates and corrections for it. There are some errors and missing bits for participants on APE and other stuff needs fixed as well. http://www.ape.net.nz/ -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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