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Re: [nznog] CloudFlare Peering Blog
by McDonald Richards 02 Nov '14

02 Nov '14

Mobile in Australia is an oligarchy. Since the collapse of ISPone there seems to be an active effort being put in by the 3 mobile carriers (Telstra, Optus, VHA) to protect their margins and make it as difficult as possible for MVNOs to start up. Prepaid plans should not be that expensive - I have had worse experiences in Germany. Your home Internet is a different story. The caps exist to support the limited resource. Unlimited has been tried and is always abused. The wholesale access charges within Australia require ISP's set limits or it's the same as everyone leaving their taps running and lights on. Cloudflare's experience with Australian bandwidth pricing will be related to the costs charged by the tier 1 carriers (Optus, Telstra and AAPT [note: AAPT may have started peering; I am a little out of the game there now]). They will be seeking direct access to eyeballs and being charged for the privilege, much the same as the issues Netflix is facing with eyeball carriers in the USA. On the cost front, the underlying delivery cost for some of these networks is higher, as they try to keep consistent pricing across all regions of Australia. People in small towns pay the same prices as people in the largest cities. The country is big and the population density is low. Contrast that to Europe, and carriers there have a much easier time making money. Despite all of this, negotiating peering (paid or otherwise) in Europe with their incumbent carriers is just as difficult and costly as in Australia :) - unless you are Cloudflare-size and have hit that critical mass of outbound content that makes you attractive to these incumbents. Macca On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Petri Ojala <petri.ojala(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > We spend our winter in Sydney. While not directly related to the carrier > bandwidth costs, my mobile charges will triple and broadband internet cost > will be seven fold. > > In addition to the increased costs the services will be slower and I’m > getting data caps, which I don’t have in Europe. The offerings are > crippled by mandatory landlines, 24-month contracts and various other > requirements and fees. While one can get Telstra Cable without a minimum > contract, it comes with a mandatory landline that has penalties if > terminated too early. I won’t even go into details about the customer > experience getting the broadband.. > > I think it tells a story if CloudFare pays the same amount for Australia > as they do for all of Europe. I was actually thinking about buying Telstra > stock simply because it’s de-facto monopoly in the country and not much > light at the other end of the tunnel. > > Petri > > On 3 November 2014 at 10:14:21, McDonald Richards ( > mcdonald.richards(a)gmail.com) wrote: > > Keep in mind that this refers to "Benchmark pricing" with $10 being the > benchmark for the USA. > > Do your own math and draw conclusions from that extrapolation :) > > Macca > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Dean Pemberton <nznog(a)deanpemberton.com> > wrote: > >> Interesting article from CloudFlare... >> >> >> http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ >> >> While NZ isn't mentioned I'm picking we get lumped in with Australia >> for which they have this to say... >> >> "Australia >> >> Australia is the most expensive region in which we operate, but for an >> interesting reason. We peer with virtually every ISP in the region >> except one: Telstra. Telstra, which controls approximately 50% of the >> market, and was traditionally the monopoly telecom provider, charges >> some of the highest transit pricing in the world — 20x the benchmark >> ($200/Mbps). Given that we are able to peer approximately half of our >> traffic, the effective bandwidth benchmark price is $100/Mbps. >> >> To give you some sense of how out-of-whack Australia is, at CloudFlare >> we pay about as much every month for bandwidth to serve all of Europe >> as we do to for Australia. That’s in spite of the fact that >> approximately 33x the number of people live in Europe (750 million) >> versus Australia (22 million). >> >> If Australians wonder why Internet and many other services are more >> expensive in their country than anywhere else in the world they need >> only look to Telstra. What's interesting is that Telstra maintains >> their high pricing even if only delivering traffic inside the country. >> Given that Australia is one large land mass with relatively >> concentrated population centers, it's difficult to justify the pricing >> based on anything other than Telstra's market power. In regions like >> North America where there is increasing consolidation of networks, >> Australia's experience with Telstra provides a cautionary tale." >> _______________________________________________ >> NZNOG mailing list >> NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >> > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >

