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alcohol
by Joe Abley 15 Oct '98

15 Oct '98

Apologies for the very beery nature of these messages. Just in case anybody turns up and wonders where all the free beer is, I won't be over at Galbraith's until shortly after 6. Note that this is not an implicit confirmation of the availabity of free beer :) -- Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Drinks Tonight?!?
by Rowan Smith 15 Oct '98

15 Oct '98

Between all the intelligent talk about renumbering New Zealands IP Address space did anyone actually commit to going to Galbraiths tonight for a beer ot not? Remember you only have to agree with Joe until hes forked over for the alcohol, then you can start arguing again!! -Rowan

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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 15 Oct '98

15 Oct '98

Hi. Here is a table of OSPF advertisements at NZIX and BGP announcements in Europe, the AS number for the corresponding BGP advertisment as seen in Europe, and the first descr line in the APNIC database. It may give a good indication of the current use of NZGATE (and NZNIC) addresses. If the /16's are removed, would this represent (say within 20%) of the address space in use today? -Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 202.27.0.0/16 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.100.0/22 4768 Bell South Auckland 202.27.103.0/24 4768 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.104.0/22 7714 Nelson City Council 202.27.113.0/24 4648 Combines Rural Traders, Otago 202.27.115.0/24 4768 Bay of Plenty Polytech 202.27.119.0/24 4763 CEDENCO FOODS LTD 202.27.120.0/22 4768 Asia Pacific World Travel Ltd 202.27.120.0/24 4768 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.128.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.132.0/24 4648 Tip Top Ice Cream Company Ltd 202.27.138.0/24 4648 Telecom Mobile Communications 202.27.140.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.146.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.148.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.149.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.150.0/24 4648 Telecom Directories NZ Limited 202.27.151.0/24 4648 Telecom Directories Limited 202.27.156.0/22 4648 Telecom Online Service 202.27.16.0/20 4657 Singapore Press Holdings Ltd./Information Technology Division 202.27.160.0/24 4648 The Great Elk Company Limited 202.27.169.0/24 4648 Netway Communications Ltd 202.27.176.0/21 4648 Telecom Online Service 202.27.184.0/23 4648 Telecom Online Service 202.27.186.0/23 4648 NetAccess 202.27.192.0/24 4648 Madison Systems Limited 202.27.193.0/24 4648 IDG Communications Limited 202.27.194.0/24 4648 Hybrid Systems Limited 202.27.195.0/24 4648 New Zealand Dairy Foods 202.27.197.0/24 4763 New Zealand Microcomputer Club Inc 202.27.198.0/24 4763 Hypercom Communication Technologies Ltd 202.27.200.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.201.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.203.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.204.0/24 4648 NZNET Internet Services Ltd. 202.27.208.0/24 4648 Advanced Digital Business Solutions 202.27.209.0/24 4648 Telecom Business Systems 202.27.210.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.211.0/24 4763 Phillips Fox 202.27.212.0/24 4763 Kings College Auckland 202.27.213.0/24 4763 Pharos System Ltd 202.27.214.0/24 4763 MaC Consultants 202.27.215.0/24 4763 Citadel Computer Systems Ltd 202.27.216.0/24 4763 Building Information 202.27.217.0/24 4763 Datasure Management Systems 202.27.218.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.219.0/24 4763 I-Sys Training Services 202.27.222.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.223.0/24 4763 Show-Off New Zealand Limited 202.27.232.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.234.0/24 4648 Wickliffe Press Limited 202.27.236.0/24 4763 Howick Intermediate School 202.27.240.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.241.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.242.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.243.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.244.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.247.0/24 4763 Gisborne District Council 202.27.248.0/24 4763 Netbyte Internet Service Provider 202.27.250.0/24 4763 W. Stevenson & Sons Ltd. 202.27.251.0/24 4763 Harrahs Sky City 202.27.252.0/24 4648 Lion Nathan Limited 202.27.254.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.255.0/24 4648 Netway Communications Limited 202.27.34.0/24 7714 Marine-Air Systems Ltd. 202.27.40.0/21 7714 Fujitsu New Zealand Limited 202.27.54.