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Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower
by Tim Hoffman 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

>From memory you have to be in the location in order to request it be added. Closest I have a node where I am now days is Sydney.... --Hoff Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Dean Pemberton <dean(a)deanpemberton.com> wrote: > > Sounds like your hand up to me Hoff :) > >> On Monday, June 16, 2014, Tim Hoffman <tim(a)hoffman.net.nz> wrote: >> If someone could make some effort to get all the facilities people peer at in Auckland registered in peeringdb, this would also help! >> >> Last I looked sky was the only one in there, and I added mayoral. But getting Kingston, 220Q, and the various DCs in there too would be of great use.... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:56 PM, McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Using PeeringDB like the rest of the Internet would be best. You could introduce a peering track/BOF into the NZNOG conference or get a lightning talk on how to use peeringdb? >>> >>> Macca >>> >>> >>> From: Dean Pemberton <dean(a)deanpemberton.com> >>> Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:54 AM >>> To: Jamie Baddeley <jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz> >>> Cc: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au>, nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >>> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower >>> >>> Good feedback Jamie. >>> >>> Not knowing where people are is a criticism I've heard a number of times now. >>> >>> Most recently from a large content delivery network operator who went to the Peering DB and struggled to find any info on NZ ASNs. >>> >>> I think we're past people keeping their pop locations a secret. >>> Would something like a meet-me location web page, or a primer on how to use the Peering DB for the same purpose be useful to people? >>> 'Peering socials' are held at other overseas meetings and they might be a good use for some nznog conference time. >>> >>> Essentially operators get up on stage. Present a slide on where they are located and what their peering policy is. This is then followed by beer to allow deals to be made. >>> >>> Seems to me that enough people saying 220 queen at one of these events might just get some traction. >>> >>> Could even get some colo operators along. >>> >>> On Monday, June 16, 2014, Jamie Baddeley <jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz> wrote: >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> Citylink have been in the process of refreshing it's core infrastructure over the last few months. The big nodes for us in Auckland are Kingston and 220 Queen for many of the reasons that folks have already outlined. That's not to say Sky Tower is not important to us - it's just got different (ahem) qualities. So from Citylink's perspective 220 Queen is good. The sales guys tell me there's a bit of space at Kingston too. >>> >>> Having said that we're always focussed on making the APE a distributed exchange point so in reality it shouldn't really matter where you are (inside the footprint of course). I guess you'd just need to weigh up whether being able to shop around for colocation and all of it's associated costs and the benefits that brings vs the cost of APE connectivity. Simply put we think the cost of making the wrong choice for colocation will outweigh any APE stuff. >>> >>> Others have mentioned Mayoral Drive too. Falling out of the NZNOG conference this year was a message to get APE in there. We're working on that. Because we try to keep the cost of delivery low, we're having to be a little creative - essentially allowing us to set up crossconnects from an APE switch inside the site when we've been hosted by a 3rd party. Last time I spoke to someone at Chorus about this they said it wouldn't be until October until they could get into that. >>> >>> Others have also mentioned a cost difference that is largely there for historical reasons. Citylink are actually looking at normalising the pricing across the APE to make it fairer for everyone. That's inline with our aim to have a distributed IXP so that it really doesn't matter where you are. >>> >>> It'd be neat to see a list of locations around Auckland and who is where. That'll help us to make sure the APE is where you need it to be. >>> >>> Cheers > > > -- > Regards, > > Dean >

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Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower
by McDonald Richards 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

