I am hoping someone else may be able to throw some light on a situation I am a little hot under the collar about. My daughter lives in Albert St, Palmerston North. Her partner received a call from an un-named (still don't know who sorry) telecommunications company stating that Telecom had had numerous complaints from residents in the street about the quality of the telephony and data services provided by Telecom. This company claimed to be working with Telecom to resolve the issues and they would be taking over the management of my daughter's services. The account would remain with Telecom but they, that is my daughter should notice an improvement in their services. NB: No authority or approval to take any action was given. A call to the Telecom Help Desk immediately after asking whether there had been complaints seemed to suggest that there had been giving some credibility to the cold call. Some days later, no telephone and no ADSL. A call to Telecom resulted in their being told the line and DSL service was in the process of being transferred to another provider. Who to ? Sorry we can't tell you that. Why not ? The works order is not complete and we still can't tell you. I didn't authorise any transfer, sorry we still can't tell you. So after 4 days, there is still no service. I called Telecom tonight, on my daughter's behalf and didn't fair much better. Apparently, this is not an isolated case and they are trying to sort out a number of accounts. We have been promised that no re-connection fee will apply and that there will be a credit for the days with no service. NB: There has been no formal communication from the supposed new provider at all just a single cold call. I concerned that a company had access to all the Telecom account details, i.e. account holder etc. Was able to initiate a transfer of both the telephony service and the DSL without any authority and that Telecom are unable/not permitted to tell the account holder who the service is going to or what is going on. Does this scenario found familiar to anyone ? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Glen and Rosanne Eustace, GodZone Internet Services, a division of AGRE Enterprises Ltd., P.O. Box 8020, Palmerston North, New Zealand 4446 Ph: +64 6 357 8168, Fax: +64 6 357 8165, Mob: +64 27 542 4015 "A Ministry specialising in providing low-cost professional Internet Services to NZ Christian Churches, Ministries and Organisations"
On 14/03/2011 7:44 p.m., Glen Eustace wrote:
Does this scenario found familiar to anyone ?
Slamming. Yes, it does sound familiar. Last time I looked into it, all the telcos involved blamed each other, and pointed finger at a process that appears inadequate to prevent these things. You can try http://www.tdr.org.nz/ to see if their complaints system will get you anywhere, but the slamming telco has to be a member of it. -- Juha Saarinen AMNZCS Twitter: juhasaarinen
Which, if it's the one I'm a thinking about, they are not... Also the TDR requires you first try to solve the problem with your telco, wait some time to have it resolved and then proceed through their process... Mauricio Freitas http://www.geekzone.co.nz http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm http://www.twitter.com/freitasm -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 8:06 p.m. To: Glen Eustace Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Telecommunications Scam On 14/03/2011 7:44 p.m., Glen Eustace wrote:
Does this scenario found familiar to anyone ?
Slamming. Yes, it does sound familiar. Last time I looked into it, all the telcos involved blamed each other, and pointed finger at a process that appears inadequate to prevent these things. You can try http://www.tdr.org.nz/ to see if their complaints system will get you anywhere, but the slamming telco has to be a member of it. -- Juha Saarinen AMNZCS Twitter: juhasaarinen _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On 03/14/2011 08:15 PM, Mauricio Freitas wrote:
Which, if it's the one I'm a thinking about, they are not...
Also the TDR requires you first try to solve the problem with your telco, wait some time to have it resolved and then proceed through their process...
I must give Telecom their due, they are trying to sort it out. But they have given a resolution time frame of about a week. Seems excessive to me when I can get DSL moved/provisioned in less than 24 hrs. But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Glen and Rosanne Eustace, GodZone Internet Services, a division of AGRE Enterprises Ltd., P.O. Box 8020, Palmerston North, New Zealand 4446 Ph: +64 6 357 8168, Fax: +64 6 357 8165, Mob: +64 27 542 4015 "A Ministry specialising in providing low-cost professional Internet Services to NZ Christian Churches, Ministries and Organisations"
But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info.
I think the main reasoning behind that is because of separation within
Telecom. The retail team are separate from the wholesale team, who are
really the only ones who have information regarding both providers. The two
separate parties just interface with them, who effectively proxy the
information. I may be wrong but I don't believe wholesale are end-customer
facing at all.
On 14 March 2011 20:35, Glen Eustace
On 03/14/2011 08:15 PM, Mauricio Freitas wrote:
Which, if it's the one I'm a thinking about, they are not...
Also the TDR requires you first try to solve the problem with your telco, wait some time to have it resolved and then proceed through their process...
I must give Telecom their due, they are trying to sort it out. But they have given a resolution time frame of about a week. Seems excessive to me when I can get DSL moved/provisioned in less than 24 hrs.