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.60.0/22 4648 J.D. Edwards 202.27.64.0/22 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.66.0/24 7714 Bits & Bytes 202.27.68.0/24 7714 Government Within Reach 202.27.70.0/24 7714 Association Of University Staff 202.27.71.0/24 7714 Crown Institute Of Studies 202.27.72.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.76.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.78.0/23 7714 New Zealand Society of Accountants 202.27.81.0/24 4768 IT Communications Ltd 202.27.82.0/24 7714 Haines Recruitment Advertising 202.27.83.0/24 7714 NZ Products and Services 202.27.85.0/24 4648 Wanganui Polytechnic Internet 202.27.86.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.87.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.88.0/22 7714 Brooker's Ltd 202.27.92.0/22 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.27.96.0/24 4648 Tauranga District Library 202.27.99.0/24 4648 Health Research Council of New Zealand 202.36.0.0/16 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.103.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.110.0/24 4648 International Pacific College 202.36.111.0/24 4648 Whitcoulls Office Products 202.36.112.0/24 4648 Whitcoulls Ltd, National Office 202.36.113.0/24 4648 Whitcoulls School Supplies 202.36.114.0/24 7714 Diagnostic Laboratory 202.36.121.0/24 4648 Napier Computer Systems 202.36.122.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.123.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.124.0/24 4648 Shirley Boys High School 202.36.125.0/24 4648 Shirley Boys High School 202.36.134.0/23 4648 Horticulture and Food Research Institute Limited 202.36.137.0/24 7714 Ministry for the Environment 202.36.140.0/24 4648 OTC OFFICE SUPPLIES LTD. 202.36.141.0/24 7714 Wellington College of Education 202.36.147.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.148.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.149.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.150.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.151.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.152.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.153.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.154.0/24 7714 Manukau City Council 202.36.155.0/24 4648 TIMARU DISTRICT COUNCIL 202.36.157.0/24 7714 Genesis Research and Development Corporation Ltd 202.36.162.0/23 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.164.0/22 7714 Adis International 202.36.170.0/24 4768 EARTHLIGHT COMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.36.171.0/24 7714 CPS Systems (NZ) Ltd 202.36.173.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.174.0/24 4648 Ecolink Networking Service 202.36.175.0/24 4648 Northland Regional Council 202.36.178.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.179.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.181.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.192.0/22 7714 Computer Systems Implementation Limited 202.36.196.0/24 7714 General Automation 202.36.198.0/24 7714 Interconnect, Ltd. 202.36.202.0/24 4768 Business Computers Ltd. 202.36.204.0/23 4648 Actrix Networks Ltd 202.36.206.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.207.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.208.0/24 4648 Production Engineeering (New Zealand) Ltd. 202.36.209.0/24 4763 Internet Hawkes Bay Limited 202.36.210.0/24 2687 Worley Consultants Ltd 202.36.214.0/23 4805 Manawatu Wanganui Regional Council 202.36.218.0/24 4648 Allied Press Limited 202.36.220.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.221.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.224.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.226.0/24 4648 Internet Connectivity Associates 202.36.227.0/24 4768 Serious Information Services 202.36.229.0/24 7714 Sofrana Utilities 202.36.230.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.231.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.235.0/24 7714 CED Distributors Ltd 202.36.239.0/24 7714 I-Max 202.36.240.0/24 7714 Binary Brothers 202.36.244.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.245.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.251.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.252.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.28.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.29.0/24 7714 MAF Fisheries Marine Research 202.36.30.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.31.