Using PeeringDB like the rest of the Internet would be best. You could introduce a peering track/BOF into the NZNOG conference or get a lightning talk on how to use peeringdb? Macca From: Dean Pemberton <dean(a)deanpemberton.com<mailto:dean(a)deanpemberton.com>> Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:54 AM To: Jamie Baddeley <jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz<mailto:jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz>> Cc: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au<mailto:McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au>>, nznog <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Good feedback Jamie. Not knowing where people are is a criticism I've heard a number of times now. Most recently from a large content delivery network operator who went to the Peering DB and struggled to find any info on NZ ASNs. I think we're past people keeping their pop locations a secret. Would something like a meet-me location web page, or a primer on how to use the Peering DB for the same purpose be useful to people? 'Peering socials' are held at other overseas meetings and they might be a good use for some nznog conference time. Essentially operators get up on stage. Present a slide on where they are located and what their peering policy is. This is then followed by beer to allow deals to be made. Seems to me that enough people saying 220 queen at one of these events might just get some traction. Could even get some colo operators along. On Monday, June 16, 2014, Jamie Baddeley <jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz<mailto:jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz>> wrote: Hi Guys, Citylink have been in the process of refreshing it's core infrastructure over the last few months. The big nodes for us in Auckland are Kingston and 220 Queen for many of the reasons that folks have already outlined. That's not to say Sky Tower is not important to us - it's just got different (ahem) qualities. So from Citylink's perspective 220 Queen is good. The sales guys tell me there's a bit of space at Kingston too. Having said that we're always focussed on making the APE a distributed exchange point so in reality it shouldn't really matter where you are (inside the footprint of course). I guess you'd just need to weigh up whether being able to shop around for colocation and all of it's associated costs and the benefits that brings vs the cost of APE connectivity. Simply put we think the cost of making the wrong choice for colocation will outweigh any APE stuff. Others have mentioned Mayoral Drive too. Falling out of the NZNOG conference this year was a message to get APE in there. We're working on that. Because we try to keep the cost of delivery low, we're having to be a little creative - essentially allowing us to set up crossconnects from an APE switch inside the site when we've been hosted by a 3rd party. Last time I spoke to someone at Chorus about this they said it wouldn't be until October until they could get into that. Others have also mentioned a cost difference that is largely there for historical reasons. Citylink are actually looking at normalising the pricing across the APE to make it fairer for everyone. That's inline with our aim to have a distributed IXP so that it really doesn't matter where you are. It'd be neat to see a list of locations around Auckland and who is where. That'll help us to make sure the APE is where you need it to be. Cheers jamie On 16 June 2014 12:08, McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','McDonald.Richards(a)vocus.com.au');>> wrote: I would think 220 Queen Street would be the logical one for that reason? The bar is set pretty high for entry into Mayoral Drive… Macca From: Tony Wicks <tony(a)wicks.co.nz> Date: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:05 AM To: 'Simon Allard' <Simon.Allard(a)team.orcon.net.nz> Cc: 'nznog' <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower If there is going to be a realistic alternative site it needs to cater to the smaller “community cabinet” customers and have a connect via whatever method suits you attitude. Mayoral drive is the polar opposite of this. From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Simon Allard Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 12:00 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Mayoral Drive Exchange seems to be the other place to be, but Citylink have no POP there, which is a shame. From:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 11:46 a.m. To: Joel Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Power event in sky tower Sounds like a good suggestion. Citylink? Care to comment? And yes, everyone is there today... but if you want things to change then you do need to start a process. Whats a better place in Auckland which we could start to work towards? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joel <joel(a)hd.net.nz> wrote: Someone from Citylink may like to confirm what I have said. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz');> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Regards, Dean

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APNIC Survey 2014 - Your Views Matter
by Elly Tawhai 12 Jun '14

12 Jun '14

________________________________________________________________________ APNIC Survey 2014 - Your Views Matter ________________________________________________________________________ Hi NZNOG Community, The APNIC Survey 2014 is now available and is open from 11 June - 11 July 2014. http://survey.apnic.net APNIC runs the Survey every two years to ensure we are meeting the needs and wishes of our Members and those who use APNIC services. Your views are extremely valuable to APNIC. The results of the Survey help guide the future direction of the organization. The Singapore Internet Research Center (SIRC) is conducting the Survey and they will provide an analysis of the data and a survey report to APNIC. The survey is anonymous, and no identifying information will be made available to APNIC. Special Early Bird competition ------------------------------ All participants who complete the APNIC Survey 2014 will have a chance to win a prize. An additional Early Bird prize will give those who complete the Survey by 17 June at 23:59 (UTC +10) another chance to win either a Samsung Galaxy TabPRO 10.1 (16GB, 4G) or an Apple iPad Mini (Retina 16GB, 4G). Take the APNIC Survey 2014 now! http://survey.apnic.net We thank you for your continued support of APNIC. Kind regards, Elly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Elly Tawhai email: elly(a)apnic.net Senior Internet Resource Analyst/ sip: elly(a)voip.apnic.net Liaison Officer(Pacific), APNIC phone: +61 7 3858 3188 http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join us for APNIC 38 Brisbane. Visit - http://conference.apnic.net/38