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CloudFlare Peering Blog
by Dean Pemberton 02 Nov '14

02 Nov '14

Interesting article from CloudFlare... http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ While NZ isn't mentioned I'm picking we get lumped in with Australia for which they have this to say... "Australia Australia is the most expensive region in which we operate, but for an interesting reason. We peer with virtually every ISP in the region except one: Telstra. Telstra, which controls approximately 50% of the market, and was traditionally the monopoly telecom provider, charges some of the highest transit pricing in the world — 20x the benchmark ($200/Mbps). Given that we are able to peer approximately half of our traffic, the effective bandwidth benchmark price is $100/Mbps. To give you some sense of how out-of-whack Australia is, at CloudFlare we pay about as much every month for bandwidth to serve all of Europe as we do to for Australia. That’s in spite of the fact that approximately 33x the number of people live in Europe (750 million) versus Australia (22 million). If Australians wonder why Internet and many other services are more expensive in their country than anywhere else in the world they need only look to Telstra. What's interesting is that Telstra maintains their high pricing even if only delivering traffic inside the country. Given that Australia is one large land mass with relatively concentrated population centers, it's difficult to justify the pricing based on anything other than Telstra's market power. In regions like North America where there is increasing consolidation of networks, Australia's experience with Telstra provides a cautionary tale."

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Call for Papers - APRICOT 2015
by Dean Pemberton 02 Nov '14

02 Nov '14

Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies (APRICOT) 24th February - 6th March 2015, Fukuoka, Japan https://2015.apricot.net CALL FOR PAPERS =============== The APRICOT 2015 Programme Committee is now seeking contributions for Presentations and Tutorials for APRICOT 2015. We are looking for presenters who would: - Offer a technical tutorial on an appropriate topic; - Participate in the technical conference sessions as a speaker; - Convene and chair panel sessions of relevant topics. Please submit on-line at: http://papers.apricot.net/user/login.php?event=19 CONFERENCE MILESTONES --------------------- Call for Papers Opens: 1 November 2014 First Draft Program Published: 6 December 2014 Final Deadline for Submissions: 7 February 2015 Final Program Published: 14 February 2015 Final Slides Received: 21 February 2015 PROGRAMME MATERIAL ------------------ The APRICOT Programme is organised in three parts, including workshops, tutorials and the conference. Topics for tutorials and the conference must be relevant to Internet Operations and Technologies: - IPv4 / IPv6 Routing and operations - IPv6 deployment and transition technologies - Internet backbone operations - ISP and Carrier services - IXPs and Peering - Research on Internet Operations and Deployment - Japan Internet - Software Defined Networking / Network Function Virtualisaton - Network security issues (NSP-SEC, DDoS, Anti-Spam, Anti-Malware) - DNS / DNSSEC - Internet policy (Security, Regulation, Content Management, Addressing, etc) - Access and Transport Technologies, including Cable/DSL, 3G/LTE, wireless, metro ethernet, fibre, MPLS - Content & Service Delivery (Multicast, Voice, Video, "telepresence", Gaming) and Cloud Computing CfP SUBMISSION -------------- Draft slides for both tutorials and conference sessions MUST be provided with CfP submissions otherwise the Programme Committee will be unable to review the submission. For work in progress, the most current information available at time of submission is acceptable. All draft and complete slides must be submitted in PDF format only. Final slides are to be provided by the specified deadline for publication on the APRICOT website. Prospective presenters should note that the majority of speaking slots will be filled well before the final submission deadline. The PC will retain a limited number of slots up to the final submission deadline for presentations that are exceptionally timely, important, or of critical operational importance. Please submit on-line at: http://papers.apricot.net/user/login.php?event=19 Any questions or concerns should be addressed to the Programme Committee by e-mail at: pc-chairs at apricot.net We look forward to receiving your presentation proposals. Mark Tinka, Raphael Ho & Dean Pemberton Co-Chairs, APRICOT Programme Committee