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.32.0/24 4648 Delphic Medical Systems Ltd. 202.36.33.0/24 7714 Television New Zealand 202.36.34.0/24 7714 Building Research Association of NZ 202.36.35.0/24 4740 Galen Group 202.36.36.0/22 4648 Internet Company of New Zealand 202.36.43.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.44.0/24 7714 Scientific Software and Systems Ltd. 202.36.45.0/24 7714 Eagle Technology Group 202.36.46.0/24 7714 Lynx Communications 202.36.60.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.64.0/22 4648 National Library of New Zealand 202.36.68.0/23 4648 Financial Systems Limited 202.36.7.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.70.0/24 7714 Kiwi BBS System 202.36.72.0/24 7714 NetLink network 202.36.75.0/24 4763 Tairawhiti Polytechnic 202.36.76.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.77.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.80.0/21 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.80.0/24 7714 GEAC Computers NZ Limited 202.36.83.0/24 4763 Com Tech (N.Z.) Limited 202.36.91.0/24 4768 Clearview Communications Ltd 202.36.94.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.95.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.95.128/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.36.95.64/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.37.0.0/16 4648 202.37.0.0/20 4648 The Open Polytechnic of New Zealand 202.37.0.0/20 7714 The Open Polytechnic of New Zealand 202.37.100.0/24 4648 Cave Rock Software Limited 202.37.101.0/24 4648 MacAccess 202.37.102.0/24 4648 Christchurch Schools 202.37.104.0/24 4648 Riccarton High School 202.37.105.0/24 4648 Riccarton High School 202.37.106.0/24 4648 Sirranet Ltd 202.37.107.0/24 4648 Sirranet Ltd 202.37.108.0/24 4648 Hindin Communications Ltd. 202.37.111.0/24 4648 Hindin Communications Ltd. 202.37.112.0/24 7714 PlaNet FreeNZ ISP 202.37.114.0/24 7714 Christ's College 202.37.116.0/24 4648 Piopio College 202.37.117.0/24 4763 Lynfield College 202.37.118.0/24 4763 West Auckland Education Centre 202.37.120.0/24 4648 Macpac Wilderness Equipment Limited 202.37.127.0/24 4648 Email-Centre 202.37.129.0/24 4648 E-VerNet Ltd 202.37.132.0/24 4740 CASystems 202.37.135.0/24 4740 Datamatic 202.37.137.0/24 4648 MegaDyne Communications Ltd 202.37.138.0/23 4648 MegaDyne Communications Ltd 202.37.140.0/22 4648 Geothermal Energy NZ LTD 202.37.144.0/21 4648 202.37.156.0/22 4768 Ciga Computers Ltd 202.37.160.0/24 4763 New Zealand Funds Management Ltd 202.37.162.0/24 4648 Designer Technology Limited 202.37.165.0/24 4648 New Zealand Trade Centre 202.37.166.0/24 7714 Diocesan School for Girls 202.37.167.0/24 4648 Worldnet BBS 202.37.168.0/24 4763 Worldnet BBS 202.37.169.0/24 4763 AGB Research NZ Limited 202.37.170.0/24 4648 Pacific Business Systems 202.37.171.0/24 4648 Financial & Media Services (NZ) Ltd, Auckland 202.37.173.0/24 7714 Diocesan School for Girls 202.37.176.0/23 4763 202.37.176.0/24 4763 Cypher Systems Ltd 202.37.181.0/24 4648 CORPORATE SOFTWARE NZ 202.37.182.0/24 4648 The Atlantean Connection Ltd 202.37.184.0/22 4648 Intermilk 202.37.188.0/22 4768 Southern InterNet Services Ltd 202.37.192.0/23 2687 Worley Consultants LTD 202.37.192.0/24 2687 Worley Consultants LTD 202.37.193.0/24 2687 Worley Consultants LTD 202.37.194.0/24 4648 Canuck Computer Services NZ 202.37.194.1/32 4648 Canuck Computer Services NZ 202.37.197.0/24 4648 Internet Company of New Zealand 202.37.200.0/22 4648 Internet Company of New Zealand 202.37.21.0/24 4648 Ministry of Forestry 202.37.218.0/23 4768 Enhanced Information Systems 202.37.222.0/24 4648 SEACOH Training Institute 202.37.223.0/24 4763 Pasadena Intermediate School 202.37.224.0/21 4648 Internet Company of New Zealand Wellington 202.37.23.0/24 7714 Ministry Of Agriculture 202.37.232.0/24 4648 New Lynn Database Limited 202.37.234.0/24 4648 Pearson Davis Ltd Advertising 202.37.235.0/24 7714 Diocesan School for Girls 202.37.236.0/22 4648 Telecom Internet Services 202.37.24.0/24 4648 Butterworths of NZ Ltd 202.37.240.0/23 4648 2Day Internet Limited 202.37.244.0/24 4648 202.37.245.0/24 4648 202.37.245.176/30 4648 202.37.245.180/30 4648 202.37.245.32/30 4648 202.37.245.40/30 4648 202.37.245.42/32 4648 202.37.248.0/24 4648 Meadow Fresh Foods 202.37.249.0/24 4648 Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited 202.37.250.0/23 4648 Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited 202.37.252.0/24 4648 Level 5, CMC Building, 89 Courtnay Place 202.37.253.0/24 4648 Molesworth House, 101 Molesworth Street 202.37.254.0/24 2687 Paxus House, Boulcott Street 202.37.27.0/24 7714 Electricity Market Company Limited 202.37.32.0/23 7714 Ministry of