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Call for papers - NZNOG 2015
by Richard Nelson 11 Jun '14

11 Jun '14

Doing something interesting in the Internetworking space? Submit an NZNOG conference paper and you could win a trip to the next APRICOT meeting in Bangkok Thailand! -------- The NZNOG organising committee invites papers for its 13th annual conference, to be hosted at the Distinction Hotel, Rotorua, New Zealand from 26 - 30th January 2015. There will the three day Workshops 26 – 28 January, a day of tutorials on 28 January with the main conference on 29 – 30 January. The best local conference paper as judged by the trustees in association with the programme committee will win a trip to APRICOT 2015, to be held jointly with APAN 39 in Fukuoka, Japan, from February 24th to March 6th 2015. Umm that’s right, an all[1] expenses paid trip to JAPAN!!!! It's a real thing. Two people have won this in previous years and to be honest they seemed pretty happy with the prize. Conference objective: The NZNOG conference, workshops and tutorials are a once-a-year opportunity for individuals and organisations involved in Internet operations to meet and share the latest in Internet operations, technologies practices and receive high quality training. The event is unique in New Zealand and attracts technical, skilled individuals with a genuine interest in Internet operations and Internetworking technologies. Submit a paper: Presenters are invited to submit abstracts of their paper for consideration by Monday 20th October. Abstracts should be no more than one page long and provide a summary of your networking-related subject matter. Please note that full slide decks will be required by 17th November. To submit your paper please e-mail: talks(a)nznog.org When considering a presentation, remember that the NZNOG audience is mainly comprised of technical network operators and engineers with a wide range of experience levels from beginners to multi-year experience. There is a strong orientation to offer core skills and basic knowledge in SIGs and to address issues relevant to the day-to-day operations of ISPs and network operators in the conference sessions. Note: The inclusion of a title, bio, topic, abstract, and slides with proposals is not compulsory but will help us determine the quality of your proposal and increase the likelihood it will be accepted. The organising committee will evaluate proposals based on fit with the conference’s objective and its ability to stimulate lively discussions around the current state of New Zealand networking. The best local paper will be judged by a selection of the trustees and the programme committee. It will be expected the best paper is submitted by the winner for presentation at APRICOT. More details on paper submission can be found at http://www.nznog.org/call-for-papers For more information about the conference visit www.nznog.org or contact: talks(a)nznog.org [1] where 'all' means Return Flights, Accommodation and Conference Fees. You still need to pay for things like food and entertainment. Most of what you need to eat/drink is covered in the conference though. We're also open to cases of special needs should you win. --------

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ALL GOLD SPONSOR SLOTS FILLED: Re: NZNOG2015 Sponsorship update: Platinum sponsor announcement and opportunity to be the last GOLD sponsor
by Dean Pemberton 11 Jun '14

11 Jun '14

Well that was quick... And the last GOLD sponsor for the 2015 conference is: "AS45177 - Vibe Communications" Thanks guys! Silver and Community spots are still available at the 2014 price. I've also had some queries about the Bandwidth Sponsor. We'll be doing that as part of a separate process which I'll announce soon. It's just too important to leave up to a first come first served thing. You would all kill me if we got the network wrong. Regards, Dean On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Dean Pemberton <nznog(a)deanpemberton.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've got some more information regarding the conference. This one > concerns sponsorship, so if you're a company who generally sponsors > NZNOG tune in. If I interrupted you from BGP config, then as you > were. > > As part of feedback from sponsors in previous years, we've made some > changes to the way that the NZNOG conference sponsorship packages are > structured. > > 1) We've limited the numbers at the top end. Sponsors were concerned > that they were only 'one of many'. We've limited the number of slots > to: > > Platinum: 1 slot > Gold: 3 slots > Silver: 5 slots > Community: 6 shots > > We've also kept slots for things like "Networking Drinks" "Conference > Dinner" and "Bandwidth Sponsor" so people can tailor what they want > to support. > > Once the slots are filled however, thats it until the following year. > We will be running tier wait-lists on a first come, first served > basis. Which brings us to.... > > > 2) In the following year. Existing sponsors will be given first > right of refusal for their sponsorship spots. AusNOG works this way > and the feedback from sponsors was that it allowed them a greater > ability to plan ahead. There will be a cut off date within which the > existing sponsor can re-confirm. If they don't then the spot will be > offered to the next company on the wait-list for that tier. > > 3) We're also lifting the dollar amount for each of the sponsor tiers. > > Phew, Thats out the way. > > So under those new guidelines, the trustees approached the 2014 > conference sponsors and offered them first preference at the slots. > > I'm happy to say that we've filled our PLATINUM sponsor slot this year > with a long time supporter... > > ******* Go Wireless NZ Ltd. ******* > > Thanks to Dale and his team for continuing to be a great supporter of NZNOG. > > We've also filled all but one of our allocated GOLD sponsor slots with > > Vocus > Citylink. > > So there's only one more Gold slot left. We're also running an early > bird special. If you confirm NZNOG2015 sponsorship slots before the > 31st of July, we'll invoice you at the 2014 rate rather than the new > 2015 rate. For GOLD this is a 50% saving! > > So if you're an organisation who would like that GOLD spot, now is the > time to make that commitment. > > > You can download the sponsor document here (http://goo.gl/mdhu6p) and > email sponsorship(a)nznog.org to register your interest. > > See you all at the conference! > > Regards, > Dean