But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Glen and Rosanne Eustace, GodZone Internet Services, a division of AGRE Enterprises Ltd., P.O. Box 8020, Palmerston North, New Zealand 4446 Ph: +64 6 357 8168, Fax: +64 6 357 8165, Mob: +64 27 542 4015
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On 14 March 2011 20:58, Josh Farrelly
But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info.
I think the main reasoning behind that is because of separation within Telecom
You are spot on there. Wholesale(Chorus) are only given info about a job after it has been raised and processed by a retailer (be it t/com retail, orcon, whoever); the request for it to be raised can be from any retailer, each retailer has no idea which other retailer might be asking to raise a job at any moment in time. Wholesale get a job that says for instance "connect house X to DSLAM patch Y - for job ID XXXXX". all wholesale know is that there is a job and what they need to do. Tracking everything back requires matching retail side requests to wholeside jobs, and only certain bits of Telecom are allowed to do that. -JoelW
But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info. --
The Telecom ADSL service was with Telecom Retail.. And if a line has moved to a different provider then Telecom Retail will have no idea where it has moved to. Only that they lost the service. Only Telecom wholesale will know where the line has moved to but they are not allowed to Tell Telecom Retail. I (presume) there are processes involved when things like this happen and these processes take time. Things like this (it doesn't sound like it in this instance) can happen by mistake. Customers giving ISP's wrong numbers, wrong addresses even. Working at ISPs most of my adult life I've seen it all. I don't know if anyone has done this before but maybe going to the police and say "someone stole my phone number and adsl". I wouldn't blame (in first instance) any of the major ISP's. It may have been a reseller etc of an ISP and the ISP has no idea they now have your ADSL/Phone going thru them. Keep us up to date.. I (presume) a lot of people on here would love to know the full story (when you find out) Thanks Craig
Wasn't there a leak of Telecom's account information a while back?
I can't remember who was involved, but I think it was a telemarketing agency
for a competing ISP...
Thanks,
Leith Bade
leith(a)leithalweapon.geek.nz
On 14 March 2011 20:59, Craig Whitmore
But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info. --
The Telecom ADSL service was with Telecom Retail.. And if a line has moved to a different provider then Telecom Retail will have no idea where it has moved to. Only that they lost the service.
Only Telecom wholesale will know where the line has moved to but they are not allowed to Tell Telecom Retail.
I (presume) there are processes involved when things like this happen and these processes take time.
Things like this (it doesn't sound like it in this instance) can happen by mistake. Customers giving ISP's wrong numbers, wrong addresses even. Working at ISPs most of my adult life I've seen it all.
I don't know if anyone has done this before but maybe going to the police and say "someone stole my phone number and adsl".
I wouldn't blame (in first instance) any of the major ISP's. It may have been a reseller etc of an ISP and the ISP has no idea they now have your ADSL/Phone going thru them.
Keep us up to date.. I (presume) a lot of people on here would love to know the full story (when you find out)
Thanks Craig
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I think this is the news article:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/telecommunications/news/article.cfm?c_id=93&objectid=10700000&ref=rss
Surely Slingshot and that agency deleted all that info when the SFO
was called in?
You may want to ring the SFO tomorrow morning and let them know about this.
On 14/03/2011, Leith Bade
Wasn't there a leak of Telecom's account information a while back?
I can't remember who was involved, but I think it was a telemarketing agency for a competing ISP...
Thanks, Leith Bade leith(a)leithalweapon.geek.nz
On 14 March 2011 20:59, Craig Whitmore
wrote: But why the secrecy, if there is a rogue/cowboy out there, I WANT to know who it is. Surely the account holder should be able to be given the info. --
The Telecom ADSL service was with Telecom Retail.. And if a line has moved to a different provider then Telecom Retail will have no idea where it has moved to. Only that they lost the service.
Only Telecom wholesale will know where the line has moved to but they are not allowed to Tell Telecom Retail.
I (presume) there are processes involved when things like this happen and these processes take time.
Things like this (it doesn't sound like it in this instance) can happen by mistake. Customers giving ISP's wrong numbers, wrong addresses even. Working at ISPs most of my adult life I've seen it all.
I don't know if anyone has done this before but maybe going to the police and say "someone stole my phone number and adsl".
I wouldn't blame (in first instance) any of the major ISP's. It may have been a reseller etc of an ISP and the ISP has no idea they now have your ADSL/Phone going thru them.
Keep us up to date.. I (presume) a lot of people on here would love to know the full story (when you find out)
Thanks Craig
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-- Thanks, Leith Bade leith(a)leithalweapon.geek.nz
participants (7)
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Craig Whitmore
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Glen Eustace
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Joel Wiramu Pauling
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Josh Farrelly
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Juha Saarinen
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Leith Bade
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Mauricio Freitas