Education 202.37.42.0/24 4648 Southland Polytech 202.37.43.0/24 4648 Southland Polytech 202.37.44.0/24 4648 James Cook High School 202.37.45.0/24 4648 Netway Communications Ltd 202.37.48.0/24 4648 Datacraft New Zealand limited 202.37.49.0/24 4648 Datacraft New Zealand limited 202.37.50.0/24 4648 Datacraft New Zealand limited 202.37.51.0/24 4648 Datacraft New Zealand limited 202.37.52.0/24 7714 Ministry of Fisheries 202.37.54.0/24 7714 N.Z Telecommunications System Support Center Ltd 202.37.56.0/23 7714 A.J Park And Son 202.37.60.0/22 7714 Whangarei District Council 202.37.64.0/21 4763 NetLink network 202.37.64.0/24 4763 Auckland City Council 202.37.68.0/24 4763 202.37.69.0/24 4763 202.37.70.0/24 4763 202.37.71.0/24 4763 202.37.72.0/23 7714 202.37.74.0/24 4648 Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences Limited 202.37.75.0/24 4763 Orion Systems Limited 202.37.76.0/24 4648 Optimation New Zealand Ltd 202.37.77.0/24 4648 InterNet Connectivity Associates Ltd 202.37.78.0/24 4763 Auckland 202.37.79.0/24 4648 Weta Internet Services 202.37.81.0/24 4648 Diagnostic Laboratory 202.37.84.0/24 4648 P&O Services (NZ) Ltd 202.37.85.0/24 7714 OSI Software Limited 202.37.86.0/24 4648 InterNet Connectivity Associates Ltd 202.37.87.0/24 4648 InterNet Connectivity Associates Ltd 202.37.88.0/24 4648 The University of Auckland (2nd) DMZ 202.37.89.0/24 4648 Northland Regional Council 202.37.93.0/24 2687 Honda NZ Ltd 202.37.94.0/24 4763 2Day Internet Limited 202.37.96.0/23 4648 Tait Electronics 202.37.99.0/24 4648 Christchurch School of Medicine 202.49.0.0/16 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.0.0/21 4648 Otago Polytechnic 202.49.0.0/21 4768 Otago Polytechnic 202.49.104.0/24 4648 SEACOH Training Institute 202.49.107.0/24 4648 Multimedia Systems Limited, Auckland 202.49.115.0/24 4648 Internet Southland 202.49.116.0/22 4648 Dunedin City Council 202.49.120.0/24 4648 Dunstan Software 202.49.121.0/24 4648 Internet Southland 202.49.122.0/24 4648 Apple Education Centre 202.49.125.0/24 4648 South Net Ltd 202.49.128.0/21 4768 BCL Ltd 202.49.136.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.137.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.140.0/24 7714 PlaNet Trust 202.49.141.0/24 4763 Kapiti Internet Services 202.49.143.0/24 4648 The National Bank. 202.49.144.0/24 4648 Glazier Systems Limited 202.49.148.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.149.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.151.0/24 4648 Avonside Girls High School 202.49.152.0/21 4648 Internet Access Service Provider 202.49.16.0/20 4768 Nelson Polytechnic 202.49.164.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.165.0/24 4763 PlaNet Hamilton 202.49.166.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.167.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.168.0/24 4648 EnterNet Online Limited 202.49.170.0/24 4648 Arron Scott Developments 202.49.172.0/22 4648 TV3 Network Services 202.49.176.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.177.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.178.0/24 4768 Wave internet services 202.49.179.0/24 4740 ARAC Enterprises Limited 202.49.180.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.180.64/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.181.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.181.0/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.181.128/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.181.192/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.181.64/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.183.0/24 4648 Brice Parker Consultants 202.49.184.0/24 4648 Applied Computers Ltd 202.49.185.0/24 4648 John Houlker Internet 202.49.186.0/24 4648 Efficient Software New Zealand Limited 202.49.186.0/28 4648 Efficient Software New Zealand Limited 202.49.187.0/24 4768 Earthlight Communications Ltd 202.49.189.0/24 4763 Pakuranga College 202.49.190.0/24 4648 National Library of New Zealand 202.49.193.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.194.0/24 7714 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.197.0/24 7714 Computer Systems Implementation Limited 202.49.198.0/23 4648 Wanganui Polytechnic - Internet 202.49.206.0/24 7714 The Laptop Shop Ltd 202.49.208.0/21 7714 Additional Class-C nets to support expansion of 202.49.224.0/22 4768 Serious Information Services 202.49.230.0/24 4768 Reed Publishing 202.49.233.0/24 4763 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.240.