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NZNOG2015 Sponsorship update: Platinum sponsor announcement and opportunity to be the last GOLD sponsor
by Dean Pemberton 11 Jun '14

11 Jun '14

Hi Everyone, I've got some more information regarding the conference. This one concerns sponsorship, so if you're a company who generally sponsors NZNOG tune in. If I interrupted you from BGP config, then as you were. As part of feedback from sponsors in previous years, we've made some changes to the way that the NZNOG conference sponsorship packages are structured. 1) We've limited the numbers at the top end. Sponsors were concerned that they were only 'one of many'. We've limited the number of slots to: Platinum: 1 slot Gold: 3 slots Silver: 5 slots Community: 6 shots We've also kept slots for things like "Networking Drinks" "Conference Dinner" and "Bandwidth Sponsor" so people can tailor what they want to support. Once the slots are filled however, thats it until the following year. We will be running tier wait-lists on a first come, first served basis. Which brings us to.... 2) In the following year. Existing sponsors will be given first right of refusal for their sponsorship spots. AusNOG works this way and the feedback from sponsors was that it allowed them a greater ability to plan ahead. There will be a cut off date within which the existing sponsor can re-confirm. If they don't then the spot will be offered to the next company on the wait-list for that tier. 3) We're also lifting the dollar amount for each of the sponsor tiers. Phew, Thats out the way. So under those new guidelines, the trustees approached the 2014 conference sponsors and offered them first preference at the slots. I'm happy to say that we've filled our PLATINUM sponsor slot this year with a long time supporter... ******* Go Wireless NZ Ltd. ******* Thanks to Dale and his team for continuing to be a great supporter of NZNOG. We've also filled all but one of our allocated GOLD sponsor slots with Vocus Citylink. So there's only one more Gold slot left. We're also running an early bird special. If you confirm NZNOG2015 sponsorship slots before the 31st of July, we'll invoice you at the 2014 rate rather than the new 2015 rate. For GOLD this is a 50% saving! So if you're an organisation who would like that GOLD spot, now is the time to make that commitment. You can download the sponsor document here (http://goo.gl/mdhu6p) and email sponsorship(a)nznog.org to register your interest. See you all at the conference! Regards, Dean

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Alcatel-Lucent/Nuage 7850 - Nethui Opportunity to Play
by Joel Wirāmu Pauling 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

Hi all, I will be up at NetHui and have my hands on a somewhat desirable piece of SDN kit. Namely the ALU 7850. In a nutshell it's an SDN targeted switch 96Ports of 10G+/40G QSFP in a 1U rack, talks openflow, and also has a bunch of Controller stuff courtesy of Nuage.It is designed to act as the Datacentre to Carrier gateway, but it's just a fairly neat piece of hardware. I've had it on my desk for a while and would quite like some SDN boffins who have some use cases to have a poke around with it. Would be very interested in seeing some inter-op with some existing OpenFlow kit. Anyone interested in having a play at Nethui/Intac please let me know in advance. If I get no takers then I probably will avoid lugging it up to Auckland. Kind regards -Joel

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Netflix/Verizon battle heats up
by Tony Wicks 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/netflix-refuses-to-comply-with-ve rizons-cease-and-desist-demands/ This is really interesting in how it relates to the active de-peering of New Zealand's two largest ISP's 10+ years ago. We still have the situation where the gang of two demand paid peering and everyone just has to accept it as a fact. I am guessing that just as the gang of two have installed Akamai and Google caches they will install Netflix (and Hulu?) caches once these guys pry some content rights off Sky, but it is still quite incredible that the existing streaming providers (I assume) need to pay to deliver this content only to these two providers as they are big enough to strong arm them.