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Cableways rack - offer me beer and it's yours (Auckland)
by David Robb 28 Oct '14

28 Oct '14

I have a surplus-to-requirements cableways rack available to a good home. It’s in Auckland (Blockhouse Bay), and you have to come and pick it up. https://paradise.gen.nz/stuff/rack.jpg If you want to give me money for it, that’d be great, if the best offer is someone who’ll just take it away, that’ll do. Thanks, David

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Moving Phone Lines
by Skeeve Stevens 28 Oct '14

28 Oct '14

Hey all, I have a site in Albany NZ that is merging with a site in the city. They have multiple indials - could be ISDN, I am not sure... they also have multiple 0800's and another 0508 number. We aren't really sure how these are delivered and by who. Does anyone know how I could find this out? ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.co.nz ; www.eintellegonetworks.co.nz Phone: +612 8014 7398; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering

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NZNOG Power Leads and Multiboards
by Mark Foster 28 Oct '14

28 Oct '14

Hi Folks I'm trying to track down the NZNOG pool of power leads and multiboards; i'm hoping to borrow these if possible. Queries to the NZNOG conference team don't seem to be going anywhere and i'm not sure who the organisers for this year are, to ping them personally. Does anyone know the wherabouts of these? Offlist responses perhaps most appropriate. Thanks Mark.

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openvz vm's
by Tony Wicks 24 Oct '14

24 Oct '14

I've noticed openvz VM's on several different international hosing providers have all dropped out at once (currently down), anyone else seeing this ? cheers

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Vodafone VSI / Spark SecureME
by Tom Henderson 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi All I'm interested in some feedback (off list) from anyone using either Vodafone VSI or Spark's SecureME offerings. We're currently looking into both of these for a group of hospitality outlets. Cheers Tom Henderson IT Manager | Pack & Company | 027 461 4403 | 09 929 2750 | tom(a)pack.co.nz -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must not disclose, copy, or distribute any information contained in or attached to it, or take any action/inaction based on it. Please contact us immediately, and delete this email from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and not of Pack & Company (NZ) Limited (the "Company"), however any intellectual property contained in or attached to this email is the property of the Company. Thank you.

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Unwanted Traffic Removal Service (UTRS)
by Dean Pemberton 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

The latest useful community service from Team Cymru ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Kristoff <jtk(a)cymru.com> [ Apologies if you have seen this elsewhere already - jtk ] Friends and colleagues, Last week I briefly discussed a new project we've recently launched and for which invited participation from the NANOG 62 attendees. This is a not so subtle wider request for consideration. UTRS is essentially a community RTBH that people have suggested to us would be a good service to provide, so we're giving it a go. The lightning talk page has the slide deck I presented: <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/abstract?id=2436> I've also put some additional technical detail here: <http://www.cymru.com/jtk/misc/utrs.html> There was a brief discussion, mostly criticism and that is fine, that took place on the NANOG list you may wish to review. If you have an assigned ASN and this sounds like something you or your network would like to take advantage of, drop me a line, I'd sure like to hear about it. If you think this is a terrible idea and want to express all that is wrong with it, tell me that too, I can take it. Even if you're unsure if you would ultimately deploy it in production, but are interested in testing it, do contact me. We won't expend energy on this project and will drop it if we there isn't sufficient interest from the community, but enough trial users would be encouraging. Kindly, John

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Facebook NOC
by Stan Rivett 14 Oct '14

14 Oct '14

Hi guys Has anyone had any luck communicating with Facebook network operations in the past? They appear to be filtering our shiny new /22 and it is making clients somewhat grumpy. Cheers Stan Rivett ------------------ Netspeed Data Ltd PO Box 5691 Dunedin P: +64 3 481 7245 C: +64 21 323 841 ------------------

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