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.241.0/24 7657 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.241.64/26 7657 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.242.0/24 7657 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.244.0/22 4648 The Internet Group in Northland 202.49.249.0/24 4648 Efficient Software New Zealand Limited 202.49.250.0/24 4648 Maximum Warp 202.49.251.0/24 4648 Stretton & Co. Limited 202.49.252.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.253.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.255.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.255.0/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.255.128/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.255.192/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.255.64/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.33.0/24 4768 Computer Systems Engineering (NZ) Ltd 202.49.34.0/23 4648 Hamilton City Council 202.49.36.0/24 4768 Waikato Development Foundation 202.49.39.0/24 4648 National Library of New Zealand 202.49.41.0/24 4648 Rural Education Activities Program 202.49.46.0/23 4768 Computer Systems Engineering (NZ) Ltd 202.49.48.0/24 4768 Rotorua District Council 202.49.50.0/24 7714 Matamata Piako District Council 202.49.58.0/24 4648 Kristin School 202.49.62.0/24 4763 Clearfield Consulting Ltd 202.49.63.0/24 4768 Wave internet services 202.49.64.0/21 4648 Plain Communications Ltd 202.49.72.0/22 7714 Teltrend NZ Ltd, Christchurch, New Zealand. 202.49.78.0/24 4648 Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences Limited 202.49.79.0/24 4648 Doughty Group 202.49.80.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.81.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.82.0/24 4805 Massey University, Information Technology Services 202.49.84.0/24 7714 Hardcastle Electronics Ltd 202.49.86.0/24 4768 Ergo Finacial Services 202.49.88.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.112/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.12/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.124/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.132/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.156/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.224/27 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.32/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.33/32 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.36/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.88.8/30 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.89.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.89.0/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.89.128/26 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.90.0/23 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.49.92.0/22 4648 Nelson Planet Trust 202.49.96.0/21 4648 Bank Of New Zealand 202.50.0.0/16 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.0.0/23 4648 NZI Insurance Ltd 202.50.102.0/24 7714 ANSO Systems Ltd 202.50.103.0/24 4648 Random 202.50.104.0/22 4648 Tasman District Council 202.50.108.0/24 4763 Advanced Digital Business Solutions 202.50.111.0/24 4763 CA-Systems Limited 202.50.112.0/24 4768 Gough Technology Group 202.50.114.0/24 4763 Advanced Digital Business Solutions 202.50.117.0/24 4768 Skope Industries Ltd 202.50.121.0/24 4648 Stimulus (NZ) Ltd. 202.50.124.0/22 4648 PlaNet (NZ) Nelson 202.50.129.0/24 4648 Ministry of Defence 202.50.130.0/23 4768 Wattie Frozen Foods 202.50.137.0/24 7714 Chelmer Treasury Solutions Ltd. 202.50.139.0/24 7714 Datastor (NZ) Ltd. 202.50.162.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.164.0/24 4763 Magicians BBS Network 202.50.165.0/24 4648 Accident Rehabilitation Compensation and Insurance Corporation 202.50.167.0/24 4648 THENETTD 202.50.169.0/24 4648 Eastern Southland Internet 202.50.170.0/24 4648 Business Internet Solutions 202.50.171.0/24 4648 Inet Co Ltd 202.50.177.0/24 4768 Quantum Internet Limited 202.50.178.0/23 4768 Planet(NZ) Timaru 202.50.185.0/24 2687 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.186.0/24 2687 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.188.0/22 4768 Wave internet services 202.50.196.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.197.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.198.0/24 4648 National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd 202.50.199.0/24 4648 Landcare Research Limited 202.50.200.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.201.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service Provider 202.50.202.0/24 4648 NZ Gate National Service 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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by Michael Newbery 14 Oct '98