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Tools for automatically summarising CIDR notation list?
by Neil Gardner 06 Jun '14

06 Jun '14

My Google-fu has failed me. It defies logic that there aren’t tools (application, Excel based or online) which will take a list of CIDR formatted prefixes and spit out an optimally summarised list also in CIDR notation. I however, can’t find them. Neither can my friends. I have seen an excel sheet which almost does it, but it requires significant manual interaction and I think it relies on zero point energy and/or wizards magic to work… and I don’t understand it well. Any pointers? And no, doing it in my head isn’t feasible J Cheers – Neil G

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Exciting program confirmed for the 2014 InTAC Conference
by Dean Pemberton 05 Jun '14

05 Jun '14

Hi Everyone. This is a plug for the 2014 Internet Technical Architecture Conference. The program has just been finalised and we've got some exciting speakers. InTAC is on the first day of the NetHui conference on the 9th of July at SkyCity in Auckland. It is pitched at people in a technical architecture role and has a theme of looking at emerging technologies and how these can help shape the architecture of the New Zealand Internet. Registration for the event is free and can be done via the NetHui registration system (http://nethui.org.nz/) This year the conference has three themes with the following speakers: ***Future-Proof Networking*** "Software Defined Networking at RMIT" Paul Zanna - Senior Manager, Infrastructure Innovation and Design Information Technology Services (ITS) RMIT University, Melbourne Australia RMIT has recently developed and deployed a proof of concept network using SDN and OpenFlow technologies. Paul will present the high level details of this real-world pilot along with some of the business drivers which helped RMIT make such a decision. "Panel - Our Future Plans for making use of UFB" Some of the largest users of the UFB network give us an insight into the sorts of ways they are using it. The panel will then discuss how they would like to see the UFB network develop to ensure that it continues to meet the needs of New Zealanders into the next decade. Panelists: Dave Mill - Network Specialist - Inspire Net Simon Allard - Senior Network Architect - Orcon David Redmore - Head of Broadband and Internet - Telecom New Zealand Geoff D’Audney - Technology Leadership Team - Vodafone New Zealand Others TBC ***Security*** "Future Uses of DNSSEC" Geoff Huston - Chief Scientist - APNIC Geoff will take a look at both DNSSEC deployment as well as the benefits which the technology will enable. Technologies like DANE which would allow organisations to take control of generating their own SSL certificates and publishing them in DNS, without the need for Certification Authority" "RPKI - How to stop your network being hijacked" New Zealand Registry Services (NZRS) will present an overview of this emerging technology as well as some of the work they will be doing to promote its deployment locally "TICSA - What it means for network architects" With the Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Act 2013 now a reality it is critically important that network architects are aware of their legislative obligations. Representatives from the National Cyber Security Centre will present their view of how the reporting requirements of the act effect network architecture decisions. ***Authentication*** "Architecting an Authenticated/Trusted Internet" Richard Foy - General Manager, Digital Transformation, Department of Internal Affairs Richard is responsible for leading the push for New Zealanders to be able to complete their transactions with government easily in a digital environment. His goal is to open the way to an average of 70 per cent of New Zealanders' most common transactions with government being completed in a digital environment by 2017. He will present his vision of an Authenticated, Trusted Internet "2FA, been there done that" Adam Fier - Architecture and Security Manager - Victoria University of Wellington Adam has worked for a number of organisations who have implemented 2 Factor Authentication both internally and externally. He will present some of his experiences with deploying 2FA systems along with his view on the importance of 2FA in today's network connected organisations" -- Dean Pemberton Technical Policy Advisor InternetNZ +64 21 920 363 (mob) dean(a)internetnz.net.nz To promote the Internet's benefits and uses, and protect its potential.

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