14 Oct '98

>>>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> - 10/14/98 6:24 PM >>> >On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 05:42:38PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >> >> Do people, when they move house, get pissed at telecom that they >> can't alway take their phone number with them? Is telecom being >> unreasonable here? > >They will, actually, as long as your new connection is off the same >exchange. Funnily enough, this is a matter that Saturn is very aware of :-|. Yes, they do, and yes, they are. At least, within the same local area. Just to be awkward, consider a cell phone number. The cell networks are set up to divorce indentity from locality. Landline telephone networks are less well set up, but still capable. In fact the situation is much as for IP---the exchanges have to maintain lookup tables that say "send *this* number *there*", rather than using rule based routing. Where IP and the telephone system differ is that this cost is incurred only at call setup (which is why TCNZ's current policy is iniquitous) whereas IP routes individual packets. But that's what caches are for. Back to the subject at hand. Back when we set up the VUW network, we had about 12 (from memory) machines set up using an invalid IP network 'plucked from the air'. This was before the private address ranges. When we got our class B (where we argued that although we did not have more than 254 machines, we would some day. Try that now :-). I recall the pain in moving. For only 12 machines. When I got here I found (invalid) IP addresses hard coded in all sorts of unfortunate places. Most had been set up by 3rd party equipment suppliers. Some were due to lazy (and IP-unaware) programmers. The point I am making is: Do NOT underestimate the pain caused by IP renumbering. Now that everyone and his dog is using IP, all sorts of pieces of equipment you might not expect have addresses buried deep with in them, and 18 mo down the track this fact is unknown to the current keepers of the key. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-915 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 14 Oct '98

14 Oct '98

Hi Robert, Thanks for the excellent perspective on this issue. I'll only make a few comments. > 3. New entrants should not be disadvantaged (as they would be if we have one > set of rules for NZGATE addresses) and should also be able to obtain > provider independent addresses on terms no less attractive than existing > operators enjoy. For entrants who expect to need a reasonable amount of address space, there is little difference. The situation for those needing less is, unfortunately, difficult because small blocks of newly obtained addresses are unlikely to be routable. However, new entrants may be able to use NATs or otherwise build their systems to allow easy renumbering. The main problem for existing users is that changing can be difficult, expensive, and not commercially viable because few had anticipated a need to ever have to renumber (and the systems to make this easy were not available then). > 4. Incentives to corporates in particular to relinquish unused addresses This is an excellent idea. Perhaps all the incentives are already there (improved security, portability, future proofing, shorter outages from route flapping, etc). Perhaps we put together a readable document on the subject and distribute it widely. Providing incentives is certainly a much better approach than trying to coerce people into migrating -- and maybe we could get corporates to migrate without moving (resulting in more migration). > One of the elements missing here in NZ is the idea of a Local Internet > Registry, see http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-159.html (which is kind of what > I thought NZGATE was). I think lots of others did too, including APNIC. -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 13 Oct '98

13 Oct '98

Hi. > Who do you propose will pay the end users for the pain and real costs > involved? The ISPs have the easy part of this renumbering. I don't see > people renumbering because it's the right thing to do. They'll do it > because they have to e.g. when they move ISP. But if they have a /24 they don't have to. What this group is attempting to do is impose costs on the end users only if they try to move ISPs. It's a great way to lock up your clients. There is no technical reason to make users renumber when they move (just as there is no strong reason to make everyone move for the sake of moving). Getting everyone to migrate seems to be a goal, but yet by making users renumber only when they move, you will slow movement and thus migration. Importantly, the current proposal is not workable. The first client whose renumbering exercise is expensive will likely seek an injuction against any provider attempting to enforce these ideas. The balance of convenience would favor the end user and not the provider (who will suffer zero or no loss or convenience as a result of the end user not renumbering). In the case of an ISP, web hosting company, or business which depends on the Internet (and that's a good percentage of them now), not changing providers may not be a viable option. By opening the door with an N month grace period you are only showing everyone that it's technically possible but that you don't want to do it for commercial reasons. Restrictions on portability have never been _introduced_ anywhere else for _historical_ IP addresses. Half the root name servers are running on /24s -- every wonder why that is? I see no real benefit here -- we will still have ISPs moving these addresses around for years to come (the proposal rightly allows for that) -- what reason makes routes for ISPs look any different than routes for end users? How about we just agree to ask clients with NZGATE number to renumber on moves (we have a form/statement we all agree to give them), but eliminate any requirement to renumber)? -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by Robert Gray 13 Oct '98

13 Oct '98

Clearly this subject has provoked some very considered discussion on the subject of address portability. For those interested RIPE-127 (http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-127.html) provides a useful and lucid dissertation on the subject and offers a number of sensible recommendations. To selectively quote "All early Internet address space assignments were provider independent. Many assignments made by ISPs are also formally provider independent because they lack the clear prior understanding between ISP and customer that the assignment will end with the termination of the service." On the historical side regarding NZGATE I personally believe this is the key issue, i.e. unless you were told the space was not portable then it is. This however begs the question of how best to organise for the future. We are not an ISP in the accepted sense as we do not offer connectivity except as part of an overall package. We are however a significant user of IP addresses for web and mail servers. Joe's possible solution and the discussion so far causes us some concern. Having recently been through the process of re-numbering and implementing NAT it proved a major undertaking and one I would hesitate to repeat. We made a number of errors resulting in outages for our clients and irritation to our suppliers and I am at a loss to see how these could have been avoided. Hopefully with NAT now in place we would make it a little easier however the number and scope of DNS changes, firewall changes, authentication changes and the fact that these must occur in one 'hit' makes it commercially pretty unacceptable. With today's firewalls/proxy servers there should be no issue for even large corporates to renumber over time, given incentive to do so. IPv6 should give this if no other reason. Smaller providers however are faced with significant problems in re-numbering which although they may seem small time are in fact relatively expensive and difficult for such an operator to overcome. We now have an example where one of our clients has been enticed by the offer of a /24 by another ISP with NZGATE addresses to burn, something we are unable to provide. I have to say that I consider this sort of behaviour seriously unethical. For me, key elements of a solution are: 1. Access providers should not be able to hold downstream operators to ransom by withholding IP addresses and forcing such users to renumber if they move. 2. The solution should offer all existing ISP players long term access to the provider independent IP addresses they need to do business. In other words a level playing field. 3. New entrants should not be disadvantaged (as they would be if we have one set of rules for NZGATE addresses) and should also be able to obtain provider independent addresses on terms no less attractive than existing operators enjoy. 4. Incentives to corporates in particular to relinquish unused addresses One of the elements missing here in NZ is the idea of a Local Internet Registry, see http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-159.html (which is kind of what I thought NZGATE was). To quote again "Local IRs are typically operated by ISPs and serve the customers of those ISPs as well as the customers of smaller ISPs who are connected to the rest of the Internet through the larger ISP." Seems to me that a Local IR might be really useful. If I can contribute a beer sounds like an excellent scheme. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Acceptable Use Policy
by Donald Neal 13 Oct '98

13 Oct '98

NZNOG Subscribers, Below is the Acceptable Use Policy of the North American Network Operators' Group mailing list. I suspect in may be about time this list acquired such a policy, though possibly without quite so many dire warnings. It is indeed true that this list is not a cartel of any kind, and IP renumbering is clearly relevant, but it may be a good idea to have some sort of policy in place before it is needed rather than afterwards. In the absence of any feedback to this posting I intend to suggest to list subscribers the adoption of a policy bearing some resemblance to what appears below. Donald Neal NZNOG list owner/administrator/muggins ---------- Charter The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of specific implementation issues that require cooperation among network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, the list will now be governed by the following guidelines: Acceptable Use Policy 1.Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG. 2.Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. 3.Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 4.Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are prohibited. 5.Blatant product marketing is unacceptable. 6.Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are discouraged. Individuals who violate these guidelines will be contacted personally and asked to adhere to the guidelines. If an individual persists in violating the guidelines, the convenor of NANOG, Merit Network, Inc., will take action to filter the offender's messages to the list. If groups of individuals persist in introducing topics that are outside the charter of NANOG, the convenor will send a request to the entire mailing list requesting adherence to the guidelines. If the discussion continues unabated, the convenor will take action to filter all postings on the topic. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by Warwick GLENDENNING 13 Oct '98

13 Oct '98

Its not a problem for the University as such but those distals buying traffic from us who currently have NZgate address blocks. As yes we make very good use of our class B address. Regards Warwick *********************************************************************** Warwick Glendenning NZCE REA Dip.Mgt.St. Network Services Manager Information and Technology Services University of Waikato Private Bag 3105 Hamilton, NZ Tel:07-8384363 Fax:07-8384066 mobile: 025-356121 email:warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Andy Linton Sent: Wednesday, 14 October 1998 15:17 To: Warwick GLENDENNING Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ Warwick GLENDENNING wrote: > > I disagree as an end customer of the ISP's and currently planning to migrate > to Clear I would prefer to see a migration period of 3 months. > > Regards > Warwick > Surely the University of Waikato has it's own /16 prefix from the "good old days" (tm) and as such won't be affected by the above problems. If they have space over and above that then they should be encouraged to get dispose of that ASAP. -- Mailto:Andy.Linton(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZGATE addressing within NZ
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 13 Oct '98

13 Oct '98

Hi. > I have prepared a VERY DRAFT paper in an attempt to clarify the situation > regarding IP addresses delegated historically by NZGATE, and to describe > one possible approach for bringing the current situation into line with > current policies of provider-based addressing. I must say i'm slightly confused about the rationale here. Has Telecom issued a "renumber or move to us decree"? Or is it just that they are advertising the NZGATE CIDR blocks? If they are pushing "renumber or move to us" then we should seek a legal opinion on the matter. I sincerely doubt that where a class C was issued to an NZ company with the understanding that they could move providers (and many were as this was accepted practice in 1994), that Telecom could claim any right of use whatsoever. >From the client's point of view, the restrictions suggested on the use of NZGATE addresses are not a good thing. Many of these addresses were assigned before provider based addressing was in vogue, and it's seems strange now that we should attempt to impose these restrictions and force renumbering (on moves) on networks which may wish to use NZGATE addresses in the provider independent fashion in which they were issued (a fair percentage of NZ companies connected to the Internet in NZ in 1995 had their own class C for the sole purpose that could take it with them). It is not a myth that rights or ownership _of_use_ of a Class C issued via Waikato in 1994 belongs to the company to whom it was issued. This was standard practice at the time. I'm not aware of US or European IP addresses that were, subsequent to the introduction of provider based addressing, forcibly aggregated under a single provider, nor had the conditions on which routing would be allowed revoked. The current practice of portability of NZGATE addresses is fair and fits with international practice. Any attempt by Telecom or a consortium of ISPs to limit portability is not a good thing, even if current practice now is for IP addresses to be most often issued in a non-portable fashion. To sumarise: 1) provider based addressing was not widely practiced in 1994. 2) companies obtained class C's from Waikato in that and subsequent years with the understanding that they were portable. 3) there were no distinctions between which addresses were in provider blocks and which weren't in those early years. 4) now that we have provider based addressing, it does not make sense to assume that all the old IP addresses belong to a particular provider. 5) now that we have provider based addressing, it does not make sense to impose any new limitations on IP addresses obtained earlier. Such addresses may easily require the same portability as is now required of provider blocks. 6) Neither Telecom's (alleged) ideas nor the draft's suggestions fit accepted international practice for historically assigned IP addresses. -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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